Bob CIA Barr
Ok....so we have a ton of BobBarr spammers on the site lately. Perhaps if we look at his site we can see why. Here under his JOIN section:
Get Involved
I'd like to help Bob Barr run for President by:
Volunteering for the campaign
Organizing events
Starting a MeetUp group
Talking with Ron Paul supporters
Working as an Internet activist
ummmmmm Talking with Ron Paul supporters? This comes after he says this in wired:
"I think there would be a natural inclination on the part of (Texas Republican congressman) Ron Paul supporters to support my candidacy," says Barr in an interview. ""Ron is not really an active candidate right now"
THEN we have an active campaign of trolls smearing Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party. Something smells fish in DP land folks.
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"Ron is not really an active candidate right now."
should be setting off sirens if you are a die hard Ron Paul supporter right now. We have been dealing with idiots saying this for months, now some idiot asking for our support is saying it. He can go to hell. He is an infiltrator, I can smell it a mile away. If you are a true Ron Paul supporter, you can't be falling for this guy, are you? If it is that easy to pull the sheets over our eyes, we are doomed-it is like game over. I know a true Ron Paul supporter when I hear one, those people voting in Idaho right now are the real deal, everyone of them, I guarantee you is a die hard, or else they wouldn't even know his name. Wake up people, don' t be bamboozled by Barr, lets stay the course, and believe in our delegates that have and are working day and night for us.
You are right
Anyone who is out there saying that is no "friend" of Ron Pauls, and anyone who would support this guy whos idea of what government should be and the changes that have to be made have NOTHING to do with what Ron Pauls messege is about are not supporters of his. They can twist it all around all they want, and it makes no difference how long they have been on this site, they are not about anything Ron Paul or his idea of a true Revolution. What are we going to march for more wars and Patriot Act 3? Where is the commitment to restore the Constitution? BB is another typical politician talking alot and saying nothing. They are a dime a dozen but there is only one Ron Paul.
Barr has already lost the
Barr has already lost the support of the libertarian half of the LP. Now he's trying to poach the libertarian Ron Paul voters.
Our main objective is freedom. A subsidiary objective for many is to keep that McCainiac out of office - though in truth whichever among he, Hillary or Obama is elected - the result will be equally odious. A write-in vote for Ron Paul deprives McWar of a vote as certainly as does a vote for Barr. And one is not appearing to lend support to Barr's non-libertarianism by writing in Ron.
No offense intended to Baldwin supporters. He appears personally OK but I can't buy into all the religious stuff, and the CP has a protectionist smell to it. Baldwin tries to blame China for sending cheap products to the US. That's called competition. You won't win many votes advocating people pay higher prices than they have to.
Ron Paul or None Of The Above.
marlow
Thnks NeoConned.. The Barr trolls dared by starting to call
me and others "Trolls" Then they started running and crying about it when we called them the Barr trolls. Then they went a step further into trying to smear Chuck Baldwin and the CP who never harmed them for no reason.
Ohhh God. Now those trolls or their followers need to stop. This is the Daily Paul not the Daily Barr
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
As a troll I resent those
As a troll I resent those implications.....
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Ask tough questions, but join forces to send a bigger message
I'm one of many Paul supporters who downshifted along with the campaign, and are re-engaged now that Dr. Paul's friend Bob Barr is going to be on the November ballot. I won't claim to know Barr's answers to the excellent list of questions someone posed below, but I do know that he is a whole lot closer to Dr. Paul (and libertarians and constitutionalists) than either McCain or Obama. His Patriot Act vote has been revealed as necessary to get on the conference committee and ensure that sunset provisions were inserted into the final bill. He was publicly against the bill when it was proposed, as was Dr. Paul.
Paul supporters who want to see his ideas furthered in this election would do best to support Barr as I have. Don't splinter the movement by dividing support amongst Barr, Baldwin, Paul write-ins, Obama, and even god forbid McCain. Barr has a foot in the media's door and can be a high-profile and effective vessel for the revolution. His aim is to assemble a big tent coalition of small government supporters that can challenge the neo-cons and big govt liberals. And while you are right to ask tough questions and demand to be courted, creating too many litmus tests will be counterproductive. Not just for the Barr campaign, but for this movement and all of the values you support it for.
You have hit the nail right on the head!
Your analysis is correct..plus I worry that any write in votes for Ron won't be counted...We have to send a message and keep the GOP moving toward liberty and Constitutionalism...
Bob Barr:
Bob Barr: Trojan horse
Libertarian Party: RIP
WOW.....
for a bunch of people who love Ron Paul, you all sure love to bash one of his closest friends!!!! I'm sure Dr. Paul would definitly support bashing his friends and a man that has a lot of the same ideas that he believes. Sure Bob Barr has made mistakes such as the Patriot act....but he regrets that decision and I believe he is honost because I also believe in Ron Paul's charactor and who he wold choose as a friend.
His regret is a poor
His regret is a poor consolation for my lost freedom that he helped to take away. Some things should never be forgiven.
"Some things should never be forgiven"...
it was poor judgement. There are a lot of polititions that had absolutly NO idea how far the neocons were going to take the patriot act. There were a lot of confused Americans at that time in the country. Hell...I voted for Bush, I regret that every day, I would only hope I am forgiven for that poor judgement!
It was his JOB to uphold the
It was his JOB to uphold the Constitution. It was obvious to anyone that the Patriot Act was in direct opposition to the spirit on the Constitution. All he had to do was read it. If he didn't realize that he is either corrupt or grossly incompetent. Either way he is unfit to be president.
I agree it was a very bad vote...
however I trust Ron Paul's judgement and I do not think that he would call Barr a friend if he was corrupt or incompetent.
I just don't know who all of these Bob Barr haters want to be our next president if Paul does not win?? Should we not support the closest candidate to our beliefs??? Or...should we just give up and "write-in" Ron Paul, then wait through 4 more years of liberal and neocon destruction. This would bring the possiblity of losing 2 of my brothers in an unjust war and a lot more of my personal liberties and freedoms and tax money that I work hard for day in and day out!
If you think Barr has a
If you think Barr has a chance to be elected you've been taking those illegal drugs he'd STILL like to see you in jail for.
marlow
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I sympathize with you, I fear about many of the same things but I don't see writing in Ron Paul as giving up. I guess I just can't consider what everyone else's votes are going to bring when I think about casting mine. I'm voting for him because he is the best for the job. They can swindle me out of it by using the system but I'm voting for the best guy no matter what. I understand where you are coming from though, definitely. Whatever you decide, don't think about the outcome. Just vote your conscience.
"Always vote for principle..."
"...though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."...John Quincy Adams
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thanks for understanding....
I just fear that if RP doesn't get the nomination that all everyone will go and do there seperate things whether it be a "RP write-in", Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, or even Obamaor McCain, or even worse not vote at all!! I just wish all of us RP supporters would all have a "Plan B" because we have great numbers and if we ALL could just decide on one choice there could be a chance of something good coming out of this. I guess time will tell!
"We" DID all decide on one choice - Ron Paul.
Now, for some strange reason, there are all these other (non-Ron Paul) "choices" being offered up. I say, "Who cares?" The decision has already been made - Ron Paul or NOTA.....
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I'm starting to think Bob
I'm starting to think Bob Barr is really really evil....
Bob Barr's "Skimpy Agenda"
http://www.lewrockwell.co...
Bob Barr's "Skimpy Agenda"
Posted by Anthony Gregory at May 27, 2008 03:58 PM
James Pethokoukis writes, "Now since the Barr-Root ticket has scant chance of winning—though it just might spoil John McCain's chances for victory—you would think its policy proposals would be bold ones with lots of details. Barr and Root are in the persuading business, not the victory business, for the moment, after all, so they need to fully display the power of their ideas. Yet when I hopped over to Bob Barr's campaign site, I didn't find too much of what I was looking for, at least when it comes to economic policy.."
Read the rest (http://tinyurl.com/5w8h2o). I, for one, would like to see the campaign address this soon. As Pethokoukis implies, Barr, running as a Libertarian, doesn't have the comprehensive libertarianism that Ron Paul's program did – and Ron has been running as a Republican.
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Baldwin's platform is full
http://baldwin2008.com/is...
We also have numerous articles by Chuck Baldwin which outline his beliefs.
http://www.newswithviews....
Exactly. Barr's platform is
Exactly. Barr's platform is a bunch of hazy, smoky jive talk that has no real meat. Yes We Can. Change. yada yada frickin yada.
go after the real prize
what sir do you think that real prize is?
The people you are talking bout
don't have to take over this site. They were all herE when it started and they passed it on to the secound wave of Ron Paul supporters. Are you aware that alot of Ron Paul meetups are talking about how disapointed they are with the forums and the way people are acting on them. Yeah thats right the forefathers of this movement are talking about you this way. So you keep patting yourselves on the backs and set here while others make the hard choices. Let them lead the way into the next place so you can all come walking in the door late as usual and start acting like you did it all. You guys make me sick. If you truely are part (thats a key word you are "part" of) Ron Paul movement you'll actually find out where the movement is moving next or at least start talking about where it should move. This movement is not about your personal beliefs. Its not about your old party. This isn't about your personal protest vote or your giving the GOP the finger. Its about moving the freedom message forward if you don't like that idea then you are not a member of this movement you are a single person working for your own glory. Sorry this movement has no room for that. Oh you can do your protest vote thats your right but don't come in here acting like your doing it for Ron Paul and the movement he worked hard to build. After all the hard work and the attacks this man has went through to get this movement to this point you should show a little respect for the movement. The forefathers of this movement have worked their butts off getting this far. If you want to be a private individual and act on your own go do it. this is a movement you check that stuff at the door when your promoting this countries freedom. Its bigger than all of you put together.
UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE!
so what your saying is now ...
we are a different kind of sheep, being herded by a new master... LMAO ...sorry new sheep ... wolf here.
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rofl. this post made me
rofl. this post made me crack up. new master....
I have no idea how this
I have no idea how this diatribe is even relevant to the initial post, but to retort, these are questions I feel the Revolution wants answers to from Barr. Upon further investigation you will find that both Paul and Baldwin have answered yes to each and every one. I just got done looking at Baldwin's site and a massive amount of youtubes and he has confirmed my suspicion that he is more likened unto Ron Paul's Platform than from what I can tell after having researched Barr.
We don't want some watered down Conservative Libertarian NeoCon Lite agenda. We want significant CHANGE in the way this government is run. If Bob Barr cannot answer these questions with a YES he shows that he is NOT for REAL CHANGE. He's for tinkering a little bit and we just don't have enough time to tinker. There will have to be a radical shift in the way things work around here or this nation is done for.
If you don't understand the magnitude of what we are up against as a nation, you'll keep prattling on about purist blah blah blah blah. YOU will be the one that the Forefathers would hang their head in shame at. YOU will be the one that the folks in this movement will be against. YOU will be the one responsible for the destruction of this nation and quite possibly all of human civilization.
Questions that we would like to have answered by Barr are as follows:
1.Will you put a stop to the Security and Prosperity Partnership (or whatever name it's going by these days)?
2.Will you pull the U.S. troops out of ALL nations around the globe and bring them home to better provide for defense of this nation?
3.Will you put a stop to the NAFTA Super Highway?
4.Will you abolish the Federal Reserve?
5.Will you promote a foreign policy of NON-INTERVENTIONISM?, i.e. NO more foreign aid to nations of any sort for any reason. This means money/weapons/training of their military forces on our soil like School of Americas in Ft.Benning, Ga.
6.Will you prosecute employers to the fullest extent of the law that employ illegal aliens?
7.Will you cut off ALL aid to all illegal aliens in this country? i.e. NO more social security, welfare, college grants for their children, etc.
8.Will you end birth right citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants in this country?
9.Would you work to restore a debt free, interest free monetary system that is backed by some form of a standard that will put tight restrictions on how much the government can spend?
10. Will you work to end the Income Tax and replace it with NOTHING?
11.Will you work to get the US out of free trade deals such as NAFTA/CAFTA/GATT etc?
12.Will you work to disband the Dept. of Education and actively promote homeschooling as a viable option?
13.Will you oppose any and all legislation designed to subsidize special interests such as HMO's?
14. Will you work to ban forced vaccinations/immunizations?
15.Will you work to protect the 2nd amendment for private citizens of this country, and not just for milita members?
16.Will you stop ALL participation in the UN/WTO/IMF/WorldBank?
17.Will you put a stop to eminent domain abuse in the US?
18. Will you relegate the issue of drug legality to the States as it should be according to our Constitution?
19. Will you relegate the issue of abortion to the States and support Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life Act?
20.Will you support the freedom of choice for both patient and doctor and let the free market provide for a better healthcare system here in the US?
21.Will you promote an independent investigation of 9/11 and if government officials are found guilty of crimes, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law?
22. Will you work towards a phasing out of Social Security, Welfare, Minimum Wage laws?
Excuse me sir
I am here because I want my freedom.
I am fairly certain I would not get it from Bob Barr.
OK? Say what you want about the forums, if they are so bad, why are you here? To 'teach us a lesson about civilized behavior?' Civilized behavior went out the window with the Patriot Act, which, might I remind you, Bob Barr voted FOR!!!
This is a revolution, not a pissing contest or a beauty contest.
Sack up and go after the real prize, not the sloppy seconds the elites want to give you
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
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Never mind
I am surprised
The list did not say take over Ron Paul support sites , start a Barr money bomb on Daily Paul, sell Barr slim jims and T shirts, and try to make RP supporters look like that is not what they really are by throwing made up numbers at them as what order they logged on as users on DP ( as that would mean anything anyway). What exactly do these people want; they are coming across as desperate for attention.
Ya man. I mean, how
Ya man. I mean, how desperate and pathetic can you get. It's SO blatant and obvious it's not even funny.
Barr is delusional
"I think there would be a natural inclination on the part of (Texas Republican congressman) Ron Paul supporters to support my candidacy," says Barr in an interview.
Yeah, right. We're looking for a national sales tax, the continuation of the Federal Reserve, more foreign intervention, a continuation of the war on drugs, etc., and we're just waiting for the right man to come along.
We are looking for lower
We are looking for lower taxes, smaller government, less effort put into the drug war and less judicial leeway given to the drug warriors, and more reservations about intervening in Iran, though. All of which are part of Barr’s program.
If you were somehow allowed to vote for world leader, and your choices were the four big ones from the 30’s & 40's, Stalin(Obama), Hitler(McCain), FDR(Barr) or Churchill(Baldwin), wouldn’t you, despite FDR being possible the worst president in US history, rather have him than one of the first two? Assume Churchill was only on the ballot in Britain.
We aren't looking for GOP
We aren't looking for GOP lite. This is what we are looking for:
1.Will you put a stop to the Security and Prosperity Partnership (or whatever name it's going by these days)?
2.Will you pull the U.S. troops out of ALL nations around the globe and bring them home to better provide for defense of this nation?
3.Will you put a stop to the NAFTA Super Highway?
4.Will you abolish the Federal Reserve?
5.Will you promote a foreign policy of NON-INTERVENTIONISM?, i.e. NO more foreign aid to nations of any sort for any reason. This means money/weapons/training of their military forces on our soil like School of Americas in Ft.Benning, Ga.
6.Will you prosecute employers to the fullest extent of the law that employ illegal aliens?
7.Will you cut off ALL aid to all illegal aliens in this country? i.e. NO more social security, welfare, college grants for their children, etc.
8.Will you end birth right citizenship for children born to illegal immigrants in this country?
9.Would you work to restore a debt free, interest free monetary system that is backed by some form of a standard that will put tight restrictions on how much the government can spend?
10. Will you work to end the Income Tax and replace it with NOTHING?
11.Will you work to get the US out of free trade deals such as NAFTA/CAFTA/GATT etc?
12.Will you work to disband the Dept. of Education and actively promote homeschooling as a viable option?
13.Will you oppose any and all legislation designed to subsidize special interests such as HMO's?
14. Will you work to ban forced vaccinations/immunizations?
15.Will you work to protect the 2nd amendment for private citizens of this country, and not just for milita members?
16.Will you stop ALL participation in the UN/WTO/IMF/WorldBank?
17.Will you put a stop to eminent domain abuse in the US?
18. Will you relegate the issue of drug legality (all drugs, not just cannabis) to the States as it should be according to our Constitution?
19. Will you relegate the issue of abortion to the States and support Ron Paul's Sanctity of Life Act?
20.Will you support the freedom of choice for both patient and doctor and let the free market provide for a better healthcare system here in the US?
21.Will you promote an independent investigation of 9/11 and if government officials are found guilty of crimes, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law?
22. Will you work towards a phasing out of Social Security, Welfare, Minimum Wage laws?
Yes, I See Your Point, But. . .
Who I'd vote for and who I'd support are two different things. And, you have to factor in probability of actually winning, and how important that is to you as well. . . . If Barr had a chance of winning, would I vote for him over the other two? Sure, but he doesn't. And I would never give him any money in any event, that would just be absurd. I'm sure there is a great diversity among RP supporters on who they'll vote for and their reasons for doing so. Some may actually vote for McCain, some Obama, some Baldwin, and some Barr. But it's hard to imagine being enthusiastic about any of them. Baldwin? I don't know if he'll be on the ballot in my state.
Since I'm not voting for either one of them, I think it would be
nice to not have to hear about either.
I'm voting absentee and will write-in Ron Paul. I just did in for the California congressional election even though Ron isn't from California.
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Lisa C.
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When you wrote in Ron Paul
When you wrote in Ron Paul for California, the only person who ever saw your vote was the lone vote counter. He then threw it out, so in the eyes of everyone else, you did not vote at all. Voting for not-on-the-ballot Paul may well reveal a huge groundswell of support for liberty to vote counters around the country, but no one of any influence will be aware of it, because all the votes will be thrown out.
A vote for Barr, or if you can, Baldwin, will be counted. It will demonstrate to mainstream GOP candidates that there are votes out there for the taking, if they are willing to move their agenda a bit in the direction of limited government.
And I am no shill for either of the above. I honestly don’t think I fully agree with Barr on a single issue, and have many, many disagreements with Baldwin as well. Ron Paul would have been better than either. But if it turns out they’re the ones we got, either one of them sure as heck beats McCain and Obama.
I wasn't going to vote for
I wasn't going to vote for either one of them myself but with all the bob barr trolls spamming this forum OVER AND OVER it pushed me to investigate both him and Baldwin. IMO Baldwin is more in line with the Revolution's platform but we'll see how well BARR answers the questions that SGP will hopefully be able to ask him found in this thread:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
Baldwin fails the theocracy litmus test
Baldwin's positions may be marginally better than
Barr's, but the Christian theocracy issue makes
Baldwin a no-go for me.
Ditto for me
Ditto for me
I'm gonna start pulling IP's .....
May God have mercy on these ignorant bastards, because I most certainly will not.
and oh ya .... BUMP!
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"The time is near at hand which we must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
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First President of the USA.
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