Why not Ron Paul on the Constitution Party ticket..?
Posted May 21st, 2008 by Kevin Tuma
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A few points:
-The RP Republican campaign exists at this writing to educate the public (and it's working splendidly in that regard), and the odds of Ron Paul being nominated look astronomically low considering the perfidy of the Republicans, the large number of votes McClunk has amassed, and most importantly, the fact that Dr. Paul himself is already saying he won't be the nominee.
What is very apparent to me at this writing is that Ron Paul does not intend to run for president after the convention and plans to return to Congress, valuing his seat more than a presidential run.
He is increasingly attempting to relay this to our movement--but he also clearly cares what we think.
-Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr each have weaknesses that I think preclude them from being elected president this year. Baldwin is perceived as too inexperienced, while Barr is perceived as too much of an insider. I think both perceptions are reasonable ones.
I think both candidates, being much younger than Dr. Paul, still have a few years to rise in prominence in their respective parties.
Assuming America survives the next presidential election.
-If I recall correctly, there is an "LBJ Law" in Texas that allows the candidate to run for president and Congress at the same time. So there's no lack of feasibility there.
So why can't Dr. Paul continue to run for Congress on the Constitution Party ticket? I believe he could win. There are already several Senators and Representatives on Capitol Hill who are not Democrats or Republicans.
-Why can't Ron Paul run for President on the Constitution Party ticket with Chuck Baldwin as his vice-presidential running mate?
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Been there, done that.
RP ran on the Libertarian ticket many years ago, and the reason he won't run on a third-party ticket again is that he knows full well how much the demopublicans have stacked the deck against other parties.
-jcr
This only holds water
up to the point that he is no longer in any kind of contention for the normination. Right Now, he can still have that normination.
Can't be an independent and Republican at the same time.
If he runs for president as a third party candidate, then he can't run for congress as a Republican. He would have to go third party for both races. He'd be just as likely to win the presidency, and make his congressional seat much harder to defend.
Third Party Tuma
strikes again... you know, referencing what neoconned said earlier, the establisment neoconservatives would be powerless against a frontal assault by the combined forces of freedom. Then the neocons would be forced to either shut up, leave, or form their own party. If they try to they'll get their asses handed to them, so I don't care. You see, Tuma, we have been given this corrupt system by our own ignorance and that of our forebears. Why should we not manipulate it to our advantage? In all good conscience, how CAN we not? All these little parties that stand on principles need to stop wasting their talents in obscurity and join together, and take over the GOP. This is the plan that has real potential. Ron Paul running on the Constitution Party would be logical, in a sense, but irrelevant, because MSM will call it irrelevant and it will be so. Too many sheep in this country for a third party plan to have any traction.
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Ron Paul Presidential run---again?
Ron Paul has repeatedly said to us that he will NOT run for President on any but the Republican Party this time, he has no plans to do so, and will not accept any nomination if offered, by the LP, the Constitution Party, or as an Independent. His decision should be understood and respected!
He has already given our patriotic freedom movement far more than anyone, least of all himself, could have expected. We owe him a debt of humble gratitude for his extraordinary effort to seek the Republican nomination against every sort of neocon obstacle and media bias imaginable. He has not only energized a freedom movement of millions of people, he has enabled us to "hit the ground running", in at least three ways:
1- We can volunteer to support freedom advocates in the major parties, running for the US Senate--like Dr. Murray Sabrin of NJ--for the House of Representatives, for State Governorships, etc. These are mostly disaffected Republicans but might include some surprising Democrats( especially in the Rocky Mountain States and perhaps parts of the South) as well. By that time, there might be a large enough base of disaffected voters to support our peoples' campaigns, and perhaps to even win some elections. Ron Paul will no longer be alone in Congress!!
2- Work with the Libertarian or the Constitutional Party. This path also has difficulties, perhaps even larger than working from inside the Republicans, but it has the advantage of building a mass base for freedom, peace and support for our Constitution which does not depend on government corruption and its pet mainstream media.It also offers volunteers an opportunity to engage in actual political activism--advocacy, fundrasing, organizing, media outreach, etc---which is far more independent of the kept polticians and mediacrats who are the source of our problems. If we are eventually successful, our movement will have given the American people invaluable alternatives to a corrupt and worthless political/media/corporate class of frauds and usurpers!
3-Supporting educational and advocacy websites, blogs, newsletters, foundations, etc. independently of electoral and campaing politics. The Mises Institute, the Future of Freedom Foundation, antiwar.com, isil.com,.the Gun Owners of America--a serious and principled counterpart to the wimpy and inerffectual NRA, and the Second Amendment foundation, the 9-11 truth movement, the John Birch Society and others who need our support desperately, and if we don't help them spread our message, certainly Hillary, Obama and McCain won't!
These are all activities we can, and ought to do, without Ron Paul holding our hand and spoonfeeding us. Ron Paul planted the seeds, it should be up to us, each in our own way, to nurture, grow, and harvest the crop.
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and he leaves possibilities open. You LISA interpret things YOUR way.
Because he said, "no".
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Here is something a member
Here is something a member of a meetup group just posted. I will paste it here for everyone to read as I feel it is extremely well thought out and the only logical way to create lasting change for our civilization:
There has been quite a bit of discussion (bickering some might say) amongst the Revolution as to what to do next. i.e. whether to vote for a 3rd party candidate or ditch the Republican Party all together.
I, for one, don't think ditching the GOP is a very wise move and here is my reasoning for this:
1. The Republican Party, albeit totally warped and hated due to neo-conservatism, is still one of the only 2 major parties in this nation and that will not change any time soon. It's a household name. The Libertarian Party is looked at by the masses as something that is crazy, kooky, not good, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Not one person I've encountered has ever even heard of the Constitution Party.
2. Ballot access in all 50 states. No if's, and's or but's. Try that with a 3rd party. This is due to point #1.
3. Access to mainstream media equal to that of the Democratic party. Basically, free media exposure. 3rd parties get hardly any at all and that won't change any time soon. If they do it is always with marginalization of that party added in. They can't marginalize the Republican Party because of point #1 above.
4. As Ron Paul has shown, the core principles of the Republican Party are representative of both the Constitutional and Libertarians parties IF they are followed by those who are part of the Republican Party. At this point in time, the GOP is filled with a lot of uneducated people. They pay lip service to these beliefs but never follow through. For example, Barry Goldwater and the movement that was brought about by his run for the nomination is what eventually brought forth Ronald Reagan, the King of the GOP. Ron Paul is saying the EXACT same thing that both Reagan and Goldwater said and in fact, was the ONLY candidate running this year that was ever endorsed by Ronald Reagan. Although I don't think Ron Paul would endorse Reagan now because Reagan failed to follow through on the platform he ran on, I think it would speak volumes to the GOP masses if they all found out Dr.Paul was endorsed by him.
The GOP is pretty much dying off due to neo-conservatism. NOW is the time to flood the party from local levels on up with freedom lovers. If the Libertarian and Constitution Party members would just grasp that they stand a MUCH better chance at achieving their desired politcal goals by ditching the 3rd parties and helping take over the GOP we could EASILY get Ron Paul Republicans into Congress and educate all the neocons to the errors of their ways.
I staunchly believe that diffusing our efforts in trying to get the freedom message to the masses will be completely futile. They marginalized Ron Paul and he was part of one of the two major parties! My question is this. If we ALL band together and focus the Revolution's eye on taking over the GOP from the ground up, how will the mainstream media marginalize us if all the candidates they have to choose from in 2012 are Ron Paul Republicans?
If we took over the Rep. Party we could possibly set up rules for the platform that bans neo conservative belief systems altogether. i.e. If you do not accept to obey the Constitution in its entirety, you aren't allowed to be part of the Republican Party. We could turn this whole thing on them and force THEM into trying to start up some 3rd party. It will get no traction in the media because the masses will then see a stark, negative contrast between what they (neocons) advocate and what freedom loving Republicans advocate.
We have enough people and money to FORCE the GOP into becoming the Libertarian and Constitution Parties rolled into one. The biggest contrast between these two, as far as I can tell, is the War on Drugs. By us all working together to take over the Republican Party we will get to our goal MUCH faster.
The shortest distance between two points is a straight line...... a bee line of us Revolution worker bees right into the half empty hive of the GOP. I just really don't understand the logic of trying to accomplish something through a 3rd party.
Why do you continue
Why do you continue reposting this spiel? You've posted it five or six times altogether on different threads--twice on this one.
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I posted it in response to
I posted it in response to the question put forth in your thread.
This IS very well thought out..
SHORT-TERM
I would say that first Ron Paul needs to go "all-in" in just one of the remaining primary states, to try and win and make a point to the MSM that the people are fed up with the current situation. Spend the rest of the Presidential Campaign funds on just one state, do or die.
LONG-TERM
Just exactly what you posted. Will we strive for freedom for just 12-18 months and then give up? Or are we in this thing for the long haul?
But to take over the party, we need influential people in our ranks and must help elect Ron Paul Candidates.
Thanks for posting this, but this should have its own thread.
But, this is only my opinion
What states are left?
I like the idea of a huge push for the last, best state.
Well for one
there's already a Constitution Party candidate
We'll get him to join us
in order to take back The United States of America and the Constitution. We have to band together to fight this. Anyone not voting democrat or republican would be greatly encouraged to fall behind Ron Paul because they know they are not going to win the other way.
Yeah
but there's a process, you can't just take away someone's nomination and give it to someone else
PLease see my post
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Yes
go to this post. Very important post.
Kevin I Used To Think 3rd Party Was A Possibility But...
if you think Ron didn't get a fair shake timewise at the debates (not to mention the exclusion at some) if he were to do this there would be orders to arrest him just like with Nader.
The only way Ron could win third party is if he had about 500,000,000+ to buy airtime primetime ala Perot and also get down and dirty exposing Hilary/Obama and McCain for the evil puppets they are.
Besides unless the electronic voting/counting machines are not eliminated before the Convention and General Election he has a nil chance of getting elected anyway. I see major blood in the streets over this election with the collapse of America we know it if we do not take our right to transparent voting back.
Paper Ballots,Hand Counted At The Precinct Or Bust
There is another way to avoid voter fraud
We can do it. We can do it.
OK I'm editing this post to include the way to make the election transparent. Here it is:
If the ballot says
On May 21st, 2008 RonPaulistheAnswer says:
Paul vs. Obama vs. McCain then we HAVE to address the fraud issue. The quickest, most painless way to address the fraud issue is with the 100% exit poll. Anyone who opposed it would reveal their intention to abuse it. Put 3 people at every polling place (preferrably a great mixture of people), have each voter pull a ticket from his candidates wheel on his way out so that you have a running count of each candidate. At the end of the night, compare with the official count and if it does not match, object on the spot. Small margin of error, allowed. Anyone who would not pull a ticket would be tabulated to balance out at the end. All voters counted. These totals called into one website to tabulate. A totally independent, 100% Exit Poll. We should not have to get anyone's permission to do this, but if we do, it should not take change of laws or change of any procedures that are in place. It would be a citizen verification. It would be an Integrity in the Elections group of mixed, nonpartisan citizens. Each group would buy their own supplies which would be gathered together and coordinated by the website. They would buy three wheels, set up a table with a sign and don't leave wheels unattended.
OK, Thomas you know you and
OK, Thomas you know you and I are simpatico on this voting machine issue. Personally I believe the machines are the only reason McKlunk made his so-called "comeback".
Look at it ths way. Say you have a Third Party that is 95% made up of passionate libertarians who dislike and distrust the government. How likely are THEY to vote on touchscreen Diebold machines, versus the average Republican or Democrat?
They wouldn't...and in most voting places, paper is an option.
So going Third Party doesn't necessarily win the election for Ron Paul, but it does vastly increase the odds that the votes cast for him will be properly counted.
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Paul wants to transform the Republican Party
I think he's too entrenched in that idea, to go to another party. I think he would probably lose a lot of credibility if he went to another party at this point.
Perhaps...
but then he would become a more viable choice for people like my folks... Regan Dems who, after the past 8 years, have been so disgusted with the Bush Administration that they can't get past the big R.
Plus we might be able to rally the other third parties around him (provided Paul makes it a priority to reform our election process so that third parties are more viable).
Paul is probably not going to run, and a 3rd party alliance would be unlikely... but its fun to think about it.
I'm the last person ...
to be called an optimist. However, I still believe McCain can be denied the nomination, and the GOP brought to its knees. I once neutralized a $13.5 million dollar gubernatorial campaign in Arizona with one well-placed telephone call. That not happening, is there anything to stop Dr. Paul from running for VICE president on one or more tickets?
Now THAT
is what I'm talkin' about!!!!
Your kind of action is the kind of action I like to see (and prefer to execute.) Strike with a hot undeniable truth that cannot be skirted and get the job DONE. None of the mangy pangy lawyer talk that goes on and on and on and creates all these arguments that build lawyer fees. Pinpoint the problem, play the card and make sure every other possibility is blocked.
This is exactly what I am waiting for to allow Dr. Paul the Presidency.
I have a mission for you if you are willing to accept it? Go alone into a beautiful place and meditate, pray, think. Return upon your completion with the ANSWER. Go, Bob. I will be expecting and anticipating your return.
I reject the optimism--after
I reject the optimism--after Nevada, the GOP is in circle-the-wagons mode and they'll do anything, proper procedure or otherwise, legal or otherwise, to block our delegates' actions. Read the accounts of the recent Hawaii convention, for example.
Regarding running as vice-president...Why vice-president? Is there a legal loophole that favors him running as vice-president? I think he should be at the top of any ticket.
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Yes but,
evil shrivels in the light. GOP is pushing out American people. They are WRONG. If they don't fear us, why do they take these tactics. They need to keep being exposed by everyone and anyone.
I think only the smartest
I think only the smartest among them are scared of us at this writing...but the whole party is starting to realize its predicament with general voters.
What was it Captain Kirk said when Spock told him the Klingon Empire was dying? "Let them die."
That's how I feel.
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Because he has said ....
that he is 99% sure he will not run third party.
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
I see 1%
.
Q -Why can't RP run for...
A -Because he said he won't! He also said he will not endorse Mccain. As much as all the anti-Libertarian Party forces would like, don't expect an endorsement of Chuckie. Keep an eye on a Barr endorsement, they are friends after all.
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Baldwin is nominated
as President contender and his VP is a lawyer / ex marine from
Memphis, TN
Does anyone know where there is a link to find out what states
will have Constituion Party on the ballot?
Now
I think the Constitution Party will only be on the ballot in 35 states, so Paul has NO chance to win and he has to fight again for his congressional seat, which he has already won. There will not be any contender, so he does not have to worry about that. It is best he reforms the Republican Party from within and campaign.
I think he ruled out to be on the ticket of a third party, but there is still a possibility for something in the Republican Party. The GOP cannot exclude or ignore him, there is a huge bump in the road for them. And besides - as Bon Novak noted - the GOP is NOT united behind McCain. More than 25% voted against McCain in Kentucky.
It would not be so good if the RP vote is split between the LP and CP. A fusion ticket is perhaps possible with Barr as nominee, but there is strong resistance in the Lp vs Barr and they want to change the platform to 04, instead of 06. If Barr does not get the nomination and they want to make it difficult for him with his pro-life stance etc, maybe he should talk to Howard Phillips and Baldwin and they can decide to put Barr on the top of the CP ticket with Baldwin as VP ticket and see in how many states they can get on the ballot. I guarantee they will fare much better than the anarchic tending LP.
Or Barr should run for congress or senate on the Ron Paul platform....so that we have another one in congress to help Dr. Paul.
The Republican campaign is
The Republican campaign is over, from a standpoint of nominating Dr. Paul. He is running to educate and spread our ideas. His campaign for the presidency is just a vehicle for that purpose at this writing.
Neither Baldwin nor Barr are presidential material. (And I hate saying that about Baldwin, because I'll probably vote for him in the end.)
I agree with the idea of Barr running for Congress again under a Libertarian banner. That's a good idea.
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I Understand
in one way what you are saying about presidential material .....
However, look at the the other choices -
I would say with those choices he is very much presidential material -
I mean, Obama, Clinton, McCain - oh my!
Well
so is Dr. Paul and look what that got us.
What I'm specifically saying
What I'm specifically saying about Baldwin is (a) he has no government experience and (b) he isn't a very dynamic speaker. If he had one or the other asset on his side, I think he'd have a lot of potential.
I do think he's a fine man, and I will probably be voting for him in November. But I wish it could be Ron Paul at the top of the ticket.
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Well,
yes, McCain is the presumptive nominee and highly probable that he would be nominated, yet it is always possible that there may be some big scandal revealed with the Bush administration or McCain, the Iraq situation and/or the economy deteriorate rapidly in the next few months, and with Dr. Paul addressing the RNC that most McCain delegates may be swayed over. Douglas Wead wrote that with the debates, it was at a stage McCain & Romney supporters that applauded Paul when they heard his clarity and logic and conviction. ALso consider what happened in NV, where he swayed some McCain delegates! So although unlikely, it is IMHO still possible... in any case it would be best if he continue: no use running third party and he would in any case NOT be allowed on the ticket in about 5 states (state law, among them Texas).
A strong polling of the LP and further show of number strength by us will put pressure on the GOp, as they know in a tight race every vote and enthusiasm counts and he cannot make it without the support of Dr. Paul's supporters. Period. Think of it 16% Paul in a swing state of PA for instance, make that 8% in a presidential, less than 8% already can/will make the difference between winning and losing. Dr. Paul has a hold in some purple states. SO he IS a key player.
Because, duh!
The CP had named their candidate next month in Baldwin and now that vehicle is closed.
I only mentioned that 8 months ago...
Oh I know that--I just
Oh I know that--I just believe Baldwin would "move over" for Ron Paul and run as his Veep. I don't think Gravel, Barr, or Ventura would do that on a LP ticket, but I believe Chuck Baldwin would. He's a firm supporter of Dr. Paul...he's one of us.
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Federalist Fusion
"Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr each have weaknesses that I think preclude them from being elected president this year. Baldwin is perceived as too inexperienced, while Barr is perceived as too much of an insider. I think both perceptions are reasonable ones.
I think both candidates, being much younger than Dr. Paul, still have a few years to rise in prominence in their respective parties. "
There is no reason for Ron Paul to leave the Republican Party, or abandon his Congressional re-election bid, in order to run for the Presidency in November. Both Barr and Baldwin have ALREADY endorsed The Good Doctor. They need merely to divvy up the States, run as their respective party standard bearers, and direct their Electors to vote for Dr Paul in December. If the Libertarian Party sees fit to nominate Mr Barr, Mr Kubby, or Ms Smith then a Federalist Fusion remains a possibility, and we may well avoid yet another Demoblican nightmare in the White House.
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That's a pipe dream
right up there with Robert Milnes.
It also violates the bylaws of the CP and LP.
Not gonna happen.
Dream Big
"A man's reach should exceed his grasp."
And thank you for the reference. I'll be researching the aforementioned Mr Milnes.
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Professor Bernardo de la Paz
Impolite and impatient pedantic putz.
One wonders
whether a fusion candidacy is only possible if a candidate wins the nomination of all two or three parties, like the infamous Daniel Imperator wants to do, or as Independent with both parties accepting him as the nominee. If. Dr. Paul or Barr would have the LP nomination, Baldwin with the CP will surely throw his support, otherwise not. The LP has the best ballot access.
It is best for for to campaign futher, which he would in any case have to do should get decide to go third party. Problem some 4 or 5 states would not allow him on their ballot, including Texas, as he was already int he primary of another party and did not win. Otherwise he could join/be appointed after the RNC, should it not go as hoped? Best is to wait and see how the situation develops, with the economy and Iraq also.
Dr. Marc Faber has said the higher commodity prices, the higher the chance of war, which leads to even higher commodity prices. I think the Bush govt. may well strike Iran before the end of this year, they may do it before the RNC. This could lead to senators, also CHuck Hagel calling for his impeachment, which will be the perfect storm to catapult Dr. Paul to power for the GOP nomination. Already the Bush association is as "bad" as Obama's "Wright connection", if not more...
Electors Count
Irrespective of whom voters vote for in any particular state, or who is actually at the top of the ticket, it is the Electors of that state who make the decision. Voters vote for Electors and Electors elect the Prez & Veep. After Electors are chosen they are not bound by party rules nor the popular vote, but only by the Constitution.
That's how, in 1972, Tonie Nathan became the first woman in America to receive an Electoral Vote. Roger MacBride, Virginia Elector, though elected as a Republican, could not stomach voting for the re-election of Nixon/Agnew, so he instead wrote down the names of John Hospers and Theodora Nathan, the Libertarian ticket.
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Professor Bernardo de la Paz
Impolite and impatient pedantic putz.
They would love to get us
out of the Repugnant party because they know third parties don't have a chance. They would love to get us to vote for other candidates in order to
dilute the revolution. Ron Paul will not win the presidency but he will win the hearts and minds of the people that makes him very dangerous to the elite and scum in power. Ideally, Dr. Paul continues to speak and get information to the people as to what is coming. Inspiring others to come forward and run for office on his platform and they in turn speak the truth. What we have to be wary of are people who say they are Ron Paul candidates but are not but they are plants by the opposition. Our job is to continue to support Dr. Paul and educating people as the economy gets worse I hope people will wake up. Peace
Another "no chance" Kool-Aid drink, I see
Well, if you believe that, then you'll make it happen.
And the opposite is true, too.
Another one!
Who actually get's it. Yes we need to be dilligent and continue to educate people. I do so every day.
The Revolution goes on (and
The Revolution goes on (and is successful) regardless of who wins the presidency this year.
I just wish that person could be Ron Paul, and a Third Party, if he could be persuaded to join one, is the only way.
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