Ron Paul: I would support McCain if he changed his views
Posted May 26th, 2008 by ctspectator
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How is this any different than Bob Barr? People make mistakes and Ron is not even going to run in the general election. Don't you realize that the votes for the write-in candidate often don't even go to that candidate at all? I love people calling the Barr "trolls" out. How long ago is it that you heard Ron Paul say that he would support McCain if he changed his views. I support RP 'till death but my state's primary is over. I will probably vote for Chuck Baldwin. But regardless...get over it.
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Ron Paul saying he would
Ron Paul saying he would support McCain if he would change his views is similar to him saying he would take off and fly if his ears grew like Dumbos. Sure he WOULD, but it ain't gonna happen. I mean, COME ON! How on earth could McCain convince anybody that he was suddenly a supporter of the principles of freedom? Mass hypnosis?
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I agree
McCain already sold out, he would never change views.
McCain changes his views?
The problem with Ron is that he thinks everyone is more like himself than they are, these politicians will change their views to get elected but when it comes down to a vote they revert back to their old views and screw the people. McCain could swear on a stack of bibles and I wouldn't believe a word he says..
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I'm with ya there...amen sister!
McCain panders all the time.
I suppose that Dr. Paul
figures it would be a cold day in hell before McCain would support all of Dr. Paul's platforms. It is fine to support who you wish because what we are doing now is making a statement with our vote. If people plan on writing in Dr. Paul that is fine. If people plan on voting for Barr that is fine. If people plan on voting for Baldwin that is fine. The name calling needs to stop because we are at that point in the campaign people are reevaluating their options this is natural. It is understandable that we are scared and anxious but attacking our fellow patriots is not the way to go. It is like attacking your own family.
What we really need to look at is the bigger picture. Our strength in numbers and our ability to communicate on the DP and other forums. Keeping in touch helps with moral and we can address problems and be kept informed in what is happening around the country and the world.
Thanks, to all the good people here who post all the great info so people like myself who are tech illiterate can keep abreast of what is happening.
Everyone needs to chill a little September is coming and at the convention Dr. Paul will give us some guidance. Peace
People make mistakes
like nominating pro-War on Drugs/pro-Patriot Act/former CIA member Bob Barr for a pro-civil liberties party that is anti-War on Drugs, anti-Patriot Act and anti-CIA.
Get over it.
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ok
you just made my point.
no I just made my point
that you are trying to twist Ron Paul's words around to suit your Bob Barr Libertarian Party agenda. I was being sarcastic about the word "mistake." There are rarely "mistakes" when electing nominees. It was a deliberate planned take-over and you know it.
Don't even go there trying to compare Ron Paul to whatshis name.
Don't waste your time blakmira...
ctspectator knows darn well what RP meant when he said that.
It is clear, even on the CNN inverview in the situation room posted here 5/5, that RP will not be supporting McCain. RP even said if he did it would confuse his supporters. In another interview he even said something to the effect of how could he do that when it would go against everything he has stood for all these years.
RP knows he was safe in making the statement that ctspectator conveniently isolated.
ctspectator just wants to spar.
McCain would rather endorse Ron Paul!
If McCain really changed his whole views, I think Ron Paul would not decline to meet with McCain. It would be a good thing to have McCain being part of the Ron Paul Revolution.:-)
But that causes that Paul gets the nomination, of course, because he is the "original", and McCain converted. So, probably McCain would endorse Ron Paul and only perhaps, PERHAPS, would considered as Vice President.
If McCain changed all his views, it would be clear, that McCain would rather endorse Ron Paul than the other way around, that Paul would endorse McCain who just changed his views!!
When I hear them try to nail RP about the party unity issue,
I wish, I wish, I wish he would turn the question back on them similar to what you are describing.
I would love for him to say "I agree that the party should want unity, and since I'm the candidate that represents the traditional party platform, they are welcome to endorse me".
uhh
I don't think you should assume so much. I have seen the interview and heard the quote tens of times. I know he wouldn't endorse McCain. BUT HE DID SAY IT! To deny that he said it is delusional. I have supported Ron Paul since he announced he was running. I am just putting that quote there to prove a point.. The point is to think about furthering the message of freedom past the republican convention. But I still have my fingers crossed hoping RP will take it.
ok mr.semantics. He
ok mr.semantics. He literally laughed out loud when he said it. Drop the silly @ss games and go make you a DailyBarr site. The only candidates that are going to be getting the time and effort of the Revolution are Ron Paul Approved candidates that have been ENDORSED by him. Barr isn't one of them.
Didn't deny he said it.
And since you say you know he wouldn't endorse McCain, but argue with people about RP's statement anyway and even accuse someone below of saying RP is lying, you have proven the sparring, so it is not exactly an assumption.
The way you go about trying to "prove a point' will not win anyone over to it.
Good-bye
well he did say it
I'm just not in denial about the quote.. I know he was not being honest when he said it the first few times so thats why hes since clarified. I know he supported GWB's platform but not the person. Come on... See yah!
Yes, we KNOW he said it.
He says it frequently and we know his point in saying it.
Please stop sparring.
Good-bye again.
lol
This could be the libertarians worst or best mistake in their party's history... I have no clue yet and neither do any of you. I am saying that all the DPers are not even taking what Ron Paul says and thinking it through. These are the cards we have been given. Write-in Ron Paul if you want. I don't really think that your votes will hurt or help anyone when hes not even running! I am just saying consider the quote and consider Barr's history for the past couple years. I don't know if you know what the Sunset Clauses are for the Patriot Act but Google that. Also read Michael Ruppert's - Crossing the Rubicon. Search through the index and read what it says about Bob Barr. I am not voting for him but you guys are so close minded.. its almost insane! I am happy to have someone that polls higher than 5% nationally running on the message of freedom!
If you're really saying that
If you're really saying that Ron Paul would endorse McCain tomorrow if McCain announced some policy changes, then I think it's safe to assume that you're not someone familiar with Ron Paul.
Either way, your implications are only hurting support for Bob Barr.
If your real goal is to create a dislike for Bob Barr, then I guess you're being successful. Otherwise, you should probably try a different approach.
Ron Paul supporters support plenty of people who are not Ron Paul: http://www.paulcongress.c...
You're better off listening the positive things about Bob Barr and how Ron Paul supporters would benefit from supporting him.
Here's an approach that helped to win many people over to Ron Paul.
"Who is Ron Paul?
* He has never voted to raise taxes.
* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
* He has never taken a government-paid junket.
* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
* He voted against the Patriot Act.
* He voted against regulating the Internet.
* He voted against the Iraq war.
* He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year."
I'm not sure if it's possible to make a list similar to this about Bob Barr as I still don't know too much about him, but...
Your current approach seems like it'd do more harm than good.
teehee
I do not think that Ron Paul would endorse McCain for POTUS if he changed his views. I am stating the quote and putting into the context of what happened today. Ron Paul may not endorse anyone for president! I am not going to waste my time with a list when you know as well as I do that Barr is no Ron Paul. My approach is to keep an open mind and be happy that the message of freedom is getting out there. Barr is polling higher than Nader! That is a great thing for the message! We know that freedom can work. It sounds like you guys do not support the message. If John McCain said we need smaller government I am positive RP would endorse the view. Barr sounded great today. I don't know what convention you guys were watching. But write RP in! That is a heartfelt vote and is very respectable...no matter if it helps further the message of freedom or not.
Of course he's polling
Of course he's polling higher. He's a CIA plant.....but then again.....look at the money flows for Nader ;)
The operative word here is
'if'
Ron Paul knows that McCain will not change... there is power in reading correctly what is said!.
reading correctly?
It is a direct quote.
Whether a direct quote or not
you, as the reader of that quote, need to read carefully and not spin it.
Ron Paul said ... if McCain changes... it tells me clearly that Dr.Paul knows McCain will not change. He says if, not when
Learn to listen to Ron Paul and not just hear him.
uhh
Huh? Did you read the if in the topic title? Seriously.. he said he could endorse him if he "has a lot of change of heart." Please. I know my RP..
Are you obtuse with a lot of effort
or does it come naturally?
what's your point?
You're here just to criticize Ron Paul? Go away.
name
Name that critical word? Sorry.. Shall I say misleading voters into thinking that he would support someone if they changed their views? I am a supporter and an infrequent meetup member. I have donated to the campaign. I am not criticizing Ron Paul. He is the best and my favorite politician in this modern age.
I don't think he was being
I don't think he was being serious... He was using the opportunity to list all of the ways that McCain isn't even a Conservative.
has Ron Paul lied yet?
Are you are saying that he is lying? I don't think he would do that. I do not think Paul will endorse Barr but still. It is the principle that we are dealing with.
Idealistic
No, he is not lying, he is idealistic. McCain COULD change his views. Every human being gets a chance to change his life. And I think this comment is a back door for John McCain.
i like that
spin it!
It's called "tongue in
It's called "tongue in cheek."
1. In a bantering fashion
2. Not seriously
lol
dont like it?