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15%? Ron Paul really blew it

by not coming to Oregon. He could have done much better than 15% in Oregon if he had just taken the time to show up. There are no McCain signs here, and Oregon is the kind of state that would have responded to his message, especially since a lot of Dems aren't enthusiastic about their two candidates.

I know Ron is busy selling his book right now, but he owed something to all the hardworking volunteers here who gave their time and money to support his candidacy, some of whom have been working 16 hours per day on his campaign for almost a year.

I still support Ron Paul, but this makes me wonder what his true intentions are. Does he still want to be president?

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this is sooo politically incorrect for me to say...

but when 85% of our citizens vote this way- Im beginning to understand why the rest of the world thinks we're idiots ruled by evil men.

I know what you mean. Thats

I know what you mean. Thats was I spend hours online shorting the dollar in the forex market.

This is a lesson for we the people

this is our job not his. Our job is to rally support for the man of our choice and you did. I think you guys did a great job you have no idea how big of a deal your 15% is. That 15% struck fear in the hearts of the GOP. I assure you. I agree it would be nice to have all the time in the world to have Ron show up at every event or every state but its not doable all the time. Be proud all you our patriots in Oregon. We the people sallute you. You have also shown us where our brothers and sister really are in this country they are in the state of Oregon. Your light of liberty has reached out to my state of Missouri and you have strengthend me. Your light of liberty has beamed hope into every other state. Your light of liberty has shown the way. You have done more than you can even grasp. I am so proud of all of you! We move forward remember after the salvo is over attach your baonets from here on its hand to hand. We are the children of the mighty men of old. They have shown us the way. I for one will not turn and run. I will not move back an inch. Our reward is not on this side in which we are fighting it's on the other side of them. Push on Paulites! push on!

Maybe living here

isolates us from realizing how good 15%. Most of us expected about 10%. We just have a mindset here, even the independents and some democrats, that Paul is right. So what. It's a shrug your shoulders kind of thing. We probably just have more laid back people that thought yeah he's right why not vote for him, no big deal. The perecentage of people who think Paul is good is probably the same here as everywhere else, the difference is people here are slightly more likely to act on it.

I said it yesterday, that 15% and 50,000 votes will go up tomorrow because that's when they count our write in ballots. Maybe not by much, but at this point, it's all good.

You are all retards

Dr Paul's candidency isn't about him or any corporation trying to benefit off of him. Perhaps all you blew it by not educatating more idiots in this country. Only you will lose if he is not in the White House not him. Obviously if by a miracle he did become a president he would surely be killed faster than you can imagine.
I already have my president and that's of course Dr Ron Paul. Only my death will change that. I reject anyone else. A country of idiots does not speak for me and I piss on democracy (just another euphemism for for the communism).
At least there is a chance now since my president won't be in the White House, they won't kill him. I need him to live on and inspire me.

Wow, you say it rather

strongly but I agree with you 100%. Ron Paul speaks for me. Peace

15% is great!

If we take into consideration that we are taking on the infamous Establishment. These are the most powerful people in the world and we have them running scared. They've lied, they've ignored, they have attacked us directly. Even with all their minions and the machine that backs them, Ron Paul still broke through and injected truth into the mainstream dialogue.

They fear Ron Paul. They fear us and this movement. The Establishment fears the 15% because they know it's just the tip of the iceberg or should I say snowball. ;)

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The American Revolution 2.0 will not be televised... It will be downloaded!!!

I completly agree

Not only did Ron Paul not come to Oregon, he did not pay the $1000 to be in the voters pamphlet. He OBVIOUSLY did not care or his campaign advisers made the horrible mistake for him.

I know for fact, he got well more then $1000 from Oregon in donations...

John Mccain also did not put his name in the pamphlet and so many Oregon voters vote by reading the damn pamphlet.

I'm sorry Ron Paul or who ever made this decision for you, you blew it big time. I know I'm not guaranteed anything from him and he did good for what he has "done" for Oregon but come on... If I would of know you were not going to drop $1000 out of your millions, I would of contemplated my self putting your info in the voter pamphlet

p.s. I would still go to a Ron Paul rally in a second. : )

You're absolutely right . ..

And we should never let anyone forget it. But, we were all in a position to pay that $1,000. All we needed to know was that it hadn't been done. Why did nobody tell us it hadn't been done?

Because they didn't know, that they didn't know, that we didn't know that they didn't know.

So, in the spirit of the Zen master. Be the campaign, breathe the campaign. The oxen are slow but the earth is patient.

I'll just keep saying it . . .

Ron Paul's presence isn't needed as much as our presence at every level of government.

Whatever strategy we personally choose in the coming general election -- know this. The GOP is a tool that Revolutionaries can use to take over chairmanships, committees and the power base that is needed to help our bold leaders take and hold ground in the future.

In Oregon, candidates are the air war. The PCP positions and key choke points inside the GOP are the ground war. Ask any strategist. You can't hold ground in an air war. The enemy remains in place and we don't have political gains, just fancy fireworks.

In the Pacific Northwest, the GOP is LITERALLY running scared of the future. There are many news stories that show us the fear they have of losing control. They say we won't take care of the party. They say we are destructive. I hope that is wrong. If we engage the party while pushing for revolutionary change, they'll figure it out.

Wouldn't it be great to be at a county fair running the GOP booth as REVOLUTIONARY REPUBLICANS. It's completely doable. They are cooperative or they are the outsiders in that scenario. We do the fundraising. We run the message. We've done it before and they know it.

The relative success in Oregon is due to two allied forces -- people in the GOP who want change and people outside the GOP who want change. Separated, we will fail. Together, we can grow and succeed.

None of the strategies people are talking about for the general election require us to change party or contort our values -- in fact quite the opposite. To remain truly Revolutionary, you do need to be registered Republican for several election cycles to assist in the revolution inside the GOP. You won't be supporting the GOP as we know it. If you stay connected, you're helping kill the cancer and grow a Robert Taft party.

If we hold chairmanships, committee posts and essential resource control positions in the GOP, they can't shut us out ever again.
This is all quite possible. I've done the math. We WILL HAVE a supermajority in my county in the next election cycle if Ron Paul supporters stick together for another two years. We'll be in a position to run the party by the next presidential election. My county sends more people to our Congressional District Convention than any other county in our district. At the convention, we send one of five sets of delegates forward to the national convention
Hopefully, you get the picture. The future is ours, if we are bold enough to take it.

With the caveat above, we all know that Ron Paul supports every effort to support liberty from inside any party. He's on record supporting every effort. He just sees the GOP as the most likely avenue if we move in as planned.
I agree with Ron Paul. I share his vision. It is not a pipe dream.
So, don't forget what follows. This is old. But, it makes clear that the battle for the GOP was the Ron Paul 2008 battle plan, is the battle plan, will be the battle plan.

"What you are now, as a movement, is a new force within the Republican Party. And you have the opportunity to continue to bring people into the message of liberty and to the message of restoring the Republic. And you have the opportunity of moving that influence all through the Republican Party, if you've been involved in the delegate process. . . . We want you to move forward with this."

Lew Moore
National Campaign Manager
Ron Paul 2008

Yes, it's strategy, not religious dogma. But it is real. I encourage you to stay in this fight as a united force.

15% is very good

I live near Portland. I've been watching the primary results from other states and I fully expected something in the 8 to 10 percent range. I knew he had a lot of support here but I expected that in other states too. In fact, I don't know anyone who expected 15% here. That's BETTER than expected, not worse. This is a good sign.

I bet he is thinking about

I bet he is thinking about coming now. Good job, Oregonians!!

Ron doesn't "owe" anyone anything.

That's a Socialist concept.

Workers volunteer their time -- nobody forces them. They did it for a better America.

If he didn't go to Oregon (a Socialist/Democrat state), he probably had a good reason. Not because of his book.

Quit the whining, pick yourself up and keep fighting.

___________

Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

How about someone just

How about someone just e-mail Ron or someone on the campaign and ask them why they didn't put some kind of effort toward Oregon?

We're not psychics. Just bloody ask 'em.

i agree.also remember RP

i agree.also remember RP works a full time job as congressman, has a wife and large family and has a speaking schedule that would bring most to their knees along with television interviews. im sure in an ideal world under better conditions he would have attended with the honesty and enthusiasm he always has. he is one man, doing the work of many. maybe i am a little protective of the man but i do not like the tone and attitude of the thread here.

Amen

He is my inspires me and I am no where near his age.

Washington State Convention coming up... remember Nevada!

With a total of 1440 delegates possible, RP supporters have conservatively 400+ delegates and 200+ alternates!![probably higher] If we all show up, we may very well have a majority! In 2006, after seating the alternates, there were only 740 seated total. Add 100+ for Presidential year, another 100+ for RP excitement and brainwashing factors, another 100+ for who knows what... and we get between 1000-1200 total showing. Most alternates are seated across the state. If we seat only 100 of our alternates that gives us 600... nearly a majority. If only 10 percent of the 73% delegates which were conservative, moral majority, pro-life type people, join in to vote for our candidates, we have an even larger total per vote... Bottom line: We take the convention, the chair, unbind all delegates, purify the platform, and prepare for National! National will be a shocker!

Be prepared!

"Suspicion is a Virtue, if in the interests of the good of the people." Patrick Henry

"We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power... the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone - it is to the brave..."

I don't believe he is in it

I don't believe he is in it to win it. Heck,if you read all of his statements (and his book), and you read between the lines, he basically states it. He is not in this to win the Election or even the Nomination.

He is running so that your average American gets reengaged in politics. He speaks common sense issues and solutions. He doesn't make great sounding but illogical promises. He talks about accountability and responsibilty, things no other candidate preaches. And sure, the things he says are qualities and ideals we should want in a leader, but they aren't what a lot of our leaders practice. He is running so that we as a people will have hope for real change (not Obama's "Change" TM), but change that has to come from an informed and interactive people.

Why do I believe that he isn't realistically running for the Nomination:
- Other than fighting the results in LA he hasn't argued for other states with dubious election results
- His campaign has little to say about the shenanigans at the Nevada Rep. Convention (his statements concerning this ammount to a shoulder shrug).
- He keeps saying "As long as I have support I will run". And on numerous occations has stated "he knows he wont receive the nomination".
- He speaks primarily to Younger and Middle Aged (not to be confused with Dark Age or Neolithic Age) people about the debt, forgein policies and loss of liberties that we as a younger people are inheriting (and those who are getting older now are going to have to live with as they rely on us "Youngins" to make the decisions when they are old and decrepit)
- His constant denial that after he doesn't receive the Rep. nomination he would run independent. Basically, that is his message's finish line.
- He wrote a feaking book. The title contains the phrase: A Manifesto (defined: "A public declaration of principles, policies, or intentions, especially of a political nature."). It is a guideline that he thinks further generations of Americans (ie. us, the younger generation) need to align to to prosper, restore and maintain liberty.

I will write him in. My family will march on July 12. He won't win (unless a miracle occures). The reason I will "waste" my vote is the same reason he is "running" for president: to stand up for the Constitution, my fellow Americans and liberty.

Well said BeauZC.....saved me alot of typing...

also, Thanks for your work in Oregon.I feel your frustration.Just keep preparing and your time will come to be a warrior in this Revolution. Peaceful or not...

15% is great

considering most people dont even know ron paul is still in the race. paul got 1 vote for every 5 mccain got. the revolution is growing. be proud

There are certain practical considerations

Fortune Favors the Bold

I would wager it is is a similar reason as to why he couldn't go to Philadelphia.

Why Ron did not come to Philadelphia in April

The national campaign was presented a plan for Pennsylvania that included a number of events strategically located throughout the state including, in Philadelphia, a speech at the National Constitution Center followed by a (second) rally on Independence Mall. The campaign ultimately decided that Ron's pre-primary Pennsylvania itinerary would include only college-related events with no stop in Philadelphia.

At virtually the last minute, however, the campaign had a change of heart and wanted a rally on Independence Mall. The state coordinator recommended that the campaign not pursue this but instead elect an alternate Philly site. The reason for this was concern that poor attendance would result owing to lack of sufficient time to promote the event and that the mainstream media would slam the campaign by comparing it to the previous rally. The campaign did not pursue an alternate venue.

Yours very truly,

Schvenzlerman!

He's a philosopher, not a

He's a philosopher, not a fighter. This is not a slam at Ron, but a simple observation. Believe you me, I would rather have supported a candidate with Ron's platform, Obama's personality and Hillary's stubbornness. Can we have a do-over now? Pleeeeeeeez?

If Ron Paul wants to spread his message then he should...

Use all of the remaining money he has in the bank to try and win just one state, target just one state. As a poker player with a short stack there comes a time to move all in.

Winning just one state would send shock waves throughout the media.

The money isn't doing anybody any good sitting in the back.

What about Montana or South Dakota?

They should blitz one of these states with MSM advertising.

Then, if he wins, the story that we spread is that people are finally getting fed up with the state of the economy and the wars. That would build momentum and spread the message.

But, this is only my opinion.

Sound advice. Good tactic.

And it would have made lots of sense back in October too!

New Mexico

New Mexico may be a good state too. There previous governor was Gary Johnson a libertarian leaning Republican who has endorsed Ron Paul for this election and is outspoken against the War on Drugs. Their primary isn't until June 3rd, like South Dakota.

Absolutely!

I was saying the same thing about Nebraska and Idaho six weeks ago. He had the time and the money. Why dilute his effort by having one rally in each of five states where he has no chance of winning and all but ignore states where he has a chance to WIN ?!?!

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

There is no excuse for not concentrating effort on one state and....
JUST GO FOR IT!

I swear, all it would have taken to go from 13% to 51% in Nebraska would have been four lousy rallies.

And I really feel for the patriots in Idaho who sense how close we are to that "tipping point".

SirFelix, that is a very

SirFelix, that is a very valid idea and deserves to be seriously considered. It parallels my disgust with the Libertarian Party for never having targeted just one congressional or senate seat with their limited resources, where they could have elected somebody in a nationally prominent seat, instead of time after time frittering it away on hopeless and useless presidential campaigns that only and inevitably garnered 0.45% of the vote.

also though

Fortune Favors the Bold

I think it's somewhat irrelevant, as despite how much advertising Paul does, the hardcore neo-cons will not be convinced. This is a long term effort.

But as Paul has noted

Fortune Favors the Bold

It's about spreading the message. I tend to think he believes know his freedom rallies are an important thing to keep doing, since days after the Trilateral Comission thing came out, he was specifically quoted as saying he was going to keep doing exactly what the TC allegedly said they wanted him to stop doing. Also, he still has to do his job as a legislator. He really has been all over in the past few months, keeping a very busy schedule.

I agree.

I agree 100%, and I think he should do more than announce that his campaign is "winding down" if he intends to let golden opportunities like this slip through our fingers.

Maybe you should read my post, "Winning a primary -- a crazy idea whose time has come." from March 21.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

This is not a new pattern for the good doctor, and I still do not understand why he has conceded EVERY primary to McCain now.

It is amazing that he finishes as well as he does considering the lackadaisical support we receive. It is a testament to the power of his message (and hard work from the grassroots) but there is no question in my mind that he could help us more.

What I can't understand is how he can ignore the potential benefit to the MOVEMENT if he were to win a primary now -- forget about the campaign.

I just don't think he "get's it".

You don't

You don't get it?
watch this and see if after you see this if maybe you get it? http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Now that you have watched this and now you get it what is there that you or anyone is going to do about it?

Well

Paul had to choose between Kentucky (where his one son Rand is) and Oregon
and in between in DC for congress. I am sure he would have liked to be in Oregon, as he indicated on a radio conference call once. I am sure if he had a meeting there, you would have been enthused and excited, but not sure whether it would have made much difference to the outcome. He can certainly be there later, during state delegate meeting or before. Wish there was someone else who could also campaign for him.

Now is there not more candidates for congress you can identify, where Ron Paul
Republicans, Libertarians, COnstitutionalists, Independents can be? I am sure a candidate on the Paul platform has a lot of potential among many, also conservative Democrats and conservative Greens. If you can identify, Paul can campaign for the person in Oregon. I think he cannot endorse a candidate in a primary where the incumbant is a GOP and not on his platform, but if a Republican GOP can win a primary, he can certainly campaign and endorse the person. The candidate can in any case become part of paulcongress, we wish for VERGO good qualified smart candidates with honesty and respect.

Give him a break....

he actually reads the legislation he votes on. There is only so much the man can do.

And as far as Oregon goes, 15% is great. One of the best results we've gotten from a primary. Yah we might have been able to do better, but all things considered... I'm happy with it.

Do you really think...

Do you really think that he is serving his country (or his district for that matter) more by being on the short end of another 500 to 1 congressional vote, than he would by winning a primary?!?!?

I LOVE the man (and his book), but I just can't buy his priorities right now.

Sorry bud. The guy can only

Sorry bud. The guy can only do so many things at once. He may have figured you guys had it under control and tried to put forth his efforts in a state that needed more attention. You oregonians aren't known to be a bunch of cry baby whiners. wtf is up?

I agree

He is going to blow what could have been a popular vote victory in Idaho. And I know of 4 events that were cancelled because he would not attend. He spent 2 weeks in Iowa, and 2 hours in Idaho, the reddest red state?
Anybody reading this from the campaign? It is not too late - a surprise Memorial Weekend campaign tour would WIN this state, I still believe. The people here do NOT want McCain! NO signs, NO bumper stickers - NOTHING. If the aliens landed here they would think it was a race between Ron Paul and Obama. (OK, one bumper sticker that said "John McCain, If I have to, I guess.")

Don't Forget......

No media coverage about him campaigning or still being in the race.He gets mentioned once a week unlike the others that get mentioned multiple times during the course of a day. He can't cover a entire state at length. Most people pick their candidate based on who the media says which "little darling" is the front runner or nominee. Mr. Lee I can only hope that you did your part to help Ron Paul get elected by knocking on doors and passing out slim jims etc....etc....etc....

Yeah...

15% is GREAT considering the media has given the nomination to McCain already.

They get mentioned 100's of times per day. Not just "multiple times".

One word: Diebold

One word: Diebold

Can't blame diebold

It's a mail in vote.

So jzneff Why Don't You Tell Everyone At dailypaul.....

how the votes were counted? By machine maybe? Oh that's right you're not responding to me right?

Paper Ballots,Hand Counted At The Precinct Or Bust

He does have a job, you know

He is an elected representative for his people in Texas 14th district. He takes his job seriously and never misses work. He has even cancelled campaign events when his job has required his presence, for an important vote or debate, for example.

Accordingly, he cannot campaign the way three certain absentee Senators seem to be able to do.

Amen!

You are absolutely right.

How many invitations

did he turn down?

Paul Congress

We have to take control of the party back from the neocons, go to
www.paulcongress.com to get info on RP candidates in your state.

Davy C Rockett

http://www.thelibertypost...
http://screamfreedom.blog...
http://liberty-central.bl...

Hang tough Oregon

15% is awesome!

This hero thing is one at a time.

You guys are heroes!

No he does not want to be president

That's not the objective anymore. He's made that pretty clear, I thought. The objective is now to change the political philosophy of the U.S. through other means, such as education, and get other libertarians elected to other offices. And to get as many delegates as possible in the process so he can speak at the convention.

Maybe he thought he could reach more people by promoting his book than campaigning in Oregon. That would be a rational decision.

L@@K - he is still in the race

so please quit second guessing everything Ron Paul does.

Diebold will only allow him so many votes - regardless.

Keep the faith!

Can you imagine when he is the REAL nominee what the Presidential debates will actually sound like?

They would only vote for Dr. Paul. So, please keep the faith, fight for Ron Paul candidates - or better yet - BE a RP candidate in your own town, city, state!

Good idea

For big numbers of folks to become RP candidates would certainly help,