if you dont own a gun you are not a PATRIOT!!! UPDATED!!!

I don’t know if owning guns is an absolute requirement for being a patriot; just make sure you don’t, actively or passively, do anything to prevent others from owning them.

Also, the second recognizes the right to own arms sufficient to deter the government. None of the govts enumerated powers include one to regulate what kind of arms people can keep and bear. The intention was for the people to be able to stand up to the govt., not to plink, hunt or shoot burglars.

Remember that when asked to accept ‘reasonable’ limits on what kind of arms people should be able to own. And I don’t mean to argue in favor of unlimited civilian access to nuclear warheads. I personally believe even people as patriotic as Jefferson would have flinched at that, had they lived in a nuclear age. Besides, as bad as the Bushies, Renos and Clintons may be, I honestly don’t think they would stoop to nuking entire cities.

As was recently displayed in Eldorado, TX, the govt. will likely come at you in large numbers, wearing bullet ‘proof’ garb, and with armored vehicles and helicopters. Having an ar15 with the currently civilian legal, non Kevlar penetrating ammo really won’t get you very far in such a situation. It also, and this is more important, won’t deter the govt from attacking in the first place.

In other countries, where similar government transgressions are more common than here, the story, and the respective governments’ weapons of choice, are much the same.

Based on this, and what kind of arms the mujahidin used to successfully repel that other nuclear superpower back in the 80’s, I think a good case can be made for allowing civilian ownership of the kind of arms necessary to repel a Waco, Ruby Ridge and Eldorado style attack, and farm out defenses against full on Soviet nuclear war to some level of government. I believe the founders could have gone along with that.

I would hence like to see armor piercing ammo legalized, as well as anti tank and anti helicopter missiles of short to medium range. As well as machine guns, armored vehicles and medium range artillery. The idea is to give people as much leeway as possible when it comes to defending themselves, while putting some kind of upper limit on the offensive capabilities of the inevitable random nut. Also, keep in mind that allowing this kind of weapons nationally, does not mean every densely populated city would be forced to allow them. Even back when America was free, there were churches; private land and possibly towns that put limits on what weapons could be brought inside their jurisdictions.

Of course, as of current, it seems unlikely that any of us will be able to cast a vote giving us back the freedom to constrain the govt. this way, but it is still something I hope all of you would consider. Especially those that came to Ron Paul primarily for his anti war stand, as well as those who might feel proper respect for the second is restored as soon as you are allowed to carry a concealed snubnose.

Guns are the answer to some, but I think you can be a dedicated pacifist and still be a patriot. Some men were born to hold a post, and some men were born to practice non-violent resistance.

The man in Tienanmen Square standing up to a tank armed with only his massive intestinal fortitude is a patriot.

The best weapon some men of the mind have is frankly just leaving if things get too bad. This country would collapse if the top 2% of minds just packed up and fled tomorrow...a non-violent way to bring about change is simply to remove yourself.

I do not see Ron Paul as agame hunter, gun toten, shootem up kind of guy. But I know damn well if I were to invade his home, my ass would be shot on the spot. Zero questions asked.

Gun ownership is a big responsability, but knowing how to use it and never using it unless things go bad is still a good move.

a gun will get you food too.

I am a female who did not want guns in my home whatsoever but I eventually changed my thinking while attending a gun safety course, (husband an avid hunter) I became a confident gun owner when you know YOU are in control of the gun not the other way around.

This post, while well-intentioned, is simply irresponsible.

While I understand the point, simply owning a gun and ammo does not make one a patriot. A real patriot can hit a man-size target from 500 yards or better.

Proper training of yourself and all members of your household is essential for responsible gun ownership and suppression of tyranny.

People, gun ownership is a lifestyle choice, and if you are not prepared to be responsible and learn and train how to actually use a rifle or pistol, than do yourself a favor and buy gold or silver instead.

Full disclosure: I don't own any firearms and would very much like to purchase a rifle, but until I am ready to make that leap and significant investment of time and money, for the safety of myself and my family, I will hold off until I know my wife and kids will accompany me to the rifle range to learn as well.

Having all members of my household embrace and exercise their 2nd amendment rights is just as important as me embracing my 2nd amendment rights.

And hopefully we will beat the clock and get some experience with firearms before the complete suppression of our 2nd amendment rights is fulfilled by the state. Here in NJ the clock is ticking very loudly.

Even the NWO couldn't handle 30 Million pissed off Americans with guns. It reminds me of the story of the Roman leader who suggested that all the slaves wear white armbands to identify them. Another, wiser leader said "No, if they see how many of them there really are, they will revolt."

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I have to applaud you for starting this post.

While I recognize that you have the true and proper understanding of the 2nd Amendment in mind (to protect one from tyranny), you have to remember that many others do not OR they do, but choose not to use firearms. They do not equate this to cowardice. They use what skills they have without resorting to the use of arms.

One cannot ALWAYS use arms to influence and infiltrate. In fact, in some circumstances, it is a must that you should relinquish your firearms to gain entry into certain "situations".

"The mind is the most dangerous weapon. The free mind even more so."-J. Malachi

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Impolite and impatient pedantic putz.

ownership doesn't make much sense to me. Having, and be willing to use a gun, might protect your freedom and your family- agreed.

I also don't like this idea that we are slaves. Paying taxes, voting, being a responsible citizen, participating in government are NOT attributes of slavery.

seriously training to use it (them). May folks have guns, but do not know the safe and efficient use ( and care ) of them !!!

Time to begin transforming those simple "Meet-up" groups into training seminars for educating and preparing local citizens on the correct use and conduct with firearms.

It is also a great idea to visit local gun shows as a group and rub shoulders with others who "keep & bear arms". Group purchase of ammo and or the basics ( brass, powder, primers etc. ) to fabricate it is also a good idea.

*** NOTE : ... If I were the CO of one of the major arms manufactures, I would consider a "Ron Paul Patriot" model. Built it to last ( just like our constitution ) and price it in GOLD & SILVER exchange.

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Some people don't own guns because they are sane enough to know that they would use it, probably on a daily basis.

you live in a state where you don't have to jump through hoops and pay multiple fees just to "be allowed" to have a firearm in your house? And another license and fee to actually take it out of your house? Just a guess... Well. here in good ol' Mass., it's a 100% Democrat run, gun-grabbing government (ooh, unless Kennedy steps down - then we may have a chance at having 1 Republican/pro-gunner). Don't get ME wrong...I'm in the process of doing things the "legal" way, but an AK-47 is not the weapon of choice for me.
To everyone, though, look into a gun/hunter safety course, sponsored by your state's Fish and Wildlife Department. You don't have to be "Jonesing to kill Bambi", but it's FREE to be educated in the safe handling of a firearm (for whenever). The taxes/fees that gun/crossbow shoppers pay covers the cost of the training. The classes are filling up REALLY QUICKLY!
Hmmm, I want to ask the volunteer course instructors if it's in this much demand every year, or especially THIS year! ;)

In Switzerland, every draft-age male is required to maintain a firearm in his home, yet the Swiss murder rate is only 15 percent of the U.S. rate. An added benefit is that no foreign enemy has invaded Switzerland in centuries. Israel, which has the most heavily armed populace, has a negligible crime rate.

But the record of strict gun regulations in other countries is quite dismal. In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians were exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938. and from 1939 to 1945 13 million Jews and others were exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935; from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents were exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964, and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians were exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970 — from 1971 to 1979, 300,000 people were exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956, and from 1975 to 1977 one million educated people were exterminated.A more recent example, the British Broadcasting Company reported on May 10, 2000, that the United Nations convinced the people of Sierra Leone to turn in their private weapons for UN protection during the recent civil war. The result was disastrous. The people ended up defenseless when UN troops, unable to protect even themselves, were taken hostage by rebels moving on the capital of Freetown.
Estimates run as high as 56 million people who have been exterminated in the 20th century because gun control left them defenseless.

In today's day, perhaps your title should read, if you don't own a nuclear bomb, you are not a Patriot. You stand just as much of a chance against the government with a butter knife or a toothpick, just as leathal in the right hands. The more people who buy guns, the richer the arms dealers become.
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HEY! Why dont we all just post rants to attack each others sense of patriotism? That could be one heck of an argument hmm? wow just add to the division...that should really help us out a lot!...

I'd prefer to have a Black-Hawk, then at least I could take a few out? Will Dr. Paul's, mine or our message of a peaceful R3volution not work?

Wow..this is as bad as the "if you don't support the war you aren't a patriot" argument..I guess I'm not a patriot in either sense..Sad. Being a patriot does not consist of killing SWAT team members. It consists of fighting for liberty on a scale that is bigger than yourself. We have the right to own a gun. We don't have to do anything to be anyone. We are humans before Americans and serve our own interests before the ones of our country.

The IRS, the Federal Reserve bandits…

The Secret Service tried to kill my father for telling people they weren’t even being allowed to use money; that every [so-called] dollar unit represented a huge minus balance owed the filthy bankers. My family and I were laughed at and ridiculed by a confused and/or indignant public, but we kept on chuggin’ because we were fighting for your liberty.

My whole family and I were almost killed. The IRS, bankers, judges, and lawyers worked together to steal everything we had; we left Rapid City, South Dakota at about midnight during a blizzard with little more than the clothes on our backs.

These days I’m physically handicapped; don’t really know for sure whether I have the dexterity to use a gun anymore, so I don’t keep one around anymore.

Be careful what you say. Not that I’m at all offended. Truth be known, you might be right for the most part.

--Cliff Treadway, Sioux City, Iowa

… it will be at 3:00 AM. There will be at least two dozen thugs dressed in ninja suits carrying fully automatic weapons. They will kill you and your whole family without a second thought long before you get your hands on your trusty 12 gauge or even have time to wipe the sleep from your eyes.

The time for taking action against these bastards was at least 50 years ago. They now control all of the money, food, property, transportation, supply lines, airwaves, weapons and all sort of other ungodly devices to bring the masses to heal. The next thing to go will be the internet. I can guarantee that the vast majority of so-called "armed" patriots will become very docile and cooperative with an empty stomach or when your house is being bombarded with radio waves to drive you insane.

Good luck with your Wal-Mart, Chinese made shotgun… Patriot.

Who will be able to do battle with the Beast?… with mere guns, no less. If anything can defeat these monsters, it will have to be love for one another and a burning desire for freedom in the hearts of all Americans and the rest of the world.

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams

Trying to tell others they not patriotic if they don't do something to your liking is in my opinion absurdly arrogant.