Ron Paul = C-I-A- Bob Barr??? Golwater's FREEDOM Movement = REAGAN!
Posted May 24th, 2008 by borisimo
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This is the real threat to the present and maybe final revolution. IF Goldwater's Movement gave us Reagan; Could the Ron Paul movement give us another false conservative? The NWO knows how to manipulate and co-opt movements.
"The youthful zeal of the Paul movement “does recall the early Goldwater movement, which was also jam-packed with people dropping out of graduate school, college, maybe even high school, to devote themselves 24/7 to what they called the ‘revolution,’ ” said Rick Perlstein, author of “Before the Storm: Barry Goldwater and the Unmaking of the American Consensus” (Hill and Wang, 2002).
And such movements don’t always stay in the margins forever, he said, adding that the young supporters who stumped for Goldwater’s failed presidential bid helped lay the seeds for the Reagan revolution 16 years later.",...
The only thing that can prevent it is an strict adherence to our INTEGRITY. We must accept nothing less than pure constitutional adherence from our leaders. We will accept no wishy constitution slow washers. Nor will we accept compromise and dilution.
Do you think this Revolution is different? Don't think they will try to co-opt us? Why?
Boris in Miami
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I agree the effort must be
I agree the effort must be placed on RNC alone with RP message.
Have you Bob Barr
supporters lost faith in our delegates. Our delegates have been doing one hell of a job. We must keep the faith in the delegates. They aren't thinking about a second choice and neither should we.
Well, for me
I'm going to vote for who ever Dr. Paul supports and he most likely won't say until election time. Peace
Didn't Paul say some good things about Barr?
I know Barr keeps saying how he worked with Paul. Was he on his staff for four years, or something?
Supposedly Barr was never for the Patriot Act but in order to influence it and get on the committe, he had to vote for it. That is what an article said. But, for some reason, that is not the way he explains it himself.
Root is the worst thing about this ticket, unless Barr really is under cover. But is there absolutely no way that a CIA agent can be a good guy?? I mean, some people surely get in there without knowing what is going on. Even the CFR supposedly has some innocent good people in it.
Who cares what BARR SAYS! HE VOTED PATRIOT ACT! "WAS" CIA
Actions and votes, not words! We will not sell out! We WILL keep our INTEGRITY! We will ACCEPT nothing less than the example RP has shown.
Boris in Miami
Bob Barr is a f**king mole.
Bob Barr is a f**king mole. If you are too stupid to see that it's your problem. Don't plague the dailyPAUL with your idiocy. kthxbye.
I vote for a...
Barr FREE ZONE.
I might just start bashing Barr for the heck of it if his minions keep posting on DAILY PAUL!!!!!!
Please I wish you all the best of luck please start Daily Barr.
Note: I know this poster is not a Barr supporter trying to steal from the Revolution.
The point of the post is that BARR is a SEE Aiiii hey Mole!
Search his past and you will find that he worked for the See aiii hey for 7 or 8 years
Amen Brother
It's actually a good thing the LP's been hijacked by the neocons. It leaves the RP Revolution to those who understand it, and allows us to focus. The LP has taken one more step to irrelevancy.
Barr is not a neocon. Read
Barr is not a neocon. Read these posts and get educated:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Barr voted for the Patriot
Barr voted for the Patriot Act, and that's all I need to know.
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yeah he is and so are you if
yeah he is and so are you if you endorse that douche. Foreign interventionist policy, more drug war, no mention of ending the federal reserve, former member of the CIA. That is ALL the Revolution needs to hear. Get on with your Barr BS. This the dailyPAUL son.
Yes Barr is an infiltrator with his pal Root
The NeoCons will do anything to bring down any chance of Ron Paul's message of Liberty including infiltrating the Libertarian party, like they've just done
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Ruwart Just said: BARR former CIA involvement & former PROSECUTE
Mary Ruwart is interviewed after the second vote in the Libertarian Convention and says that the Libertarian party is selling out by voting for Bob Barr... and loosely quoted about Bob Barr was "CIA former federal prosecuter bb has a dark past must apologize to those his votes and prosecutions have harmed.
They are selling out, they are not adhering to our principles
For a neocon platform and it has been sold out. Supports foreign aid to Colombia This is just not a Libertarian platform" (more)
Mary Ruward talks about why she thinks if Bob Barr is elected the Libertarian Party will have sold out and become irrelevant.
She says that instead of seeking the main stream media spotlight of Barr, the Libertarian Party should elect her and use the internet media and the strategy of Ron Paul and at the same time appealing to his supporters.
She also said that she won't be VP to Barr.
I've been saying this all along, you're right borisimo
The Libertarian has just sold out to "the enemy" and Mary Ruwart and Christine Smith (the 2 women candidates, coincidentally) were the only ones to see and warn about this.
The Libertarian Party has
The Libertarian Party has never been nor ever will be "my" party.
Not after this. Until now I
Not after this. Until now I was bored-but-reserving-judgment.
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BLAKMIRA I CAN'T Believe how many RP "supporters" want * BARR!
Did you read the article on the front page titled "The Tone of the Revolution"?
It has been in the front page of daily paul for three days. If the co-opting of the Libertarian Party is any indication, we are in for a huge fight to keep our revolution un-compromised and with-hold its integrity.
Please let me know what you think about the article. I really think that this is one of our most pressing issues. We must agree that we will never accept any ex * into our fold, no compromise! No Negotiation! No allowing the establishment to co-opt us.
Thanks!
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Boris in Miami
Those that support Barr are only POSING as RP Supporters
No Ron Paul supporter would ever accept such a blatant anti-Liberty former CIA-member.
We know what Ron Paul stands for and the one thing that shines about him is his impeccable record of voting for everything he stands for -- the opposite of Barr.
One look at Bob Barr's record and he is rejected by any true Ron Paul supporter. We know how to research the facts and we have good instincts about who is trying to steal away Ron Paul supporters -- as Barr's posse has been attempting.
These are just Bob Barr trolls posing as Ron Paul supporters writing anti-Ron Paul articles while masquerading as "Libertarians."
The Truth Will Prevail.
Ron Paul Supporters will NOT be fooled again.
I've been saying this all along, you're right borisimo
over-enthusiastic double post
Template for co-opting the revolution
Fighting means sacrifice, big sacrifice. I believe I do not have enough information to judge Ronald Reagan, but he was a man who hungered for success. Therefore, he had an achilles heal. But we have not had a president in recent history who did more to slow the NWO in his early years.
The Bush Dynasty has had us on a fast track. Clinton was a slacker, but not a resister. George Bush has us back on overdrive. John McCain -- more of the same. Obama -- the first communist president. Clinton II -- NWO shill for success.
Aaron Russo is the template for how the revolution gets co-opted peacefully. Listen to his story carefully. He pretty much tells us everything we need to know. I've met many people in the revolution who will sell us out -- at stage one. Bob Barr? Looks a little problematic. I say, give him another 20 years to prove himself.
1. First they offer you money and influence.
2. Take the influence, they control you. Take the money, they own you.
3. Failing this, they try to kill you.
Look at every leader killed. It is always after marginalizing has failed.
First they ignore (silencing).
Then they laugh (marginalizing).
Then they fight (money/influence first, death second)
Then you win (if you're not dead).
Just walk the walk and talk the talk Borisimo. That's all we ask. If you don't sell out when they offer you millions, we'll thank you.
I would vote for Reagan in a heartbeat
If was between Bush, Clinton, Gore, Obama, McCain, Ford, Nixon, Eisenhowner, and a whole host of others I would vote for Reagan. He wasn't perfect but he was 1000 times better.
As far as Co-Opting the revolution WHO IS THEY - the only people that can stop the revolution is us. If we get complacent and don't participate and think everything is okay, then we will lose. Bob Barr is a good friend of Ron Paul, Bob Barr was the person who brought forth the decree that if Ron Paul should lose the Republican Nomination that the Libertarian Party should nominate him.
The only people that don't want Bob Barr are McCain NeoCon supporters.
BALONEY! No one with
BALONEY! No one with constitutional principles would vote for a signatory to the Patriot Act!
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yeah who are you bedr1 to read motives of other people
and tag people who truly love Ron Paul and his message "McCain Neocon supporters"? How dare you.
Bob Barr is not a "good friend" of Ron Paul's either. He just knows who to ingratiate himself with to get in and infiltrate the Libertarians.
Who are you to read the motives of other people?
I support Ron Paul. I believe the Barr discussion is a distraction and divisive to the Ron Paul campaign. However, I do not go so far as to assign motive to your efforts. Indeed, I assume that some people are trying to do good things but working with bad information. Of course, others are trying to divide our effort. I do NOT support Barr, and I am certainly not a McCain supporter nor a neocon.
What is your motive? Name calling certainly looks like you are trying to be divisive.
Bob Barr VOTED for the IRAQ WAR and PATRIOT ACT!
While helping republicans and democrats who are in power by adding our voices to their good points might be a good idea. I don't see how backing or endorsing people who are not total adherents to the idea of liberty, to lead the LIBERTARIAN party would help us.
Mr. Barr voted both for the Iraqi war amd the Patriot Act. The two biggest issues in the last administration. Those two votes are consistently anti-liberty, therefore anti-libertarian.
We MUST resist the desire for quick fixes. We must maintain our INTEGRITY; otherwise we have already failed.
http://www.dailypaul.com/... This essay in more detail makes a case for not selling out, and the danger of co-opting, dilution of ideas and the dangers ahead for the revolution as already seen in the after result of the Goldwater revolution.
Boris in Miami
reagan was never the president
bush was. the gop even told him he would not get the nomination unless he had bush as a running mate.
My thoughts exactly
I did not like Bush back then, but information was not as readily available as it is now. The more one learns about him (and Prescott), the easier it is to draw that conclusion.
reagan was never the president
I agree with you coopkabob. Do you know who Bo Gritz is? He was the most highly decorated Green Beret in Viet Nam. He was instrumental in
getting Randy Weaver off the mountain at Ruby Ridge. He says that Reagan stated (after his attempted assassination) that he didn't feel a thing till the Secret Service shoved him into the car, then he felt a sharp pain in his side. The surgeon said they removed a "flechette" from near his heart. The CIA has a weapon that fires a triangular piece of steel called a flechette.
In my opinion, Reagan started to think he was the president, so Poppy Bush (former head of the CIA) had him hit.
That's trippy
I just read the script from a Larry King show 20 years after the assassination where they were talking about all of the details and one of the guys talking was that secret service agent. And the details do seem a little weird because Reagan said he didn't feel any pain until the guy landed on top of him. He thought the guy broke his rib but then he started spitting up blood. He still thought he did until they got him to the hospital.
Hmm, stranger than fiction.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
I believe Reagan sold out
I think Reagan meant every word he said because he was kept out of the party in '76. I talked to an old couple at the Arizona Republican Convention who have gone to every convention since 1968 and some national conventions. I asked them if they had ever seen it happen where they pushed one agenda at the conventions and tried to keep others out like they were doing at this one. They did not know I was a Ron Paul supporter. They said it happened only once before when Reagan was running in '76. They kept him out. They let him talk at the National convention but only after the nomination was done. So, he was not their choice. I think he was convinced to join the party or find himself with Jimmy Hoffa at the bottom of some bay. This is scary business.
Also, when Bush Sr. took office, he got rid of anything that resembled Reagan. That ought to tell you something.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Nah... I think he got the hint when they tried killing him.
Rmember?
Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?
That's right
I forgot. I realized I made an error, it wasn't James Baker, it was James Brady that got shot. Still, it makes you wonder.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
NWO tried to KILL Reagan as a Warning? IS that it?
It really is a difficult issue, but I still hold that he was compromised from before. I don't know of him ever talking against the New World Order. Do you?
Boris in Miami
they absolutely tried to kill him...didnt you know that the ...
gunman was friends with the Bush's???
here is an article to back it up.
http://www.rense.com/gene...
here is a you tube video that shows the relationship
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
and a video of the actual event.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
I JUST HAD TO POST THIS .....excert from the link above
The Bush and Hinckley families go back to the oil-wildcatting days of the 1960s in Texas. (Ironically, they go back even farther in a genealogical sense, since the have a common ancestor in Samuel Hinckley, who lived in the late 1600s.)
The relationship was much closer between George Bush, Sr., and John Hinckley, Sr., whose families were neighbors for years in Houston. John Hinckley, Sr., contributed to the political campaigns of Bush, Sr., all the way back to Bush's running for Congress, and he supported Bush against Reagan for the 1980 Republican presidential nomination. Bush, Sr., and Hinckley, Sr., were both in the oil business. When the Hinckley oil company, Vanderbilt Oil, started to fail in the 1960s, Bush, Sr.'s, Zapata Oil financially bailed out Hinckley's sompany. Hinckley had been running an operation with six dead wells, but he began making several milliion dollars a year after the Bush bailout.
Scott Hinckley, John's brother, was scheduled to have dinner at the Denver home of Neil Bush, Bush, Sr.'s, son (and of course the current president's brother) the day after the shooting. At the time, Neil Bush was a Denver-based purchaser of mineral rights for Amoco, and Scott Hinckley was the vice president of his father's Denver-based oil business.
On the day of the shooting, NBC news anchor John Chancellor, eyebrows raised, informed the viewers of the nightly news that the man who tried to kill the president was acquainted with the son of the man who would have become president had the attack succeeded. As a matter of fact, Chancellor reported in a bewildered tone, Scott Hinckley and Neil Bush had been scheduled to have dinner together at the home of the (then) vice-president's son (Neil) the very next night.
The story of the Bush-Hinckley connection was reported on the AP and UPI newswires and in some newspapers, including the Houston Post, which apparently originated the story. It was also reported in Newsweek magazine. Then the story about one of the strangest coincidences in presidential assassination history simply disappeared. (The AP story is quoted in its entirety at the end of this article, not for commercial use but solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.)
In reference to whether the current president, George W. Bush, knew the would-be assassin, John Hinckley, Bush said at the time, "It's certainly conceivable that I met him or might have been introduced to him. I don't recognize his face from the brief, kind of distorted thing they had on TV and the name doesn't ring any bells. I know he wasn't on out staff. I could check our volunteer rolls." There is no record that he ever did this or ever commented after further reflection and seeing better photographs.
Neil Bush used a similar line in denying he knew John Hinckley. "I have no idea," he said. "I don't recognize any pictures of him. I just wish I could see a better picture of him." Besides all of the family ties, Neil Bush lived in Lubbock, Texas, throughout much of 1978, where Reagan shooter Hinckley lived from 1974-1980. During this period, in 1978, Neil Bush served as campaign manager for the current president's unsuccessful run for Congress.
Neil's wife, Sharon Bush, who is writing an expose of the family, said, at the time, that Scott Hinckley was coming as a date of a girl friend of hers. "I don't even know the brother. From what I've heard, they are a very nice family and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign. I understand he was just the renegade brother in the family."
The dinner date was canceled. (If it hadn't been, it would have been the ultimate case of "Guess who's coming to Dinner?")
Ironically, Scott Hinckley was called on the carpet by the U.S. Department of Enegy on the day Reagan was shot. The DOE told Hinckley it might place a $2 million penalty on his company.
I JUST
REAGAN Would be Assasin HAD connections with BUSH fmly!!!
Gosh darn!
Yeah...
Reagan talked a good line campaigning for Goldwater... what happened?
From the other side, Carter also talked about getting rid of the "New York Establishment", and then had David Rockefeller, with George S. Franklin Jr., a Rockefeller in-law, and Zbigniew Brzezinski play an active role in his administration.
I don't think either of them had Ron Paul's voting record, but it's still scary how people who talk a good game cave and do the wrong thing once in office.
What's the deal with that any way? I agree with the title of Lee Iacocca's new book...
"Where Have All Our Good Leaders Gone?"
Carter HAD David ROCKEFELLER and Brzenzinski????
As I say.... I learn more from you guys than from any other source. Can I know very little about Carter. I guess I have to search more information on him. Any suggestions?
Boris in Miami
The tri-laterals
Jimmy Carter was a dirtbag, and still is. He was a founding member of the tri-lateral commission. The tri-laterals were formed by david rockefeller based on a book written by Brezenski called "Between Two Ages." It mentioned setting up 3 regional governments so to speak. Those 3 areas were north america, asia-pacific and europe. it is much easier to merge 3 regions into a one-world government than it is 187 different nations.
Carters administration was absolutely packed with tri-lateralists. Carter did more to undermine free republics around the world than any other sitting president and is still up to his shenanigans. The republic of Nicaragua immediately comes to mind as a primary example. In that one, he had help from Dan Rather (CfR) and 60 minutes.
How else would it be possible that a backward peanut farmer and obscure governor from Georgia could become the president? The answer is he was david rockefeller's golden boy from the tri-lateral commission and rockefeller wanted it so. What rockefeller wants, he gets.
Paul.
David Rockefeller has played an important role
in the administrations of all the presidents since Carter.
Yup
Bob Barr ain't a good candidate. Its Ron Paul or nothing. I think what happened to Reagan was he was falling way behind in the early states for the nomination, until he fired his old advisors and got in a new bunch of advisors (aka lobbyists who work for the bankers).
You have to be realistic
You have to be realistic, if Ron Paul does not get the nomination who are you going to vote for? Ron Paul CANNOT be a write-in, in more than 30 states because they have sore loser laws.
In that case where do you go to - I see no other candidate other than Bob Barr that can attract the media attention and present the closest thing to Ron Paul.
Bob Barr is only an agenda candidate
IN the past several years the only issue Barr has dealt with is privacy rights...AFTER voting for Patriot.
WHO do we vote for. Liberal McCain...Extreme Liberal Obama?? The choices dwindle.
Bushwash! Reagan knew full well who Bush and Co. were. NWO.
The new world order agenda was surely known by Reagan as it was theme of discussion in the political circles. Reagan knew full well who Bush was, and who the 250 people plus he brought to the White House from the CFR were.
Boris in Miami
Reagan also endorsed the
Reagan also endorsed the Brady Bill, which I consider legislative treason almost on a par with the Patriot Act.
I also recall him telling a John Bircher to "shut up" when discussion of the Larry McDonald case came up in a White House press conference. Yes, after inaugeration, Reagan became a sellout; no question.
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~~If REAGAN was there instead of McCAIN. Would you VOTE for him
If Ronald Reagan was Campaigning instead of Double Talk Stray McCain.... Would you vote for him???
I think a lot of you would!
I think most people on this
I think most people on this Forum would--and lots of them would yell and bitch at people who said they wouldn't.
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