I'm having a debate with a fascist, imperialistic pig...

that I work with.

We've been going back and forth for weeks talking about the freedom that I want vs. whatever the hell it is that he wants.

It started like this today...

I sent him a copy of the article, "Bush Power Grab Since 911
Scholar Urges Candidates Debate Role of President's Usurpation of Power"

As a joke, he replies saying that I can't send him any more e-mails about the government unless I can be more positive. He knows that will never happen.

But it did...

I sent him this...

"OK, here's a positive one for ya....

In Oregon, Barack Obama had 75,000 people show up to his rally. McCain already has enough delegates to has cinched the nomination. Most people think he's the only republican left in the race.

Ron Paul still got 15% of the votes in the republican primary in Oregon.

That's positive. There are some freedom-lovers left in this country."

He replied...

"A few dissidents does not count as a movement, or even reality.

The reason people think McCain is the only Republican candidate is because he is. Ron Paul's 15% is nothing more than the Prince Mongo vote. Prince Mongo is a gentlemen who runs for mayor of Memphis every election. He is a certifiable nutcase and gets 15 - 20% of the vote each election. This proves ANYBODY can get 15 - 20% of the vote just by staying in the race.

Sorry to be the bearer of reality."

I sent this back...

"Ron Paul has over a million votes, even though the nomination was decided on Super Tuesday... and with a virtual corporate media blackout of his campaign.

He got an avg of 9 minutes speaking time out of 90 in most of the debates... still won all of them. Text polls and internet polls.

He got hardly any money from corporations, only from individuals for the most part, and he still raised more money than any other republican candidate with the exception of McCain.

He raised $6 million in one day over the internet, without his campaign lifting a finger... the avg donation was $114. That's over 50,000 donors in one day.

His book has been #1 on the NYTimes and Amazon Best Seller Lists.

Over 40 "Ron Paul Republicans" are running for office all over the country. The new Senator in New Jersey, typically a dem... will be Murray Sabrin... a libertarian endorsed by Ron Paul.

That's a movement."

His reply...

"This just shows that when people need change they will go after it, no matter how poorly thought out that change is. As I have said before: Ron Paul has good ideas until you see how he would implement those ideas, then they just fall apart.

The Libertarians frighten me. Many of their views would make sense if the US was the only country on earth. As it is NOT the only country (just the best) many of their ideas make no sense at all."

Me...

"You have a twisted view of libertarians in my opinion. Just an opinion.

The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution from a very libertarian point of view... to limit the size and scope of government.

I we aren't going to do that... we might as well throw away the Constititution and start over.

We had a FREE country, a free market, a capitalist society where the government left people alone.

Slowly but surely, as it always happens, the government has encroached upon our lives and dug into our wallets.

Freedom is what made this country great.

Now it is a over-regulated, fascist/socialist police state over-taxed and overrun by beauracrats. The libertarians are the only ones who want to change that."

Him...

"Ok, I'll agree we disagree..."

Me...

"I had a job, that paid decent... doing what I love to do... managing/hanging out in the pool hall.

Good looking waitresses and bar tenders. Pool players. Hanging out around my hobby.

They enacted a smoking ban in the city or Auburn and the Bumper's Billiard in Aubrun had to shut it's doors... they lost too much business after the smoking ban to operate at a profit.

I got replaced by the manager from the Auburn store because he had seniority. All the people in Auburn lost their jobs. The owner lost one of his stores.

This is just one tiny example of the government stifling freedom and creating unnecessary problems for business owners and citizens.

This guy owns a business, catering to people who, for the most part, smoke cigarettes. The gov said he can't cater to those people in his own business.

What's next, we can't drink in the bar either?"

Him...

"The habit and the friend are the minority. The program is designed to protect the non-smoking majority from the negative health effects caused by the choices of the smoking minority. Your friends business is an unfortunate consquence of catering to the minority."

Oh boy, did this one get me going!

Me...

"WRONG!!

#1, I don't believe 2nd hand smoke is that hazardous. You might can show me studies, but I can show you studies too.

#2, This is exactly the problem with our country. Everyone thinks we're supposed to be a democracy, because the corporate media keeps beating that in everyone's head... and just because all the brainwashed idiots vote for something, that's the way it should be.

The business is owned by someone... who caters to who he wants to cater to. If you don't want to go in a business that allows smoking, then you don't have to go. That's how a truly free country works. Individual rights. Property rights. Control and ownership by the individual... not by the state. Control by the state is FASCISM.

Every seen those signs that say a business owner can refuse service to anyone for any reason? Then shouldn't he also be able to serve anyone he wants? It's his business, after all.

If the business owner would rather cater to the minority... then he is FREE to do so. In fact, in his particular type of business, he's catering to THE MAJORITY. The majority of people who go to pool halls and bars smoke cigarettes. It's not a restaurant... it's not a doctor's office... it's a BAR. Just like you're free to choose whether to go there or not, he's free to allow anyone in that he wants. The bar in Auburn had to close down because all his customers decided to play pool league in a bar just outside the city limits where they could smoke. They ruined a man's business by forcing his patrons to go elsewhere. Patrons that had been going there for years. What kind of free country is that? What kind of property rights are those?

Thomas Jefferson said, "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

It's like having 4 wolves and 3 sheep sitting at the dinner table voting on what's for dinner.

This is not what our Founder's envisioned. They hated the idea of pure democracy. They hated the idea of political parties. They wanted a Constitutional Republic with the rule of law being the Constitution... not the beauracrat.

There are 5 types of governmental systems... monarchy (rule by one), oligarchy (rule by a group), democracy (rule by the majority), republic (rule by law), and anarchy (no rule at all).

Monarchy is not really a true system because the king always has his court... that makes it an oligarchy. Anarchy is only good for transitions from one to the other, such as in a coup or overthrow of a government by it's citizens. That leaves a republic or a democracy. The Founders gave us a republic because a democracy always stifles freedom for the individual.

A woman asked Ben Franklin after the Constitutional Convention, "What have you given us, Mr. Franklin?" He said,

"A republic ma'am... if you can keep it."

We've lost it. We're now a pseudo-democracy that's really an oligarchy."

That prompted a discussion out loud that got half the people in the office involved. I think I won the debate because no one could explain to me how it was right that a business could refuse service to anyone but at the say time not have the right to choose to serve anyone they wished.

Hey, I may have a bunch of sheep in my office... but at least I'm getting the conversation going in the right direction. Maybe I can wake one or two of them up.

Just wanted to share and get any comments that might be helpful.