Do You Feel a Draft?

I will not serve and I will run to the hills if the paper comes in the mail. I will not kill poor people so rich people can get richer. You get the picture? You know Paul had it right when he asked the churches why they were honoring rich people. He said isn't it rich people that take you're sons and daughters for war?

then all the criminals ... and all of our wonderful celebrities and how about all of the senators and congressmens children and grandchildren ... they can kiss my butt.

If you didnt have those Civies there, which approximatly makes up about 30 percent or more (CANT REMEMBER), there would surely BE A DRAFT....

A volunteer (ALTHOUGH WELL PAID) is better than the political tourmoil at home if there was a draft.... Comprende....\

I am DEF not defending the corporations who are excessively war profiteering...

By the way, I have been in Afghanistan as a Civilian, and my job actually saved lives and tons of money, and I did not even have a gun.... Not condoning it, but its a fact.... Besides, I used the inflationary money that the Gov payed me, and found my freedom....

It funded my departure from the United States...

In God We Trust!

Feel a draft? Shut the door!

draft for men and women between the ages of 18 and 42. It's been shoved aside before, but he keeps bringing it back.

Are there any options by joining a state militia? Can a person claim sanctuary as a militia soldier? Jyst a thougght... I once heard that a person can.

That would be interesting now that UK, Canadian & US & Carribean trade unions have just agreed to join forces. (News just in btw).

'I always think of all you canvassors and precinct leaders and delegates at the front line and caucuses.
Good luck out there &Thank you. You're a gift.

If they do have a draft, that might be just what we need to wake the mass of sheep up and get them thinking about their rights. I know if they do, most of the people drafted won't go is what I think. I know I sure as hell won't go,...and it has nothing to do with "being afraid to fight" or scared or any of that bullshit,...it is simply that the government doesn't own my life and never will.

I'm especially thinking of the veterans of the Vietnam War today. I remember how so many were drafted, sent to Vietnam - and so many came home in body bags. For what exactly? Vietnam is another example of a war we should have never got involved in.

I know several Vietnam veterans. A guy I went to school with died in that war, as did the brother of a friend of mine. My heart goes out to those families just as it does for those who have died in the war in Iraq.

For those who lost a friend or family member in the war, there is a website I just found out about where you can go to leave a personal message about the person you knew. It is a way of honoring the person who died in the war. If you are interested in doing so, here is the site address:

http://www.footnote.com

Start contacting your representitives and voice your opposition to any draft or manditory service. I did.

We will not submit to it.

thing?There are none so blind as those who will not see!

Whether or not it’s the euro, the dollar, the pharma or the oil ya . . . or who’s “party”. Our problem with society is endemic everywhere in the world. It’s the direction the “machine is going”. There is a lack of compassion for all living things and creatures. . . the bees, the bats, the orchards, the herbs, the cows and the pigs, and people to name a few. We are being lied to and manipulated as mere atoms to be shoved around at a Las Vegas crap table.

My passion is the sustainability of the planet and quality of life for everyone. Quality of life is being able to sit down and have healthy meal in peace and not being intimidated by gangs either. Everyone needs shelter. My life is not religion or politic or yours (equally confusing and manipulative). What troubles me is that all living creatures and things are being pushed into extinction or poisoned. Local access to organic, living foods are being stripped away or modified with wonton abandon.

Would you join an army if it declared martial law on Congress and the Senate? Or stood in front of Monsanto? Would you draft and arm the immigrants if they too wanted Ron Paul for President? Would you fund an “ecological” army with directives “to respect all living things and creatures, not to be sacrificed at the alter of any government or ideology”.

Really? You want a better world? Then start with your local terrorist. They are called city planners and blind developers; they are called doctors who shove pharmaceuticals down your throat. They are your fellow citizens with their heads in the sand. They are called local elected officials that take bribes and sneak in ‘last minute” agendas. Get serious. They need to be replaced with persons of a greater aspirations of vision. Enforce your growth caps. You are the army! Do it. Do it now. The war is on.

And a word for you self proclaimed gods of the world, get over it. And don’t laugh at me for hugging a tree. And before you make any choice, the first question is, how does it impact local accessabiltiy to quality foods. You know, like for every oil well, drill a water well for the people. For every suburb, bring back the local truck farms as you paved paradise. This will automatically control excessive population growth. The following paragraph is you’re greatest weapon and you can do it now.

Choose to eat a plant-centered diet. Eat more organic, locally grown vegetables and grains, less meat, less dairy. Eat as close to vegetarian as you are comfortable with. Make the proper food and exercise choices and you wont be so sick, and can think more clearly and have more energy for this global movement.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
So, what's you're army fighting for?

"MANDATORY SERVICE"

If you saw the MTV debates both democratic candidates brought up this term as a veiled threat of draft. Barack and Hillary have talked about it in other debates, but this debate with its focus on young people was especially striking. Hillary is a known close friend of Rangels (the subhuman who proposed HR393-Mandatory Service).

I hope the service people in Iraq can have the courage to lay down their weapons in protest of this war.

I wanted to also add something about the cost per service member being too high.

These days much of the work in the military which used to be done by soldiers is now being done by businesses, at great profit. Big business builds the bases, feeds the solders, takes care of utilities, etc, etc.

The Sundance Channel ran a documentary back in the fall about the gross excess spending by the government on various Iraq related jobs.

They interviewed one solder who said he liked to wash his own clothes because they turned out better than the laundromat. He was forced, ordered by his commanding officer, to have the laundromat do his clothes. The laundromat (at least on that base) was paid $99 per load of laundry. $99!!!!!!!!!

Then they showed video of a parking lot full of Cadillac Escalades which were provided to civilian office workers to drive from their quarters to their office (nothing off base). Sundance (or whoever made the documentary) reported that the military paid $50,000 per year for 5 years to GM for EACH Cadillac Escalade. $250,000 total for SUVs which should only cost maybe $55k or so.

I also recall something about computer lab technicians/monitors getting paid low six figures to basically sit and watch soldiers sign-in to use a computer. Civilian employees earning crazy amounts yet again when the military could easily train soldiers to do these jobs for significantly less cost.

Retired members of the special forces hired through companies at somewhere around 5x the cost of the average soldier...

It costs the military $126,000 per soldier on average because they waste so much money, not because soldiers are actually that expensive.

Senator Charles Rangel is the one who has been trying to get forced national service for all people aged 18 through 42 for years. Last vote on his bill, hr 393, was 2 for and 402 against. Rangel has stated that he sponsored the bill in order to make a point about the war, but I do not trust that notion.

HR 393 is waiting in the wings of congress for when they need to use it.

Personally, I would voluntarily join to defend our nation if we were under attack. But I would never serve, draft or no draft, for an unconstitutional war. This is pretty much why "involuntary servitude" is specified in the 13th amendment. The founders knew that government would not have to force people to defend their homeland. Regarding drafts, technically (and as far as I understand it) it is not forced service as the joining stage of the draft is a voluntary action (when the ask all people who are joining the Army to take one step forward; that was a voluntary step forward). Anyhow...

Not enough volunteers? Raise combat pay until there are.

Contractors for firms like Blackwater in Iraq start at about $150K annually, and many make several times that. That tells me that there is a price at which more servicemen and women will come on board, and it is higher than what we're now paying them.

Still not enough volunteers? Close some bases and transfer staff.

Still not enough? How about just ending the war?

Hey, why not? Slaves are always cheaper than employees. And as a side bonus, they can rid the USA of a fair number of those traitorous "Constitutionalists" at the same time, and kill two pro-liberty birds with one neocon stone!

What are they going to do break in to people's houses that really don't want to go and kidnap people? Who are they going to get to do the kidnappings? And they really want kidnapped people fighting for them? They do that and there will be a lot more friendly fire.

I would gladly sign up. I am not getting shot at so some assholes behind the scenes can take over the world with their we want to spread democracy and freedom which is a bunch of crap, they want to civilize the world so they can control us all. I was in the Marine Corps and was ready to die for my country, I wouldn't sweat a drop of sweat for George Bush or Dickhead Cheney. Ron Paul, I would take a bullet for because he is the true definition of a leader and I would have faith in his judgement for war. I wouldn't be second guessing what I was fighting for if Ron Paul were the commander in chief. I would let my son go to war if it was justified also, but we cannot trust these politician scumbags. If my son were to get drafted, I would snatch him up and get the hell out of here. Like I said, if it were justified, I would accept that he had to go, not by say from this current government or the up and coming one, No Way. I respect the military and the job that they do, I feel bad for them that they have such an idiot as a leader.

Stalled in commitee waiting for a new pearl harbor like events! oh wait that already happened! WORLD WAR THREE HERE WE COME There are none so blind as those who will not see!

I am currently active duty, USN. Been in for 8 years, and I can say confidently that I don't want anyone who is forced into the service to be working on nuclear reactors along side me. We get enough people who are volunteers who already hate being in. I could only imagine what morale would be if the draft was instituted.

Not only that, but to hear our "representatives" talking about living, breathing youth (and even middle-aged folks) like tools or bullet-points on a brief is disgusting.

I don't even know what else to say, other than I am extremely disappointed at the nerve of these clowns to believe this is acceptable.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!! can anyone say insurrection of epic proportions????

Ron Paul should have been driving this home during the heat of the campaign.

This effects everyone! All men and women, between the ages of 18 to 42. Those not able to serve in the military would be utilized (and relocated) by homeland security.

i think he believed in what he said, but he truly did not understand how the federal reserve controlled the "free" economy or the very power of the warfare state. largely, i think reagan was an unintentional puppet. remember, Grimwald was his counselor, whispering in his ear all the while, plotting his NWO takeover with his crony neocons. Got it just solid enough to pass onto sonny bwoy.

Anyone who votes for the draft would be bounced out of their cushy jobs at the voters' next opportunity.

-jcr

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"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto

In the term of ~Manditory National Service~.

All the popular candidates have used the term... we are told that our children will not only be grateful for serving our country, they'll get college money for it.

So instead of Hitler youth we'll have Obama youth... blah

Next year, probably.

if a draft were reinstated. We are fighting UNJUST wars. It just goes on and on and on. The powers that are behind the wars care NOTHING about the military men and women. Proof of that can be seen in the substandard care of those who have been wounded so badly that they will not be returning to duty. Don't get me wrong......I stand behind every single patriot who is out there fighting and who will be fighting in the future. I pray that God will protect our troops. That said, I also pray that God will protect all of the innocent civilians who are caught up on the chessboard of the silly game that our government (CFR, Bilderberg, etc.) has entered into for their own twisted reasons. I just wish that more of our military personnel would read the part of the constitution that says "foreign AND domestic". They could serve us well here in our own country!!!!!

As a veteran of the first Gulf war, I am saddened by the current abuse of our military.

I will never surrender my children to the state. Never.

-LF

In a free society, we should have no problem getting enough volunteers. (Only if we change to a more constitutional foreign policy and live within our means.) If freedom is lost, the volunteers will disappear, because there will be nothing left to fight for.

To quote Ronald Reagan:

Conscription rests on the assumption that your kids belong to the state. If we buy that assumption then it is for the state — not for parents, the community, the religious institutions or teachers — to decide who shall have what values and who shall do what work, when, where and how in our society. That assumption isn’t a new one. The Nazis thought it was a great idea.

America was founded on the principle of individual liberty — that the government exists to serve, not enslave, the people. Yet conscription is a form of slavery, a horrible and costly exception to America’s founding principle. It is morally repugnant to the ideals of a free society.

Without the draft, unpopular wars are very difficult to fight. The ability to use conscription actually encourages politicians to wage even more wars — the massive resources are a temptation that is hard for the war-lover to resist. When the draft was finally undermined in the 1970s, for example, the Vietnam War ended.

What can I say? On this, I agree with Reagan. Never thought I'd say that.

"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto