Update on Nevada State Republican Convention
The Republican Party of Nevada opts for the Tammany Hall Solution
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by rtbohan
(Libertarian)
Friday, May 16, 2008
This is, I believe, my final report on the Republican Party of Nevada and the political chicanery involved in efforts to send a delegation to the Republican National convention pledged to the man who finished third in the primary and apparently second in the state convention before it was abruptly adjourned.
Immediately after the State Convention was abruptly recessed before the election of delegates to the National Convention was completed, the chairman of the convention,Bob Beers, announced that the convention would be reconvened in a little more than a week and that the credentialed and present delegates at the recessed convention would be the only persons allowed to participate. The Chairman of the state party did not immediately contradict State Senator Beers, and it seemed that, despite some obnoxious comments by a few Paul supporters, that the matter might be equitably resolved
After several weeks of dithering, the Nevada Republican Party seems to have opted for the Tammany Hall solution to send a delegation pledged to the man who finished third in the primary and whose delegates were clearly a minority at the state convention. The delay in making this decision and the crudity in announcing it would indicate that the decision was not so much made by the state party but imposed on it by the leadership of the national party.
When the promise was made that the convention would be reconvened with only the delegates who were credentialed and present at the time of adjournment, apparently the Paul campaign was promised a list of those credentialed and present. On May 7, Sue Lowden, the Republican state chairman said that if Senator Beers had made that promise he could not keep it. The Party, she said, had the list and intended to keep it confidential "for various reasons."(www.nevadagop.org)
On May 14, she posted another message, and the "various reasons" had been reduced to one: "Many delegates d not wish to be solicited or contacted for any reason other than official notifications from the party...and that seems a reasonable request to us." The party said tnat the list will not be released to the campaign of any candidate, but since the party is acting on behalf of the McCain campaign this statement rather insults the intelligence of the voters.
The Bush administration has given us anonymous judges sitting in judgement in secret courts. In Nevada, the McCain campaign seems to be offering us anonymous delegates voting in closed conventions. Ms Lowden holds out a promise of reconvening the convention, but then snatches it away.
Ms Lowden says that the party is considering two means of finsihing the convention business. One method is to call the convention back into session, but there is no indication that only the delegates present when the convention began voting will be admitted. This means that the party leadership is leaving itself two options: to bring in the elected delegates who did not bother to come to the convention in April to try to overcome the Paulite majority which attended, or to order their tame delegates to stay away, in which case they intend to declare the lack of a quorum and adjourn again.
Either in lieu of calling the convention back into session, or after going through the motions, the party intends to elect the delegates to the national convention by a mail in ballot. There seems to be real doubt as to whether conducting a mail ballot in lieu of a convention is allowed under the bylaws of the party. This means that however the state manipulates the situation, the sending of a McCain delegation to the National Convention will be done. Since it will not be done under the rules of the party, it is certainly open to challenge at the convention. Since the National Party is pulling out all stops to make the party seem unanimously behind their chosen candidate, a challenge is bound to fail.
It is no fun reporting on Tammany Hall tactics. If "We make the rules and we count the votes" is the way the Nevada Republican Party intends to operate, than anyone interested in open and responsive government will lose interest.
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I think we better think about what this means first
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights
before people start talking about going up against evil and slinging, fighting, bullets, or guns. You better find out who believes in the Creator that passage talks about. There is no victory against overwhelming odds for any people that do not know thier God. The Children of Isreal did not fight thier way out of bondage. God did it for them. To speak of anything else before uniting in this understanding would be a waist of time. You would be better to be in bondage to 500 nations. I'm wondering how long its going to take you people to figure out that anything good thats happend in this campaign was not done by what we did. It was done by that Creator that you want to hide behind and talk about His wonderful gift of freedom He has given you. Then turn around and bit the legs that protect you and say he doesn't exist. See they have defeated you long before now. The defeat came when they caused you and your parents and your Government not to know your God. No belief! No faith! No Salvation. You are mistaken if you think you fight against flesh and blood. No my friend! You fight against principalities and powers. Man cannot defeat the prince of this world. Only one has had victory over the enemy you now face and without him all hope is lost. Without him you are one of them. The perfect analogy is bitting off your nose to spite your face. You claim to be diffent than them, but really you both fight over who can do it better without the help of God. We come to a cross roads here. Every other issue means nothing till the debate is had who is our God. Is he the God of Islam, is he the God of the Jews, is he the God of the Christians, is he one, is three, or is he two. Is he a man, is he spirit, is he a sheep, is he a goat. Is he you? See these people have a god that is Spirit and stronger than flesh to fight on thier side. Who do you have? Your dead forefathers, your mother and father, your brother, your sister, your friend? Who among you is going to rise up and conquier our Goliath. Where is our David? Iv'e heard terms on here like apathy, fear, hoplessness, anger, impatiance. Well these are all the spirit that thier god brings out in man. so again, What is it that seperates you from them? Are you sure you disagree with them at all if you share the same spirits? Where is love longsuffering patiance kindness meekness. Vengance is mine sayeth the LORD. If you knew your god you would have Peace. if you knew your God you would have Joy. If you knew your God you would have Rest. If you knew your God he would fight your battles for you. See man has turned his back on God. He now fights his own battles. For His will. For His plan. For his Kingdom. This is the end times. You are coming to the end of Grace. This generation is entering the time of Judgement. The Son came to teach and to save but most did not want to hear it so they killed him. Why did they Kill Him because it was part of His plan to save each one of us. He started a time of Grace so people could hear the Truth. Only problem is people don't want to hear the truth so they turn off listening to anyone that speaks it. Think about it? You have all learned truths and tried to share them. What did you get? persecuted. Yet watch and see the flames my post gets for even saying the word Jesus Christ. Are we not just like the religions we spout off about? Are we not also hyppocrits? To say we have rights given us by a Creator then out of the same mouth we say does not exist? Then wonder why we can be spoke of as kooks and wierdos. It makes no sense. Everyone seeks for answers but when someone comes along and has the answer do we not do exatly what the people we try to teach do and turn it off. And they walk away shaking thier heads wondering how to make us understand. Do each one of us have all the answers if so would that person speak up right now and lay it all out how to make Ron Paul President? I would like to hear the exact plan. No! There is noone to stand up and have the answers. There is no David to kill our giant! how did David kill the giant? Funny enough with his own sword. How could a little guy like David kill such a large man. Even more amazing! With a little stone. thats right knocked down by a little stone between the eyes. Then David cut the head off and recieved his victory. See his God brought him down to his own size. It wasn't David victory at all. It was Gods. Why is it everyone thinks this planet was created for our will and not Gods will. Why do people think this planet was made for thier pleasure and thier needs and wants. Who promised you such a thing. If you made a planet would you do it for the little creatures you put on it so they could rise up and see themselves as greater than you and to run around destroying what you had made and disobaying every rule that you had put in place. I think not. Even if they did these things would you still allow them to have freedom of choice and just follow behind them fixing every problem they cause. I garantee non of you would. yet this is the gift you have been given. Would you make yourself a creature and send your only son (or sacrifice a peice of you like your right hand) and send it down into that creature you made and allow him to die for thier disobediance. I say no one on this palnet would do that yet it was done for you. Would you make all your little creatures who do these things against you free and give them the right to hate you to the point of killing you if they can. Not anyone that I have met in my years on this earth. See this is why you do not know your God. Religion makes it complicated so you lose interest. The people you fight against are afraid of the True God. However, they are not afriad of you. You can be divided God cannot. God is not three persons. He is one! This the Jews had right. One God who is Spirit. The thing they missed is it did not take all of God to make the earth. It only took his wisdom and it was accomlished through his hand. His hand has been doing his work on earth from the beginning. It was in the beginning with God. it is the Logos in John 1:1 which the Church now says is Jesus. This is only a half truth. Which is always the best form of lie. The hand of god is the Son of God God cannot be seen in the World he is not part of his creation he works outside of it. Yet his hand works in it continually. This is the Son of God. This is the Light that originated on the first day. Not made originated or better said named or declared before the foundations of the earth. Gods chosen people have always known this name but because of disbelief they lose the name. It is taken away from them if they turn wicked. The Jews had this name at one time but because of thier wickedness it was taken away so instead of repenting and doing right they made up thier own name and acted as if they had not lost it. The right hand is the Son of God. it is the Spirit of God that moves in the world doing its Fathers works This is why Jesus (the Son of Man) meaning flesh or sacrifice said he was doing his Fathers business because He had the Holy Spirit in him. In other Words the Holy spirit Wraped himself in flesh and walked among us. To teach the world truth just as you have tried to teach others truth that you have found it. It is not easy to do as you have found out. The Holy Spirit did not die on the Cross only the Flesh died. However that was the Flesh of the Almighty God that was sacrificed for the sins of all the world. All those that believed in the Son that they could see also followed the Son that they could not see. You can say I do not see any Spirit how can i believe in that. Well you cannot see the wind but you believe in it. You cannot see a ray of light but you believe in it. why because the wind blows and moves the leaf and the ray comes down and warms an object. But when the Spirit of God comes in and causes a multitude of people to give every last dollor they have to fight for a man that is against a giant and when the Spirit causes a multitude of people to lose thier apathy and get up and find the courage to run at the giant with a sling a stone and a prayer we turn around and say look at what we have done. Well i say to you the only way that stone is knocking down this giant is if God guides it and gives it power and takes the giant down. There will be no victory without him and there will be no slaying of the giant. He will just get right up and cut the head off of David. If you read what the reward of that fight was you will have your answer as to what becomes of the loser. This is what we have in store for us without Jesus Christ doing our fighting for us. This is the name of our God. This is the name outside of creation this is the name of the Son of god and this is the name of the Son of Man inside creation. and this is the name of the two declorations of the one (person) true God on the Throne in heaven as I speak. Anyone who says anything other than this does the work of thier father the devil and they are nothing but what he is a murderer and a liar. You say that is against all the religions in the world today! I say we are as lazy in our search for true doctrine as we are in political attention. This belief is in every nation of the world why is it you never hear about it. Does that sound familiar hahaha this is truely amazing to watch God work in these last days. Open your eyes a little farther my brothern the answer is right in front of your nose it blows where it wishes. You only have to reach out and ask for it. Your giant and your victory await you. If not thats ok also he has a plan for those who do. As for the rest tribulation as never seen before.
just dugg it!! #8
this is absolutely insane.....bullets will fly soon...
Major media outlets are
Major media outlets are covering this with building momentum.
Check this link:
http://bob-beers-and-sue-...
We're starting a running total for news coverage and a couple of fun polls so cast your votes.
Maybe we can shine a light on the great state of Nevada!
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5 now. come on folks, help
5 now. come on folks, help us out!
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Certain media outlets
might be persuaded to air this story, if it was all succinctly correlated together, and had correct documentation provided.
There are some reporters and media which are very anti-McCain, anti-Republican, etc, which might run with this story on a national level.
There are some other "wildcats" also, like Glenn Beck or Lou Dobbs who might consider giving this some airtime.
While the media may be generally against us, if they have some red meat that they think can sink their major Republican opposition, they might use it.
I feel they think Dr. Paul is no longer a factor to worry about, and they could seize on this as a way to attack the Repubs.
Might be worth a try.
Once the "republican" party
Once the "republican" party had the assurance from the media that it would be unreported, they apparently decided to break the rules without any attempt at hiding their treachery. One can always hope McSame will play a round of golf in a lightning storm before the convention.
Where is the DIGG crew ?
akak AND alskaron claim to be from Alaska, yet no comments on the AK delegate thread ?
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
No Diggs for NV Convention status ?
Is the FLDS matter more important to them OR the electing of a President that will take care of this/other issues ?
We are running out of time people.
Get on the ball.
EXPOSE
People in Nevada should be calling in talk radio to expose how the state convention is rigged. Also, protesting to the FEC, the Nevada Attorney General, and even filing suit in court could tie this thing up. I suggest a "take no prisoners" position. Expose this criminal activity by every legal method, and make as much noise as possible.
I suggest making the attacks personal. It is not the Nevada Republican Party that is doing this, it is State Senator Beers. Never let a politician hide behind "the government". The government doesn't violate our rights. The government doesn't commit fraud. It is the politicians, and we need to name them, and turn up the heat.
No DIGGS for this ?
Where is the Outrage ?
why don't you run out to
why don't you run out to Nevada and raise some hell? or just shut up
rprevolutionist same goes
rprevolutionist same goes for you.
Where is the Outrage ?
This is absolute despotism.
Questions for NV delegates
Where is the official Ron Paul campaign in all this? Are you getting any input from them at all? Wasn't there some talk about Jeff Greenspan of the RP campaign staff trying to cut a deal with Sue Lowden? It sounds like these local Republicans are nothing but small time criminals doing the bidding of the crime family that controls the entire party.
Greenspan has been too busy insulting people
here on DP who have as much right to post as anyone else does. I, too, wonder where the official campaign is in rsponse to this, but they will not be able to fight this battle on 50 fronts either. What we need is some RP supporters in NV who are attorneys to start writing briefs, filing suits, or whatever the hell it is that attorneys do, to get to the bottom of this and expose it for the fraud that it is. Nevada attorneys, THIS is your call to arms! If you are afraid that the state establishment will make it difficult for you to practice law in your state for 'rocking the boat', just imagine how your kids will do 20 years from now if you do nothing and lets these bastards roll over us.
RP attorneys everywhere, not just NV, this is your call to arms!! You have the education and connections to make a difference in these battles! Get yourselves on TV filing lawsuits. Who the hell cares if they're winnable lawsuits, just get your faces on TV filing them!! Let them know in no uncertain terms what has happened here! For all those who say that RP supporters need to get out of the way and let the guy who the voters picked move ahead, show them this example! Say, look, THIS state certainly did not pick this guy, why should they be forced to send a delegation under the banner of a man they did not pick? Because of the interests of the national party? Poppycock! This is a union of 50 separate states, and all should be allowed their OWN voice!
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
I guess you will all get
I guess you will all get sick of this but liberty is on the line Nationally, not just some little convention in the 50 states! LIBERTY.
www.givemeliberty.org/rev...
Go here and take a stand. This is about all that lies between our movement continuing, or the NWO winning.
Ron Paul supporters need to
Ron Paul supporters need to gather a quorum and reconvene and elect new officers and their delegate. They need hire a lawyer and file an injunction against Beers and former officers to prevent them from proceeding outside the rules, for violating their own rules, and preventing them from usurping the elections.
Even though the Republican party is a private organization they have written rules and they must follow them or change them within the rules. The written rules are a contract and contracts can be enforced by administrative law courts.
They need to do this immediately! Where is the chipin?
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and if that doesn't work....
I 'd say there is no other option than to restart the American Revolution...this is beyond insanity... There needs to be a media interview asap!!!! This complete robbery... they are stealing our hard earned votes in Nevada....
Well, thanks for the report.
Well, thanks for the report. Keep fighting and volunteer at the convention. They need 4,000 volunteers. It would be nice to have 3 - 4,000 Ron Paul volunteers, plus delegates.
I'm confident that by September Ron Paul supportes will converge on the Convention and show the world that we plan on taking our country back.
Unbelievable
Has everyone gone insane??? They're not even trying to keep up the illusion of a legitamate political process, and there is no legal recourse because the court systems are corrupt as well. Our country isn't on the brink of being lost, it's already been completely taken over by the neocons while we were watching TV and still believing our votes counted. I'm incredibly angry about this, and probably shouldn't speak out when I'm this pissed, but I don't see this changing with 'civil disobediance" alone.
"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states."
We need to apply these words as they were intended. Sometimes the only way to stop a bully is to punch him in the nose.
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Before a violent revolt, why
Before a violent revolt, why not consider another PARTY?
People like us won't beat these scum at their own game, any more than Eliot Ness could have succeeded Al Capone as the capo of the Chicago Mob. This is a no-brainer.
It makes no sense to persist in this GOP nonsense..they're corrupt! So what if they're bigger than the Constitution or Libertarian Parties? They're also rotten to the core and owned by the people who are trying to destroy America..and doing a damn good job of it I might add.
When you're trying to plant a garden you plow it first to cast seed on fresh earth. You don't cast your seeds into a field full of four-foot-tall weeds.
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An idea
I'm no GOP rules expert in the slightest, but what about this idea?
I seem to recall that since Beers couldn't legally adjourn, then the Paul delegates could reconvene their own rump convention and pick up right where it left off and finish the nomination business etc. I thought that had been done in Reno after the fact but a quorum was short, or something like that. I admittedly forget the details, and they're here on DP somewhere.
Would that work?
We need to outsmart them at their own game...
Ok, now that we know the gloves are off and this is the way they are going to play in every state, we must put our collective RP brains together and figure out a way to checkmate these attempts to gyrate out of following the rules. This is exactly like chess and we have to anticipate and be prepared. WE Know that they have trolls working the blogs, so we need to play this close to the vest and not spill the beans on line. Time to communicate on local levels with direct emails in each state. I have the utmost confidence that we can figure something out. Wonder if Ron Paul has any thoughts or solutions on this subject?
The overall plan should be
The overall plan should be the one at www.givemeliberty.org/rev.... There is more at stake now, than this obviously "tampered with" election and all of its flawed agendas. What is going on 6/30 could change the entire flow of the country's ideals and thoughts. Please check this out and participate.
Crickett-I haven't seen this before
have you posted this on the main forum topics before?
I have bookmarked this to look through with my husband later. This, to me, is a very serious thing to commit to (ie: the signing of the petition for redress) because you must we willing to back it up with the promise that you will not pay taxes if nothing is done.
Yes, thanx. I have posted it
Yes, thanx. I have posted it many times..and NO you do NOT have to back it up with no taxes if you chose not to nor a hunger strike or anything else..It is mainly lets get 1000000 signatures and DO it jun30. The only commitment is really that you will put your name on the line to NOT GONNA TAKE IT anymore!! This is important and we took it to every branch of the government last year before the Supreme Court refused to listen, as well. Well take THIS! Someone is gonna listen pretty darned soon. If your contact address is here I will shoot u an email. Thanks.
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