Is Bobb Barr the anointed one to wreck The Ron Paul movement?

Otherwise, they wouldn't pay SillyBee and others to sit in here 24/7 on his behalf.

You don't see that kind of activity about Baldwin. A little sincere stuff here and there, but not like the Barr Campaign.

whatever, he cannot wreck it.

its about educating the people, he cannot stop that.

no one can stop it now. Not even ron paul.

Whether or not Barr was specifically chosen to wreck the movement, he could end up doing it anyway.

He has already split the Libertarian movement. He could split the Ron Paul Revolution, too.

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For anyone wondering about the mindset of our good buddy "BillyDee", the above is a direct quote (see exchange below).

Oh, and here's another BillyDee profundity: "Trust is Irrelevant". Again, a direct quote.

Here's one more:

"Only when someone has a realistic chance at becoming president does it matter if they're sincere or not."

Wow.... kinda makes you wonder about someone, especially when all they do is spam for Barr and websites like 'Paulites against truthers"
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN

Two weeks ago I would have dismissed this out of hand. I figured it was just the Libertarian party shooting itself in the foot again.

But in the past two weeks I have seen more MSM mentions of the "L" word than in the last five years. In fact I am holding in my hand exhibit "A", a clipping from a mainstream paper (maybe the WSJ - not sure cuz my Dad sent it to me). The little item is called "Notable & Quotable". It consists of two paragraphs of none other than St. Ronald Reagan himself saying "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."

There appears to me to be a serious MSM boost of the Libertarian Party going on.

However, I don't think the idea is to derail the Ron Paul R3volution. I think the idea is to draw off the traditional conservatives from the Republican party so Obama wins.

I did not vote for Barr on every one of the six ballots. I can't recall exactly, but I know I didn't vote for him on the first couple of ballots. I did vote for him on the last one.

I'm a maxed-out Ron Paul supporter. I'm certainly not plotting to stall the Ron Paul revolution. My state's primary was in February, but I've kept my RP yard sign up until now, anyway (changing it every 30 days to avoid breaking my city's sign ordinance). I was a precinct captain, too.

Going into the LP convention I had no idea who our nominee was likely to be. We have many hard-working campaigners and almost a dozen to choose from. I attended their debates the day before the vote.

My main concern was to make sure we elected someone we could be proud of as a defender of freedom, and someone that Ron Paul, himself, would prefer to vote for (whether or not he makes a public endorsement). Most of our candidates fit that description.

The LP targeted Barr when he was a Republican, and helped get him out of office because of his stance on the drug war (jailing addicts). Since then, he joined our party. His nominating speech was given by Rob Kampia of the Marijuanna Policy Project. Barr has been lobbying Congress for them.

If you think the folks on this forum get heated about issues, you have a taste of libertarians on issues. You can bet that he is cornered everywhere he goes and quized on his stances and his "conversion." The LP is called "The Party of Principle" for a reason, and we don't let people get away with inconsistency.

Barr spoke to my delegation and described being challenged on his past positions by delegates representing various pro-freedom interests from the Outright Libertarians (gay/lesbian, etc.) to the medical (and recreational) marijuanna users. He was challenged on the Patriot Act, the Defense of Marriage Act (which returns such matters to states), and others.

I found him to be credible when he said he had come to see the principle of freedom as it applies to all these issues. I believe that when a person begins to see how freedom is the answer, and how one must apply it equally to economic and personal issues, they will become more consistently libertarian. Barr appeared to me to be on this educational path with many of us in the revolution; learning and growing.

I don't agree with him (or RP, for that matter) 100% on everything, but I'm happy with Barr as a choice on the ballot far more than the non-Paul alternatives.

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I also felt that the big advantage to Barr is that his nomination 3 months prior to the GOP national convention sends a very strong message to the GOP to get their act together and start making concessions to the Ron Paul Republicans, or else lose their support to the LP. As a former Republican, Barr serves as an example to the GOP that they can and will lose support if they don't return to their roots in small government.

If we had nominated Mike Gravel, for example, it would not have helped Ron Paul at all. The GOP would have no reason to fear our small percentages if we were taking Gravel's support away from the Democrats. Our other candidates are not well known to the public and would surely have gotten much less press coverage.

When I see comments against Barr for his past positions or claiming he's a plant, I immediately suspect that this is an attempt to derail the freedom movement by sowing dissention in the ranks of the revolutionaries.

The powers that be are not worried that Ron Paul will get the nomination, they are fighting for their cushy jobs and government favors. They don't want the freedom movement to succeed, and so they try to divide us.

When Ron Paul and Bob Barr both appear on the ballot together in November, we will have to choose between them. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Until then, I'm just glad I don't have to vote for McCain, Obama or Clinton.

I'm pulling for those of you in the GOP, especially delegates, to do your best to promote Ron Paul to the GOP, but I'm satisfied that at least one promoter of freedom will be on the ballot after September.

IMissLiberty

and others when I think he is a well-meaning RP guy trying to lead in a new direction. Like peeling the RP bumper sticker off the Granny Warrior bus because it appears stalled and slapping it on the bumper of another bus heading in what appears to be the same direction. He argues that RP isnt a cult, that we need to make our own minds up. That is over simplifying. This election is about choosing a leader. I really think we need to solve this and damned fast. BillyDee is almost saying "hell...you dont even need to LIKE Bob Barr-even Barr knows he wont win- just VOTE for him and be heard as not wanting the other choices." I personally cannot bring myself to doing that. I do not want Barr as president so will not play the "protest " game in his name. My understanding is that in my state I can write in Ron Paul.If I find out that is not true- I will still go to the poll and write in Ron Paul. Because my hand needs to move in that direction. Ron Paul wants to be my president, Ron Paul is qualified to be my president, Ron Paul is running for president, my vote- counted or not- is for Ron Paul. I will go through the motions- however wasted, to vote my conscience- until Ron Paul "leads" me in a different direction. If Ron Paul endorses another candidate- he wont be taking that lightly and in all likelihood I will vote for THAT candidate after I do the research. There will likely be a day soon when RP adresses his supporters and gives us updated Constitution- based marching orders,until then in my mind the original orders stand- Vote Ron Paul.

I don't know if this is true, but I'm certain it won't work. Ron Paul supporters are in the *business* of spreading information, it's in our nature. There is really no way to stop it.

But I definitely don't trust Bob Barr. How can you trust someone who has changed his rhetoric so many times over? There is no way I vote for him.

That Tucker guy is a liar about the Trilateral Commission wanting to derail Dr. Paul. If you listen to the Alex Jones interview with him, when Jones pushed him on it he admitted that it wasn't part of the meeting but alleges that he simply overheard some people talking that were at the meeting.

(Go ahead and say it now. I'm being paid by the elites to say this, right? Take off the tin foil hat).

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/i...)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/wa...).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

well written article.

I almost didnt open this thread because of the title though!

I have a thought I keep close to my heart every day ..
"Ron Paul will win in the most spectacular way!!!"

We need our votes to be counted somewhere outside of the two parties. If we don't vote for Barr who will it be? Baldwin who is less known than both Paul and Barr? So if not Barr who Dr. Paul said is an "ally" who then? Are we doubting Dr. Paul's words? I'm not understanding all these posts attacking the people who advance the movement forward. If a miracle does not happen and Dr. Paul does not get nominated for something where do we go? I say we help everyone who advances the message and not attack anyone. How can we go forward? I will be donating to both Barr and Baldwin. They keep speaking the message.....I keep donating.

"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."

It is saying the same thing that has been said here. The goal to "de-fuse" the Revolution and take over the "momentum". Looks like it is pretty transparent to others other than just here. Thanks Sierra.

But I don't think anything can stop Dr. Paul if he gets on a clear course that we can get behind. Like---If RNC does not choose him, then go Independent with Jesse.

Ron Paul. He's running in the general election. Dr. Paul is not.

Barr was even behind the draft to try to get Paul to run 3rd party Libertarian. Barr chose to run because Paul declined the invitation.

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/i...)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/wa...).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

Barr's entry is no accident and serves multiple purposes. According to journalist James P. Tucker, Jr., for instance, attendees at an April 25-28 meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington , D.C. , made a determination to stop Republican candidate Dr. Ron Paul's momentum in stirring up a political “revolution.” (James P. Tucker, Jr., “Trilateral Commission: Global Elite Gather in D.C.,” Global Research, May 6, 2008)

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"The determination by the financial controllers that Obama is the anointed one may also be shown by the entry into the race of former Georgia congressman Bob Barr as the candidate of the Libertarian Party. Barr will siphon votes away from John McCain and make Obama's election a certainty, just as Ross Perot did with President George H.W. Bush in 1990, allowing the election to swing to pro-business Democrat Bill Clinton.

Barr's entry is no accident and serves multiple purposes. According to journalist James P. Tucker, Jr., for instance, attendees at an April 25-28 meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington , D.C. , made a determination to stop Republican candidate Dr. Ron Paul's momentum in stirring up a political “revolution.” (James P. Tucker, Jr., “Trilateral Commission: Global Elite Gather in D.C.,” Global Research, May 6, 2008)

Dr. Paul, who has been delivering the news that the Federal Reserve by which the bankers rule should be abolished, and that U.S. foreign policy based on military conquest of the world should end, has been causing, according to the Trilateralists cited by Tucker, “significant future damage.” Bob Barr will doubtless be awarded handsomely for his trouble in helping de-fuse Dr. Paul's movement."

But I hate seeing Barr name in your title. I would change the title to "The Elite anoint an opponent to wreck the Ron Paul movement. Just the name of Barr makes me want to pass over the thread. But since this was posted by Sierrahpbt, I decided to check the article. The article has so much in it, it really should not be missed.

Bobb Barr is part of the Paul movement. One does not have to be a clone of Ron Paul to be part of the movement for liberty and limited government. Though he's not a clone, he's pretty close. He is advocating a non-interventionist foreign policy, elimination of the income tax and the 16th amendment, and limited government. He has Dr. Paul's support, just as he supported Dr. Paul while he was running.