Infiltrated, But Unstoppable
Posted May 14th, 2008 by seadeus2
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I can not help but notice certain posts that appear to be intended to confuse or distract the Ron Paul Revolution. The one about there not being a Jesus comes to mind, but it is not the only one.
Was this posted by someone aware that the Reformation came before the American Revolution? It was not some random order of events. The American Revolution could not have happened without the Reformation. The Reformation refocused society toward a personal relationship with God, as opposed to a relationship with the Catholic Church as the intermediary. The natural progression was to greater appreciation for individual freedom.
When the supporters of Ron Paul are as aware of this connection as the opponents of Ron Paul apparently are, then the revolution will be unstoppable.
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You Don't Understand
While I try not to be offensive, to ask me to completely ignore my religion is like asking me to stop breathing. It cannot be done. My religion defines my view of the world and how I react to it. It was my religion that drew me to Ron Paul because the truth of his words resonated with the message of the Bible. It is, in fact, what has driven him to his own positions.
We need to all recognize that there is room under the umbrella of freedom for all of us. We should not use this issue to divide, but neither should we censor each other and thereby limit discussion.
To the Christians on this site, take care when pushing the gospel on those who do not want to hear it. Ron Paul is following the Biblical model of living the walk before talking the walk. Just as our nation should be a model for the rest of the world (read Ron Paul's book to understand this), we should strive to be an example of what a true Christian is to an unbelieving world. If they don't like what they see in our lives, why would they care to know what we believe?
It's people like you
who create bridges Khomar.
I am not Christian. I would never ask you to stop being Christian. This site was never meant to be a religious site. The fact that Ron is Christian doesn't turn Daily Paul into a de facto Christian site. I would be saying the same thing if he were Hindu, Atheist, Rastafarian, etc.
I'm just glad you found Ron, Khomar, however it came to be.
STOP!!!!
THE GOD DAMN RELIGION ON THIS SITE. FOCUS!!!! FOCUS!!! FOCUS!!! We need to move the agenda forward. God will not be doing this work. WE WILL!!!
"Pray to god, but row away
"Pray to god, but row away from the rocks." Hunter Thompson - UNSOURCED
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God works thru you
and you thru him.
God's telling me
We need to seperate politics and religion.
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
I take full credit for the...
JesusSchmeezus posting. I am backing off and am back on track doing what I am supposed to be doing here which is this which is as critical as gathering delegates:
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You are a true leader.
Stay on message. We all have our roles.
Why do we need posts about
Jesus here at all? Whether it is pro-Jesus or anti-Jesus.
Either way -- they are divisive and unproductive.
We all have our roles.
Respect that, if nothing else.
Our "role" here
is to dedicate ourselves to restoring Constitutional government to the United States of America.
Respect that, if nothing else.
No arguement here.
Now go out and teach humanity to those that chose not to exist.
What I choose to do
Is my choice.
Sorry, now go do what you have choosen to do.
FREEDOM
I say again...
Freedom is the message.
Not power. Not religion.
I find it amazing the people
I find it amazing the people who supposidly support Ron Paul on this website come in here and bash people for professing Christ and God almighty! Ron Paul is a devout Christian! and yet peopple who support him, bash God! Without God this Country dies! He comes first before EVERYTHING!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Ron Paul is also a Gynecologist.
But that doesn't mean that I'm going to run out and buy a speculum.
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Meistersinger, I've had a
Meistersinger,
I've had a very difficult day today... very frustrating and I've been pretty pissed off since this morning.
Thanks for the laff!!!
For Consideration
For those who are quick to condemn Christianity, I would like to point out something for consideration. When you look at Ron Paul's positions, his performance in public office, and his character, you find one thing that forms the foundation of his life: his faith. You cannot separate his character from his faith. It is the guiding principle in his life that has allowed him to lead an exemplary life.
It is true that there are many who use and abuse the name of Christ, but Ron Paul is a shining example of what is possible when you truly try to follow the precepts and instructions of the Bible. His honesty and integrity are deeply rooted in Biblical teachings. His view on the war and abortion hearken back to the sanctity of all human life (created in God's image), justice, and mercy. Read his book or listen to his speeches, and the values and Biblical references make their way in subtlety. He does not like to speak of it much, but you know it is there providing the foundation that he falls back to in difficult times.
Faith and conviction are very powerful tools that can help us through hard times. If you do not believe this, consider that it is our lack of conviction in the Constitution that has cause us to ignore its dictates at the exact times when they are most needed. The Bill of Rights were written to protect our rights in just a time as we are facing today in which it would seem expedient to suspend them for the "safety of the nation". Precepts and laws are not just written for the good times, but also for the times when we will be tempted to subvert them for selfish gain or security.
Faith in a righteous God whose laws are unchanging, whose love is infinite, and whose mercy touches every man, woman, and child -- this is precisely what keeps Ron Paul's ship anchored amidst a raging sea.
I'll agree with this...
Faith in a righteous God whose laws are unchanging, whose love is infinite, and whose mercy touches every man, woman, and child -- this is precisely what keeps Ron Paul's ship anchored amidst a raging sea.
The problem is that some confuse faith with christian faith. You can be very faithful to your beliefs and not be christian, after all.
That RP is a christian I've no issue with at all... to be honest, I think of him as an excellent example of what a Christian should be. He WALKS THE WALK, as it were.
That does not mean that other religions have less faithful followers.. or are somehow worse.
He as a christian advocates not ~grouping~ peoople... by skin color, or religious belief. He preaches that we should all be entitled to our own personal beliefs.
I wish more supporters could do the same.
Agreed
I worded my final words regarding faith somewhat generically for that very purpose, but I also wanted to point out that Ron Paul's Christian faith is where he personally draws his convictions and strength -- not to try to push Christianity, but rather to show the virtues that it contains.
I agree wholeheartedly that we should not try to group people. It is one of the great strengths of the Ron Paul Revolution and another thing that drew me to him. Instead of dividing people, his campaign seemed to bring them together. Instead of creating fear and hatred, he was inspiring hope. Instead of being filled with empty rhetoric and promises, he was offering real, honest solutions.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you, Devon, as my wife and I have enjoyed your posts over the past several months. Your posts are nearly always full of insight and wisdom. You are a welcome sight around here, and I am glad to see that you still hang around.
Amen Devon.
Nicely put.
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We all have our roles.
Don't take your eyes off the message. FREEDOM.
Religion is another example of
a dangerous purveyor of groupthink. This was the form that was chiefly used to instill desired concepts and 'principles' into the people before television and radio were invented. Since these media have a much wider audience than religion, they have supplanted it as the chief method of programming the populace. This is why you see less tolerance of religion in the governments nowadays, as far as they are concerned it is no longer needed.
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
Sounds good to me
Well, whatever the source of the concepts and principles of our forefathers...we certainly need to get back to them. What is the complaint of how people conducted themselves "before" television....sure beats the heck out of now. I'd take it anyday.
For example, during the 20's depression people were predominately moral...citizens were not getting raped, robbed, murdered, etc. People would come to your home and asked for work or for food to eat.
Won't be that way come the next depression...people have few morals...it will be dog eat dog.
So I don't really understand your description of how bad things were (from 1776 - about 1930) when people were "controlled by the government through religion"...???
I'd like some specific examples of that...
What erronous concepts were propogandized by the government to the people,
In what way did it control them, and
How did it damage early society in America?
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Slave owners certainly found lots of material in both the Old and New Testaments to justify that evil institution.
Lots of young men have been marched off to war for "God and Country."
What few Native Americans were left alive after the wars and plagues were forcibly re-educated in the Christian religion.
That seems like a good start...
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No problem
Slave owners rarely used the Bible to justify slavery...
I would say that the actual Bible was used more in the fight to eliminate Slavery than to defend it...you should study your history.
Man's religion is always close at hand when he is in battle...and facing death..you can't separate the two...that doesn't mean that every war is over or caused by "religion"...it's simply an integral part of man's life and death relationship.
As far as the Indians..it must not have taken...most of the Indians are not Christians...what happened??? And don't blame the Indian shame on "religion"...that was the result of pure white man greed.
Simply because things are interrelated does not mean they are the primary cause. Man's relationship to his environment (or his religion) will always be a factor in everything that transpires...that does not make it the dominating factor.
Again, when someone can illustrate to me that the decline in this country began with and grew more predominate as a result of and in proportion to increased religious control of the people, then I'll start looking at religion as an issue that needs to be addressed. Until then, I suggest such people are barking up the wrong tree and need to sniff around a little more...they got the wrong scent.
Simply beause things are not the primary cause
does not mean they are not interrelated, either. Your defense of religion for religion's sake is, in my view, illogical. Religion is, by and large, moral and just. BUT it also leaves many things open to wide interpretations, and those who preach it do not always stay strictly to the messages provided by holy texts. The chief example I always give is that of 'foul' language. By whose standard? Not that of the Word of God. The seven deadly words are not in the good book anywhere, or hadn't you noticed?
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
I'm not
defending religion for religion's sake...I simply do not find - nor has anyone presented, any observable evidence that religion has been a detrimental, or even a major, factor in the downfall of this country. Interpretations and what words are, or are not, included in what religous writings have nothing to do with my original question.
No One Can Illustrate It To You
...because you've already made up your mind.
Did it ever occur to you that the Native Americans who were forced into Christianity took on Christian names, taught Christianity to their children and eventually intermarried with European stock and therefore are no longer recognizable as Native Americans?
"Carlisle Indian Industrial School, (1879 - 1918), was an Indian Boarding School in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Founded in 1879 by Captain Richard Henry Pratt at a disused barracks in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. The so-called “noble experiment” was a failed attempt to forcibly assimilate Native American children into the culture of the United States."
Pratt’s founding principle for the Carlisle Indian Industrial School was to “Kill the Indian and save the man.” "Pratt saw his education program with the Native Americans as analogous to his domestication of wild turkeys". Apparently, he took a nest of wild turkey eggs to be mothered by his barnyard hen, and they became as assimilated as his best domesticated turkeys. They only needed, in Pratt's words, “the environment and kind treatment of domestic civilized life to become a very part of it." Pratt believed that the Native Americans should be totally uprooted from their tribal past in order to “achieve full participation.” In practice, this meant erasing, as much as possible, any trace of Native American customs, culture, language and religion from the children at the school.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
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Again
Are you actually claiming that "religion" was the motivating, the controlling, or the major factor in the horrendous treatment of the American Indian? If so..you need to study your history. Thank you for your school lesson, but I can assure you that the above situation does not even touch the top 100 horrendous acts done to the American Indians. It was the American government, not the missionaries, that should bear the blunt of the guilt. At least the missionaries were attempting to help, although misguided...through education, housing, clothing, skills, etc....The lying, thieving government knew full well what they were doing and did it anyway - with malice of forethought. So I suggest you look for another suspect to blame in the Indian saga instead of religion. I don't know how much the Indians mistrust the Church.. but I can assure you they don't trust the American government worth a d---.
And therefore, please find a better example of how "religion" has been a major contributor to the downfall of this country.
The Reformation helped to
The Reformation helped to usher in the American Revolution because Luther and Calvin showed people how to throw off a large portion of the manipulative mythology which the elite had used to keep them under control.
When the American people decide to throw off the remainder of that old, restrictive mythology, we will achieve real freedom for the first time.
Free yourself.
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.”
-- Albert Einstein in a newly discovered letter.
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What was the "large portion
What was the "large portion of ...mythology" you refer to that Luther/Reformation threw off?
The supremacy of the
The supremacy of the Catholic hierarchy, the practice of indulgences and such.
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no room for non-Christian Ron Paul supporters?
Another use of religion to divide when we need to be seeking COMMON ground. If we agree the Constitution is in danger, and we all want to save it, why can't we just let our other differences stand?
divide and conquer
the recurring theme in life and again here..i say we have room for everyone that believes in the movement to restore our Constitution and live our lives in peace and prosperity
Where's the Division?
There is no division. Whether or not you believe in God or how you practice your belief in God is your own business. Whether you will accept reality or deny it doesn't change the facts of history. The U.S. Constitution was written by Christians and made possible by the Christians that fought in the American Revolution because their Christian values required such action. Whether or not the United States returns to freedom will be determined by the Christians, period. I am certainly not blaming atheist for our problems, our problems are caused by Christians not understanding Christian values.
Christianity is the foundation of individual freedom, if you do not understand that then you do not understand Christianity. Maybe you are making a division where there is not one.
It is subtle
But I am here to solve a political problem, and you seem to feel it is a religious one, or at least has a heavy religious tone. I appreciate that you do not blame atheists for your problems, but there is a leap I see so often: I said I was non-Christian, and somehow that became "atheist." I opted for that "personal relationship" you alluded to - no clergy required. Makes me not Christian. Does not make me an athiest. Does not mean I believe it is Christians or Christ that will save us. I believe awakened people will save us, if anything can.
According to the Founding Fathers:
'The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
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Which one
of the founding fathers made that quote? Please give the name.
George Washington
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I don't think so...
Dig a little deeper...that is NOT a George Washington quote...nor did he sign the Treaty of Tripoli if that is to what you are referring...