CSPAN Sat. 8:30pm central Libertarian Debate: Followed by LP Chairman Debate: Sunday, Libertarian programming all day.
Posted May 25th, 2008 by RonPaulistheAnswer
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Sure would be nice if someone managed to get a YouTube...
...of Christine Smith's anti-Barr tirade. That was - hands-down - one of THE highlights of the show.....
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My 2 cents
STEVE KUBBY 4 LP presidential nominee.
I’ve been following Steve for over ten years now and I can assure you he is a TRUE revolutionary candidate. Steve has said he will step aside and support ron paul if paul wins the republican Nomination or runs as a third party candidate.
Mary Ruwart 4 VP
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ERNEST HANCOCK For chairman!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ruth bennet was ok.... but I think she'd be better as an activist... she seems to be more successful with that anyways…
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Sounded to me like Root is just
full of enthusiasm...some comments on here said he sounded like a used car salesman, well I actually checked out his website, and read his stance on the issues, and I am impressed with his stance on the issues, and agreed with just about all of it, here is a link.
http://mikeatlanta.powweb...
I was impressed with Kubby as well, but my vote will be for Ron Paul, or the individual that Ron Paul endorses if he chooses to do so.
Wayne Allyn Root was for the Iraq war and promoting it
uptill February of 2008.
He IS A USED CAR SALESMAN. He never ever supported Ron Paul or donated to his campaign. Yet he blatantly uses his name to promote himself
what a dirtbag flip flopping POS
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
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Barr is more libertarian
Barr is more libertarian than people give him credit for. Check out these links:
http://www.nolanchart.com...
http://www.nolanchart.com...
http://www.nolanchart.com...
180
no, he has done a 180 on 70% of the issues.
he's been taking a beating the last 25min. 9:00 - 9:25am in the opening statements.
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Very important articles
Thank you for posting these. He is more human than Ron Paul. He seeks and takes action in human time. Ron Paul digs until he knows before he makes a move. Barr is trying and working for liberty like all of us fallible humans. Ron Paul is Mr. Liberty walking. Barr seems to try to trust people. Ron Paul knows to make sure what he is hearing, no matter the source, is as it is being presented. Ron Paul seldom makes an error. Barr may err and then adjust his course. He may bend, in order to stay close to the issue if he would be shut out otherwise.
I couldent have said it
I couldent have said it better myself.
My take on the LP debate
Phillies mentioned at least 3 times that he wanted to imprison people for various reasons. He’s obviously a very bitter man. Also, his voice is as grating as running your nails over a chalkboard.
Gravel said that people can’t be free if they are uneducated, poor, and don’t have healthcare. This is exactly the argument that the socialists have made for 100 years. Maybe Gravel should move to Europe and run for President of France.
Kubby was surprisingly impressive. He was poised and funny. If the sole goal of the LP was to legalize marijuana, he should be the nominee.
Root sounds like a used car salesman. Where was his checkered jacket?
Barr wasn’t impressive, but he didn’t do himself any harm either. In fact, his answers on the Patriot Act and DOMA will likely help him on the second round of voting today.
Ruwart sounded like a mindless ideologue, reciting silly platitudes that she memorized long ago.
Jingozian was on stage for what reason?
Barr is more libertarian
Barr is more libertarian than people give him credit for. Check out these links:
http://www.nolanchart.com...
http://www.nolanchart.com...
http://www.nolanchart.com...
VERY important articles to read
Wow, basically Barr was "sacrificed" for the cause. Thank you for these articles. I'm still reading, but the first one was certainly an eye-opener. Our problem is that we don't always know how our government works.
Thank you for checking out
Thank you for checking out my links. Please spread the word. I seriously beleive that Barr isn't getting the respect he deserves. The first article shows how the government apparatus distorts politicians principles. Look at Ronald Reagan. He ran on libertarian principles and then got elected and was pulled away by forces beyond his control.
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
basically
You are right. So we better put our efforts into getting Ron Paul elected.
Had all of these people running
as well as every other party out there got behind Ron Paul who was closer their ideals than any other candidate who actually has a chance it could have brought Ron Paul over the top. But instead they all run in different directions fragmenting the support that should have been put behind Ron Paul when his campaign was hot. But no, instead of waking up and getting on the bandwagon each party sabotaged us, themselves and a much greater chance
of getting someone elected who most represented their views.
So I will not support any Libertarian, Populist or other because even now they are fragmenting and diluting Ron Paul support just look at your own posts.
You are fools and this is how they win by infiltrating and disbursing our support. All parties must immediately support Ron Paul in every way possible and they must do it now!
These posts don't hurt Ron Paul
Nor does watching the Libertarian convention. It keeps our minds focused on these types of issues and really speaks very, very favorably to pushing to get Ron Paul elected.
Don't even try to put my mind in a box. Nothing ever sways me from Ron Paul, but I might even watch the democrats for education and to see just why Obama is mesmerizing people.
How do you know these people have not voted Ron Paul up to this point. It is undoubtedly to the credit of teh LP and the CP that Ron Paul has had so much support. And if he gets the nomination, I don't think these parties will have any support.
I've been a libertarian for
I've been a libertarian for 20 years, and I got behind Ron Paul -- as did, probably, thousands of other libertarians across the country (in fact, this is probably why attendance was down at the LP national convention). But in some ways, I'm not so sure moving to the GOP was a good thing. They are certainly not welcoming of Dr. Paul and his supporters and do everything possible to put obstacles in our way. In fact, they wish we would all go home and leave them alone with John McCain and his sorry campaign.
What do you know about these people or their actions?
I know for a fact that Mary Ruwart and Steve Cubby have helped the Ron Paul movement and Ron Paul himself through his campaign. Bob Barr is a friend of Ron Paul, so it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibilities that he has helped to. It's easy to lay claims that someone should have done something, when you don't have to research your facts.
All I am saying is that we don't need to go bashing others about their "lack" of support. We need to all keep moving positively forward in this movement. Don't delude yourself into thinking the change will be in one election term either. It's going to be a long slow change; especially those fighting to reform the highly corrupted Republican Party.
I'm with you eilif,
I listened to them trying to see their intent. I think I noticed a flip flopin former repub, a used car salesman, a medical miracle who likes to hit the bong, a Martha Stewart wannabe with a crush on Ron Paul, a Microsoft® Windows 2000® developer, a young AFL-CIO plant and another guy that just wants too stay in politics? So many "used" the RP name. Such is life... I wonder if they would have used his name if he sent them this email?
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February 8, 2008
Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If
I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.
Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a
brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of
course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican
party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.
I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.
In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.
Sincerely,
Ron
Pardon me, but Ron Paul used
Pardon me, but Ron Paul used the Libertarian name first. You may not be aware that he ran for President in 1988 under the LP banner. Those are his roots. One thing I noticed about the debate was that not all of the LP candidates were there. There was a lady by the name of Christine Smith who is sharp, articulate, fairly young. I don't know why she wasn't at the debate. I think, actually, that Bob Barr did pretty well, as did Steve Kubby - but I did not see the entire debate. Hope to catch that on C-Span2 if they replay it this morning and to watch the rest of the day's events in CO. They are talking about Ron Paul because they admire him for what he has done for the freedom movement. They know that many Libertarians left the party to go work for Ron Paul. They probably hope we all come back - and maybe we will because the GOP has been remarkably hostile and fearful of us.
Thank you for your comment,
Why did RP switch to his current party?
will they be
Fortune Favors the Bold
re-airing this?
LP convention - more coverage today
The Libertarian debate was aired again in the middle of the night - probably won't again. But there will be candidate speeches and platform business today - supposed to be from, I think, 7:30 a.m. to 3 p.m. You may want to check CSpan2 schedule at CSpan.org
Correction
More LP convention coverage today on C-Span (~not C-Span 2~). There will be speeches and platform business. They'll be choosing their candidate. If you're on-line, tune in because coverage was supposed to start at 7:30 a.m. (about 15 minutes ago) but doesn't seem to be underway yet. And it is supposed to run until 3 p.m. (Pacific time). You may also watch the programming on-line at CSpan.org.
here you go
http://www.c-spanarchives...
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I really liked Mary Ruwart
I really liked Mary Ruwart the best.... I like Barr, but mostly just because I think his chances are the best/he'll have the most national recognition....
Chubby or whatever his name was, was ok.... but I think he'd be better as an activist... he seems to be more successful with that anyways...
Gravel healed some of my fears about him, but I'm not sold.
Root... actually really kind of scares me... his enthusiasm is a bit much.... but I'd be ok with him as a VP... I really am only interested in him because of his claims to connections with poker playing voters and small businesses...
I did not like the other two guys whatsoever...
So, Ruwart is my number one choice, followed closely by/tied with Barr... and then probably Root, Chubby/Gravel and then the other two.
and for chairman... I liked the woman best... she seemed very collect, intelligent, etc... all things that I think would be good for such an administrative position.
STEVE KUBBY
STEVE KUBBY
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I'm puzzled...
They keep mentioning Ron Paul. What is Ron doing that makes them take another path? If they do not like him and his party, why don't they like him or why don't they like his party? I am not sure of their intent, I hear them oh I hear them >>>> Ron Paul this and Ron Paul that "Hmmm" obvious there is a conflict. Spread the message "Onward" >>>>>>>>>>>>
No
You must have only been half tuned in. Everything they were saying about Ron Paul was a huge compliment to Ron Paul. They love Ron Paul. All of them-but especially Ruwart and I think it was Kubby who specifically "invoked" his name.
Libertarian v. Republican Party
I don't think Ron is doing anything that's significantly at odds with the Libertarian party. There are some points of disagreement with the platform, but no more so than with Gravel, etc.
If RP is on the national ballot you can be sure that many libertarians will be voting for him, no question, even over the LP candidate.
That said, RP's presence on a national ballot is not certain. As in years past (like RP in 1988), the LP may wind up being the only party that represents individual freedom, very limited government, and a neutral/defensive foreign policy posture.
Ron Paul could play "kingmaker" in the libertarian contest by endorsing a specific candidate, but I don't expect him to do so.
I haven't voted for the Democratic or Republican party since voting for RP as a Libertarian in 1988, and don't intend to until one of these parties returns to some message compatible with freedom. The older I get, the more proud I am of these votes, and the more certain I am they were principled and correct.
Amen, brother
I am with you on that. For me my vote will be, Ron Paul, or What Ron Paul recommends, or Libertarian. Those are my choices in order.
Thanks for your comment..
[boston] You said > "I don't think Ron is doing anything that's significantly at odds with the Libertarian party. There are some points of disagreement with the platform, but no more so than with Gravel, etc."
Do you know any of points of their disagreement(s)? Ron was the man in 88' why did he go Republican, just for the exposure? I'm still puzzled regarding their differences. Thank you so much for you input and does your name link you too Beantown / Bay State? :-P
No differences basically
Ron Paul ran Republican because he ran in '88 as a Libertarian and saw how futile it is. This too, has been almost futile, but he has had an enormous success.
They were not mentioning any disagreements with him, they were commenting on how much they agree with him and respect him. It was awesome.
LP candidate grade
This is how I would line them up:
Kubby or Barr
Ruwart
Gravel
Root
Zingozian
Phillies
I did not know Kubby at all and I like him. I found added confidence in Barr.
Ruwart is soft spoken, very.
Gravel-has said some things about Ron Paul I don't like, so I probably have him up too high.
Root seems trying too hard
Zingozian is likeable, but young seeming and maybe inexperienced
Phillies just screams way too much
I found this very interesting and I want Ron Paul involved. I'm going where Ron Paul goes. Period.
Good thing about LP is that they are on 49 states. Not Okla. CT party is only in 35 states, I think. That is not good for CT. Green Party, no. Independent, too hard to run this time, I think???? So that takes us to LP, in spite of Baldwin. But no matter, until Ron Paul speaks on this issue, I want HIM to be President.
Woah, I think some guy just got emotional on the chairman debate!!!!!!
People need to cut Barr a
People need to cut Barr a little slack:
Ron Paul's former aide reveals: "We needed" Barr to vote for the PATRIOT Act: http://www.nolanchart.com...
Barr's real record I: http://www.nolanchart.com...
Barr's real record II: http://www.nolanchart.com...
Libertarian Debate Commentary
I'd take any of them, and am more impressed with Kubby and Ruwart than expected. Ron Paul's name seems to come up every 10 minutes or so, even in the post-debate analysis as I write this. Ruwart is perhaps the most aggressive in claiming the Ron Paul mantle, but Kubby has the natural charisma that can translate libertarian ideals and package policy points neatly for sound bites. In my judgment he would do best in national debates against the other nominees, although Barr is also strong and probably has broader appeal.
Barr and Gravel are probably a bit more practiced than the others, with their prior national campaign experience, but they are both challenged by prior policy work with the party base. Again, I'd vote for either over the likely Republican and Democratic nominees.
The most interesting part of the debate that I saw was on immigration. All were for open borders, but about half said the border should not be opened until the welfare state incentives are removed. I'd agree with that.
I was least impressed with Root, who has a bit too much of an infomercial-style presentation and comes off hot, although this plays fine to mainstream voters, if not libertarians themselves.
The media will make out the Libertarian candidate as detracting from Republican votes. I'm disagreeing with that this year. The incessant libertarian criticism of the Patriot Act, the Real ID act, the War on Drugs, the Iraq war, the global war on terror, etc isn't going to draw much from the Republican base. Their blanket and universal support for gay marriage will also draw from the left. All the candidates scoffed at why the government has any role or authority in the marriage question, which I would agree with.
These candidates have appeal to portions of both parties, and I'm not sure if that increases or decreases the impact of the party, which will probably be on 49 of 50 state ballots this fall.
GO KUBBY
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Kuddy
I am really liking this guy. He is very good on policy, image and he acts presidential.
I like him too
He has a sense of humor. I am going to check out a web site if he has one. Also the commentator at the end said he brought himself forward in this debate.
My main problem with a Libertarian debate is that generally, I agree with them. So focusing on their differences is more pinpointed.
Kubby website
I know Google works fine, but just for the record:
http://www.kubby2008.com/
For folks who want to compare RP positions with a candidate like Kubby, click on "Issues".
I hadn't seen this candidate speak before tonight. I'm not sure he's the favorite. Part of me is expecting Bob Barr to win this, but I have no insight into how it's polling within the party at the moment.
This is Great!
A half dozen candidates, not agreeing on everything, but basing their comments on common decency and a love of liberty.
Check 'em out! It's live on CSPAN.
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