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Would the members of Daily Paul kindly answer this question?

How come a forum topic along the lines of "he said, she said" gets over 100 comments a day while something relevant and tangible like a heads-up regarding S1959 or a noteworthy petition go unnoticed and are hardly touched upon?

("Ideas are like romances. If you don't act on them they're nothing but WET DREAMS." -Theresa Napier)

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I think you should take this post

to the 'anything goes' thread!!

LOL

also, ROFLMAO

and, I amused myself and care not at all whether you were offended by it!!

and ha ha and all that

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

i don't participate in those

i don't participate in those posts (the he said she said ones). It's even unusual that I'm reading and commenting on this one since it really isn't very important and doesn't have anything to do with Ron Paul, etc.

It's a slow night.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. HELP ME.

I don't like it, but what can I do?

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

To parallel

a line or two from the end of Metal Gear Solid 2..a really trippy game that is actually about Globalism amoung other things....I would say:

Find something worth carrying into the future and fight for it. I can't tell you what that thing is.

for me

I take care of my activism and doing what I think is my part, but a little fun here at DP is a wonderful thing.

For what it is worth..

Here is my take on the problem.

As the RP campaign had setbacks the excitement diminished, fair-weather RP supporters left the site, and the demographics of the site changed.

The only people who were left were people who were "ardent" believers or had VERY strong feelings in or about something or someone.... Ron Paul, liberty, 9/11-truthers, chemtrails, the Illuminati, "Dr. Steve", polygamists, Bible-thumpers, atheists, etc. etc. etc.

Or.... people with a hidden agenda.

Now "True-Believers" tend to be a rather intolerant bunch. Years of being considered a "kook" by your acquaintances tends to make you even more fanatical when people question your beliefs, leading you to become even more vociferous in promoting your ideas, leading to more abrasive and abusive verbal behavior.... and a vicious cycle of intolerance and incivility sets in.

Add to that the fact that, yes, maybe this movement still scares the global fascists, not for what it is, but for what it could become. Maybe a multi-trillion dollar economy and world domination are a big enough prize to justify sponsoring an agent provocateur. His role would be to sew discord and maybe mislead the movement just enough to render it ineffective or, even worse, antagonistic to its necessary political base.
Such a person would not have to be particularly charismatic, especially if he had a few "cronies" to lend him credibility and fight his battles while he stayed largely above the fray.

When I first came on this site, it was in a transition. I was excited about the potential of the Freedom/Ron Paul movement and had real hope for the first time in a long time.

I spent HOURS crafting sincerely written, carefully crafted posts only to see them immediately get buried under an avalanche of semi-literate garbage. I had and posed what I thought were good questions and comments that were largely ignored.

Then one day I made a post about an email that my wife had received from one of the campaign staffers concerning delegate options at the national convention. I suddenly found myself viciously and personally attacked. I had my honesty questioned. I was accused of being a liar, infiltrator, and a mole.

At this point I had a choice, I could leave this site in disgust and leave it completely in the hands of the ignorant goons who had attacked me, or I could stay and fight for sanity and liberty. (Yes, I AM ALSO a fanatic and a "True-Believer"!)

Like attendees at a party with a group of obnoxious drunks, after awhile the crowd starts to thin out leaving only the obnoxious drunks, the host, and his closest friends, and party fanatics with nowhere else to go.

That is our situation today. DP is a ghost of its former self, which suits certain factions just fine.

I really do hope that They ignore this post, but I am afraid they won't. After all its their job.

All true but...

"Now "True-Believers" tend to be a rather intolerant bunch. Years of being considered a "kook" by your acquaintances tends to make you even more fanatical when people question your beliefs, leading you to become even more vociferous in promoting your ideas, leading to more abrasive and abusive verbal behavior.... and a vicious cycle of intolerance and incivility sets in."

I disagree. There are many true believers here and not all are abrasive or abusive. It's all about personalities. Some people are the way they are for no apparent reason.

BTW, don't go anywhere. You have too much to offer.

Thanks

and I knew that my generalizations would miss the mark on some.
Just my obsession with psychoanalysis.
No, I won't be going to leave any site with this many good patriots.

After all, God was going to spare Sodom and Gomorrah if he could find even a handful of righteous men, why would I be harder to please?

Post of the night.

Thank you Spacehabitats.. both for the time involved in typing the post and your thoughts behind it.

:)

Thanks also.

and you are welcome.

Romancing the Stone Walls

What irony. I always enjoy your Spacey take on things. ;-) Sorry I missed this thoughtful thread when it first came out. I have been off pouting about a Flag Monkey biting into the dust an esoteric tangential thread on signs and symbols which, for a time, occupied some of my attention.

As a gesture of one hand clapping… let us each Try Harder:

http://www.lewrockwell.co...

We Were Not Ready

by J. L. Bryan
by J.L. Bryan

Dedicated to Dr. Ron Paul and R3volutionaries Everywhere

We were not ready.

He offered us an empty hand.
An open and honest hand, concealing nothing.
No blade behind the fingers.
No magic, no artful coin tricks,
To dazzle and distract us.
We were not ready.

His words, plain and spare as Texas flatland.
The one who does not lie
Has no need of honey
To sweeten a viper tongue.
He promised all he could give,
And all that we needed,
Which was nothing.
We were not ready.

He stood amid the crashing towers
Of a falling empire,
And suggested we stand aside
And let them fall.
He told us we have no need
Of playing gods, kings or conquerors.
We are only men and women,
Like all men and women,
And that is enough.
We were not ready.

He would have led us nowhere,
Our nonsavior, our uncrusading anti-emperor,
Freeing us at last from this weary, aimless march.
Emptying the prisons and the battlefields,
Leaving each man to his own life.
We were not ready.

His fight was for peace.
His revolution was for love.
His doctrine was free humanity.
His highest law was liberty.

By following his nature,
He exposed the hordes of liars.
False priests of all factions
Have lost their flocks.

The heart knows the truth,
Though it roils the mind.
Now that we have heard, how could we forget?
How could we accept the old familiar lies?

He awoke a hunger
No illusion can quench.
He did not need us,
But we needed him.

We are not gods or kings or conquerors,
Only men and women, like all men and women.
What has begun cannot be stopped.
The truth, once heard, cannot be unheard.

The newborn Revolution, decentralized and protean,
Shifts form, grows stronger, spreads its wings.
We have played the game their way.
Now, we begin to play it ours.

One day, we will be ready.

May 17, 2008

J. L. Bryan [send him mail] is a freelance writer.

Copyright © 2008 LewRockwell.com

Because

We are on overload. There are so many important issues on the table that we cannot wrap our heads around all of it. We have to have a lot of relax time in order to attack the important issues. The time around our election was so intense, I wasn't sure I was going to hold myself together.
This movement has taught me more in over a year than in my whole life really. DP is mostly responsible for that.

It has

been a necessary learning experience for all.

"This movement has taught me more in over a year..."

I feel the same way.

Got to do with all talk...no

Got to do with all talk...no action.

This phenomena is due to talk radio--Limbag and Insannity.

Somehow, they've managed to convince their audience--'republicans' that they are doing some sort of civic duty...by calling in, running their mouths, and then listening '3 hours a day.'

Notice how neither of them...rarely ever advise any action....political activitism is now reaaaaaal easy.

Yeah. Someone once said that

Yeah. Someone once said that when Americans complain, they think they have done their duty.

Keeping our freedom takes work and maybe some sacrifice. Not everyone is up to it.
www.givemeliberty.org/rev...

The poster is talking about YOU and the rest of the Bump Monkeys

KEEP THIS BUMPED - IMPORTANT !!!

I don't think those things go unnoticed

I think it's because the more controversial a subject, the more comments it will get. I think we're all on board with the S1959 issue.

The DP is successful

because it is filled with a wide variety of topics that touches a nerve with us.
I go to the Ron Paul posts first then to whatever else that interests me.
Peace

Walden, I don't get it either...

funny thing is, this post has already gotten more comments than your original post on S1959 too. Go figure. Maybe we are all just sick of it, and feeling quite helpless that nothing seems to get done either way. I bet if we had a way to see how many people actually read the post as opposed to commented on it, it might make you feel a little better. I think we all are getting very frustrated...and just want to be heard by somebody! Makes me feel like screaming!
BTW, I did post on the S1959 subject, just took me a while to think about it.

We need to unite. Take

We need to unite. Take responsibility for our Government and Constitution. Get to work and participate in our America. Need to do it more.
www.givemeliberty.org/rev...

Frustration is

key to all this I suppose. Never would have (laughing at myself as I type this) "Googled Ron Paul" had it not been for a painfully obvious, to myself anyways, lack of care from our government in all manner of issues.

So yes, after 7-8 months of beating the streets, signwaving, donations, forums, live chats, flyers, stickers, blimps, parades, pictures, youtubes, NWO's, 9/11 truth, and reading and reading and reading...

AND giving up smoking to pay an extra $10 bucks a week to RP...I can definely relate to the level of frustration in the Revolution, but I insist that we have to make positive forward movement, avoid the potholes, and roll on! Like a D&D dork on drugs. Like an up-armored Pope-mobile, but instead of the pope behind the bulletproof glass, we have the CONSTITUTION!

..and that Constitution is

..and that Constitution is what will save us in the end. It is time to move.

You seem to be doing okay

Still, I remember back in October when HR 1955 came up. I called my Congressman and I wrote scathing protests, but look at the impact of all our efforts. That bill sailed through without a single ripple in the rest of the country. What can we do? No one cares until it touches them, and then it will be too late.

What can we do?

March on washington. 7/12/08
Show our # if we do not do this on simple task we are not united.

No reason to post

There really isn't a reason to post on a subject that everyone here is in agreement on. Sorry if we can't keep your threads bumped forever, but there's not a lot to say.

Some discussions are simply more entertaining if you don't have 100 posts that basically say the same thing.

Not wanting

to be crowned thread king. Wanting to raise awares to simple human pettiness in hopes like minded will rise above .

I like your last sentence though. Hoping that people that argue for the sake of arguing, known on the net as trolls, don't hijack the hard won good image of so many RP supporters. Have fought and won over dozens to revolution with intelligent, calm, and reasonable fact presentation. Not debate, not name calling. The horsesplay must end.

Time is scant and we must arm ourselves with knowledge and weapons to confront tyranny, not circle-jerk ourselves into oblivion with pointless ankle-biting.

Make fun, buddy

This thread has now been linked from the OUR NEW PROJECT thread on the home page.

Given the evidence in these threads of the "type of people" the RP supporters are, why would any Presidential candidate consider playing to such an "audience"?

Laurie? What was that

Laurie? What was that supposed to mean? I got a real negative vibe from that post...

Pot, meet kettle!

Pot, meet kettle!

Because it involves work

and many of these people are tired after a hard day, and need something fun, interactive and or exciting. Your post is like mine, both will have big impact, but, this forum for some reason has unofficial non elected leaders, and so people tend to bond with them.

So when people like myself, who have years of real campaign experience and the ability to devise and develop valuable strategies get over looked because we don't post everyday. People hunt down and look for battles between unofficial and untested leaders, as if to check which way the wind is blowing. Hint to them, follow the sound of the gun fire! Not the Cackling in the chicken coup!

So I say, if the goal is to get Ron Paul elected and or into a high profile position, and if the goal is to save our nation from certain death. What I just posted should be today and tomorrows marching orders.

McCain will be placed in a box and most likely will not be able to fight his way out. Thus Ron Paul would be placed into a position to really win the convention!

Is that answer enough?

Who are the non elected leaders?

How do I run for that office...i'd like to be a non-elected leader

Interesting and

from a different perspective. Never really thought about it from a psychological/sociological perspective before. (pack mentality, leader selection). Thanks.

Your Welcome

The theory holds true; just look around at your everyday life. You will find people at work, who are not members of management, but are somehow, natural born, or opposites intimidating or even hostile.

The thing is some have charisma; like Bill Clinton, or even Hitler. Charisma does not mean that you are charming, just that you stand out in a crowd, you have the ability to hold peoples attention.

Some people can stand alone on a stage, and look very small. Yet another person can stand alone on a stage and like Elvis, can fill or consume not only the entire stage, but fill the entire building with their presence!

The goal in winning elections, as they say, politics makes strange bed fellows, is true. The Goal is to build a sustainable coalition to support a candidate or cause.

Followers without a leader...are a mere mob

http://www.time.com/time/...

Following the Leaders
Monday, May. 09, 1994
By JOHN ELSON Article

Where have all our leaders gone? In Certain Trumpets (Simon & Schuster; 322 pages; $23), Pulitzer-prizewinning historian Garry Wills tries to answer that familiar question by posing some queries of his own.

Where are the good followers? Wills asks. And where are the great issues and programs that unite leader and led in action? A leader without committed followers is an unheard voice in the wilderness. Followers without a leader who understands their needs are a mere mob. And without a timely, common cause, neither leader nor followers will affect history, for good or ill.

Our job, at least for me, is

Our job, at least for me, is to continue to wake others up and continue to fight the battles that we can. I continually post and email people about the situations at hand. Some people are very hard to convince this is truth. Start by asking them their politcal views and why they have such views. If they are undecided(the best people to talk to) ask them who the current candidates are. If they don't know or say Billary, Obamama, Mcbain, tell them to research more. Give them a wiki perhaps that shows ALL the canidates. Tell them to start looking at their voting records and where they get the money from. START informing more people. This is our best hope of seeing Ron win the seat. This is what I do, and it works.

We are the voice of Ron since Ron is busy defending us in his current seat. Be kind, and charismatic. Its very easy to do.

GO RON GO!

I reacted on S1959; just differently.

The moment I saw the first posting on S1959, I logged of DP, and then wrote Congress about it.

Heck yeah!

Forward the Revolution!

If you are here

long enough, someone will piss you off. Hence the playground shoving matches. Better to vent it here, and its free entertainment

That seems

to be the way of the world.

This is what I

This is what I think...Information on S1959 has been regularly posted here since last October. Most of us have contacted our elected officials by now. People have commented on this bill several times and there isn't much new to add for the time being. For me though, this one particular bill hit a nerve, plus there is still the hope that the Senate will do the right thing. Anyway, I think it is good to keep our eyes on it. I don't mind that no one comments on it. I just hope bringing it back now and then will do some good.

BTW, written anything new lately Walden?

I have

been going over my old stuff and am thinking of putting up a web site for philosophers and what not. My idea for a local paper is going to require a lot of overhead, but a website costs next to nothing to put together with the right friends, heh heh.

Anyways, the WHOLE point behind the newspaper and the website are both to generate new ideas and original content, in the hopes of inspiring others to take real life action and effect change with a physical and vocal presence in the real world. The internet of course is only a medium of exchange for so many things, before it becomes redundant. As long as we posess physical form we must manifest our thoughts and dreams physically and with a passion that no forum or site could possibly hope to contain.

PULEEEEEZE get ur website

PULEEEEEZE get ur website behind the Petition to Redress the Government for Grievance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We could use a link to ur site for SURE.

"As long as we posess

"As long as we posess physical form we must manifest our thoughts and dreams physically and with a passion that no forum or site could possibly hope to contain." ........ You're sounding a bit like LibBerte here. : )

Been debating

the potentiallity and morality of the Transhumanist movement with myself for the last few days, trying to find a pro-life position in a world that can no longer differentiate between life and death, puppet and puppeteer, unthinking animals and machines that may potentially house our nano-printed "souls".

Ghost in the Shell stuff.

Also debating with self to over possibility of absolute truth/absolute reality. Finding that/those concept/s flawed...until I look at it/them through a Buddhist perspective. Then things become one and all is right and wrong. At which point semantics and logic defy me and I zen out.

Completion and complimenting. All part of the same process. Just sorting it all out. Endless shifting, sifting, and sorting. Like an ant building a castle on the beach. No paradigm seems to hold up for very long except for a persistence of life and self-evidence. But then again, the self is subjective unto itself.

At which point I segway into a subjective reality debate with myself.

lol

I think I'd better read

I think I'd better read Siddhartha again..........Ha!

I'll bite

I believe part of the problem is that the people on this site have become fed up with at least the federal government. I do read these so-called important posts and I have written my reps and others many times only to get wordsmithed answers and opinions that are nothing more than BS. It is clear that they believe they are above the law and can do whatever they want without consequences. And if you follow the elections, they always get elected.

Here is something that totally baffled me. I am originally from CT and know Senator Lieberman. How is it possible that an INCUMBANT democrat Senator from a democrat state lose a PRIMARY election and still get elected as an independent. Are you kidding me? The funny (sad) thing is that nobody I knew ever asked "why did he lose the primary?" Not an eye was batted.

Because of this crap I have decided to continue to work for Dr. Paul but most of my efforts are going to the state level in order to get my new state, AZ to punch the fed in the nose and let them know that the states have the real power and the feds are beneath the states.

I wish

you the best of luck! Effect change on the local level. My fiance and I have been staying in contact with everyone in our local meetup and letting them know about local TN congressmen and women that 99-100% like RP and are running here: Michael Sabri (R) of 1st District TN, Phil Roe (R) of 1st district TN, James Reeves (Ind) of 1st District TN, and Patty Steele (Ind) of 4th District TN.

Work hard an do good things.

Freedom of speech? Thread deleted?

Funny how the same people triggering the delete of the parody thread were the same ones who defended SGP's "rights" to repost the slam threads about Trevor Lyman over and over that day.

Any Presidential candidate who would ever consider appearing in a debate in the hopes of garnering support from RP supporters needs to determine *which* supporters would be involved.

Have you noted the pattern, yet, on how truly divisive "Dr. Steve Parent" has been, particularly since "he" never existed a year ago?