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Goldwater Jr publicly supports McCain
Posted May 21st, 2008 by IndianaDrew
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I know Im new here but I was at the Orange County General GOP Meeting this week with the guest speaker being Barry Goldwater Jr.
While I am not familiar with Mr. Goldwater's views, I was under the assumption that he supported Dr. Paul for President. Myself and the rest of the meetup group were shocked when he said that we need to drop foolish things and get behind one candidate.
One brave member stood up and asked him why he changed his support, to which he replied: "First we get him into office, then we change him..."
Im not sure on his logic however. I am new to the group so Im not sure how this all works. The whole meeting seemed like one big book signing rather than a debate on issues. Oh well, we fight on right? The meeting was filled with candidates who are pushing for central committee positions and I wish them the best of luck.
Oh, and I registered GOP that day too. Thanks Dr. Paul for giving me hope.
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Whether someone is "new" here cannot be ascertained by checking their account information. My own account info says I've been here 19 weeks and 6 days, although you can still dig up posts of mine from a year ago (case in point, here is a Google cache file showing my presence here in May 2007).
Length of time as shown by our account info says nothing about our allegiances. This is neither an endorsement nor a denouncement of what some "new" folks are saying; merely a statement that opinions are not to be based upon the alleged length of time registered on DP.
Now, that being said: if this is a confirmed statement that Goldwater Jr. made, then he is off my "good guy" list.
Live from the village of Capitol Hill…
Junior must just be “one of the boys.” Perhaps he just couldn’t stand the pressure.
Unless you’ve seen the kind mass stupidity he always has to face, you cannot even begin to imagine to the type of low-level embarrassment and sheer lack of aceptence he might have experience. That stupid acceptence/authority mix is like a “high.” If you’re weak of character, you’re drawn to that feeling. I realize that’s no excuse. That’s just the reason.
I don’t think we want a dingaling like Junior on our team anyway.
--Cliff Treadway, Sioux City, Iowa
Hmmmm
Goldwater Jr. supported Texas Congressman Ron Paul in this year's Republican primaries but says he'll vote for McCain over Democrats Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
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He should have waited until after the Convention
so as to not take attention away from Paul's educational campaign.
Does Jr have a brain?
He has another option called a write-in. Maybe he does'nt believe in that or he's just soft and will vote for the lesser evil for the sake of voting. I don't understand his logic at all.
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let's wait to get some confirmation on this
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before we leap to conclusions
Understood
It's just too wierd. It's something I sure would'nt expect from him.
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"I don't like evil
But I will still support it
I am dumb, I know"
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wrong
I like evil.
But thanks for the cute Haiku.
McCain jazz
Jazzu has been a member of this board for 15 hours. Jazzu still thinks that giving one's assent to the lesser of two evils does not empower evil.
Jazzu, vote for McCain as in McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, or McCain-Lieberman. Make your stand for small government and liberty by voting for McCain. Want to know more about how Sen. McCain will bring us freedom, honor, and victory? Go to the John McCain Supporters Forum. http://johnmccainforum.co...
Why do some people keep bringing up
the fact that I'm new here? What's that have to do with anything?
By the way, I'll vote for Barr before I'll vote for McCain. If it comes down to McCain versus Obama, I'll vote for McCaine.
Troll 101
Fortune Favors the Bold
If you registered an account your first day, bring up 9/11 conspiracy theory, support NAFTA, and urge us to support McCain, you just might be a troll.
Oh ok then.
Tommorow, I'll come on with a new username so I can be called a troll again. See if you can find me. We'll make a game of this.
BTW, I don't support NAFTA. What are you talking about? There is a difference between supporting free trade and managed trade.
First we get him into office and then we
change him? There's something very familar about those words. It sounds remarkably similar to what happened to the attitude modification which took place in one George W. Bush, after he was elected. No nation building? Yeah, right.
Too bad.:-(
If you vote for Ron Paul this November you vote for freedom. A vote for Hillabamacain is a roll of the dice. But even if the dice ends up in your favor, you still have no freedom; your posterity is left with more of a lack of freedom than you ever had.
Humans are very strange people.
--Cliff Treadway, Sioux City, Iowa
B.S.
Troll alert
Wow, I thought he was in our boat
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I dare him
...to tell the troops they "need to drop foolish things and get behind one candidate"
You got that one...
right!!! I'm glad he's w/McShame. Who needs a weakling weasel with no spine?? Better McCain gets him because w/that kind of mindset they need to be together! Birds of a feather and all that. I say thanks for showing your true colors and sing, "Na-nah na-nah, na-nah na-nah, hey, hey, hey...GOOD BYE!!"
This is what being a good
This is what being a good 'party' member is about right now. Swallowing your beliefs and what you know is right to stay in good graces and I dispise it. The only point I can fault Paul on is wanting to work through the GOP. They have rejected their past conservative agenda and spit on us when we tried to continue it.
Let the bastards sink and start our own party - the conservative party. When we face the collapse pretty soon, the political lines are going to be redrawn.
Don't you guys get it? They
Don't you guys get it? They want us to get mad and leave the party. The Libertarians left the party and where did it get them? The Constitution party left and where did it get them?
If we fall for their BS and leave the party all it will do is continue the status quo. A 3rd party is not a viable option or strategy for taking back our country.
Stop running the TV programming expecting everything to be fixed in one hour (election cycle). I can't tell you how many times I have wanted to quit and tell them to eff off. But that is what they want us to do; to take our ball and go home and leave them in charge And the reason they are in charge is because they have all those mindless voters buffaloed.
If we leave, the mindless voters will not come with us BECAUSE THEY ARE MINDLESS and just vote party lines. If they weren't mindless we wouldn't be fighting this fight right now because things would have changed long ago.
Without those mindless voters we do not have the numbers to effect change just like the LP and CP do not have the numbers.
It's not about being pissed off at them or what they do to us, it is simple math we must heed if we really want change.
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Yep. My little GOP party
Yep. My little GOP party mentioned that same thing to me and I scoffed. They said they wanted Huckabee but they were "swallowing" (same thing!) and voting for Mickey to unite the party. I told the chairman that I guessed he could do that since he wanted Huckabee,,but that I would not vote for any liberals, much less one that fundraised in England. Then I went back to helping out on the Lincoln Day BBQ they are having, so they were glad I was there to help so the conversation stopped. I was REALLY mad today, anyway. In order to vote my preference for county judge, I had to vote on a Democrat ballot! The two judges running were democrats, so you could not pick one if you did not vote on the Democratic ballot. THEN my despised unconstitutional-voting senators were running with NO Republican opposition of any kind.Of course I refused to enter a vote for them, and GUESS WHAT? The damned Diebold checked the box for me anyway, and put a vote in for them!!! Then they told me that that was how it worked when they were running unopposed! I had just sent both of them a letter today about the Enumerated Powers act and how they better vote for it, and guess what? I was FORCED (after showing my ID, and being on their list, and signing their paper ) to cast my vote for those jerkoffs, because they are unopposed. The machine even said "you have not completed the ballot, please go back or press confirm". I pressed confirm and the receipt thing showed I cast a vote in every area I did not. I was incensed. Too bad for me. It costs over $10,000 just to the state to run for senator....
Agreed, I've been "there"
Agreed, I've been "there" with that idea all along. Unfortunately RP's delegates will have to be shat upon a lot more in the next four months before the movement finally dumps the GOP.
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As If
what Goldwater thinks holds any weight - or is important to us ....
vote 3rd Party
There are more than 2 party choices - don't kid yourselves....
Vote for the Message - Freedom!
Someone is doing something
Someone is doing something to "get" to these people I think. I do not know why..perhaps threatening the positions they already hold, or something. It's like the bible story where the Jews were told to deny their God or die. So everyone denied. Guess they figured they could say it out loud, but not in their hearts. Hannah and her 7 sisters would not deny, so they got killed on the spot. They still tell stories about Hannah, but the Jewish race lives on. Which way was better? I know Goldwater's heart has not changed.
My guess is the "something"
My guess is the "something" is CASH.
Buying people is much easier than threatening them, especially in a war with billions of unaccounted Black Ops dollars floating around.
Or haven't you wondered--for example--why the day after the Democratic landslide in 2006 Nancy Pelosi declared Impeachment to be "off the table"?
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Mccain? Never!
Mccain? Never!
Do you have any proof of this?
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You've got to be kidding
Although, sadly, I believe you're not. Those are just the words that came out of my mouth as I read your post's headline. Talk about shock and awe...
Very disturbing and McCrap
Very disturbing and McCrap won't change one bit.
We no longer can afford to compromise on the lesser of two evils theory. It has failed us and gotten us into this position.
You're going to HAVE to compromise on the lesser
of two evils because only two evils will be running in the general election. Paul has said he will not be running in the general election.
"Is representative Ron Paul going to run for president in the general election?"
Paul: "No." (latest NPR interview http://207.44.144.49/~ron...)
You can choose to not vote at all, but that would be irresponsible.
I wouldn't vote for McCain
I wouldn't vote for McCain if you held a gun to my head.
We need clarity here on this GOP thing.
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I will write in Ron
I will write in Ron Paul.
Voting for someone you do not like is irresponsible. In the communist countries, only party approved candidates were on the ballot. Was it irresponsible of those people to rise up against that kind of BS and not vote for the lesser of two evils?
So you're
going to let everyone else to decide who becomes president. Besides, face it nor not, Paul himself is a lesser evil. He's not perfect. Nobody is.
If everyone else is jumping
If everyone else is jumping off the cliff do I join in because everyone is doing it?
Paul is not perfect but he is not the lesser of a evil. He is a fine candidate.
Paul himself has jumped off the cliff
He said point blank that he will not be running the general election. He's out. His campaign now is only for the purpose of spreading the freedom philosophy.
He'll be voting for a lesser evil, come election time.
Do you have a better link to
Do you have a better link to that video? I'd like to watch it.
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I dont think theres a video available.
It's audio interview and the last question in this NPR interview:http://207.44.144.49/~ronpaula/RonPaulNPRinterview051408.m3u
Different sound file? I
Different sound file? I can't read it.
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There are two formats there. Maybe you can read one of them. It's the May 14 interview.
If you think he is going to
If you think he is going to vote for McCrap or Obama, you don't have one idea what he is about. The two parties have rigged the process to make it virtually impossible to run as an independent.
We do not compromise our positions. We are drawing our line in the sand.
Then
who do you think he is going to vote for? Barr?
Who knows. Maybe he'll write
Who knows. Maybe he'll write himself in like many of us plan to.
I'd hope Baldwin if he is going to endorse.
You're right--he has one
You're right--he has one flaw. His party affiliation.
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Hi
Fortune Favors the Bold
how's it going?
Would you rather kill
Would you rather kill yourself with a .45 or a machete?
...I would just rather...not kill myself...
Is that being irresponsible?
Ron Paul for write-in!
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Weird.
I've seen the youtube video of Goldwater personally supporting Ron Paul
What happened?
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
Paul is no longer
running for president. Paul has said point blank that he will not run in the general election. Obviously Goldwater thinks McCain is the lesser evil.
Unless he's nominated...
Of course he'd run if he gets the nomination.
Aren't we still trying to do that at the convention???
Running in the general without it would be futile.
Well
I think McCain would be better than Hillary or Obama. I think they would all be the practically the same on foreign policy, but McCain would be better on economic policy.
The campaign for Paul is a separate issue. He's not trying to be president anymore. Now it's about proliferating the message. That campaign goes on.