Anti-American Hugo Chavez To Give Free Oil To Blacks
Anti-American Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez is to give free & cheap oil to poor black families in U.S. cities while GW Bush refuses to lower taxes on gasoline to help ease-up the crucifixtion of this people at the gas pumps.
Republican-oriented FOX news calls those that accept the cheap oil as "traitors" and "terrorist sponsors".
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lastmovement, you need to
lastmovement, you need to correct your first post. There is no way that this discounted oil is only available to Black people. No way. Poor people yes, but not limited to only poor Black people. No company could get away with conducting business in such a racist manor.
After watching the documentary...I'm convinced Bush is the Devil
Once again, the US Government is the real tyrant. They may say they support democracy but it's obvious their actions show their true nature.
I am so asshamed of my government... What a sorry bunch.
We should learn from the Venezulans.
http://www.freedocumentar...
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Hugo Chavez is also for a South American Central bank.
I won't bad mouth him since it isn't my business, but he certainly isn't everything people make him out to be. NWO piece of the puzzle in place.
A South American Union, modeled along the European Union, was formed when the Union of South American Nations Treaty was signed last Friday, May 23, 2008. All twelve South American countries united under the treaty which seeks to form a common currency, passport, parliament, and defense. The UNASUR (Spanish: Union de Naciones Suramericanas) or UNASUL (Portuguese: Uniao de Nacoes Sul-Americanas) will be headquartered in Quito, Ecuador. Here is a list of the member countries of UNASUR:
Argentina
Bolivia
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Ecuador
Guyana
Paraguay
Peru
Suriname
Uruguay
Venezuela
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To be honest, just because Chavez is anti-Bush or anti our foreign policy doesn't mean he's anti-American.
I don't like Chavez for other reasons but Bush does not represent the America I know.
How black do you have to be?
Are there going to be genetic and genealogical studies done?
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1st of all it's not "free" it's at a 40% discount and secondly
it's not "blacks" it's people who can't afford 100% full price and third all major oil companies were asked and Citgo agreed,,,,,,but your title is much more "catchy"
"Truth" and "History" are relative...
"free" markets
I think what the councilman meant was that freeing up sectors of the market tends to initially produce a certain degree of unemployment... for us. When more sectors of the world economy are opened up, it is only a natural assumption that some businesses and corporations would relocate, or atleast expand, to those areas of the world, thus, creating a loss of some "x" amount of jobs in the US. Cheaper labor is obviously the largest catalyst of this reaction.
How is the councilman ignorant for having recognized this? If anything, I would say that he is more enlightened than most people in this country to what is going on with the global economy.
The councilman was not trying to insult our ideals of a free market economy. He was actually trying to comment on what Hugo Chavez has done with Venezuela (destroying the free market in his nation, thus lowering unemployment). To understand this, you have to consider the "world unemployment" rate as opposed to just ours. There are many areas of the world that we are not free to trade with, thus, our unemployment rate is much, much lower than most of the world. However, as markets free up, things start to level off.
Example- a business moves to China, taking 5,000 jobs with it.
Result- US unemployment goes up, China's unemployment goes down, World unemployment stays the same. (Not to say that we are completely cut off from China, just trying to prove a point.)
Get the picture?
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Chavez sure knows how to
Chavez sure knows how to divert attention from his own failings, doesn't he? Quite a performance on his part.
Why just to poor blacks??
Why not to the poor in general?? If he would go that route, I would support it, but not just giving it to "poor blacks."
Hi Jrb,the title of this post imho,is very misleading I counted
3 "untruths" in it. (pls see my post above for clarification) and also please watch youtube (from faux) with interview w/councilman for what is actually being done. I am not saying I agree 100% w/what is going on but I am saying that I have a problem with a misleading race baiting post that is in essencs a lie. Take that foir what you will and make up your own mind. Peace out Betsy!
"Truth" and "History" are relative...
I'm not sure lowering taxes on gas
Fortune Favors the Bold
would help at this point. The truth is, the market distortions that have come from oil have been going on so long, targeted deregulation will only make the problem worse in the long run.
**REPOST** Let's get to the point here
What Chavez does with his oil or any other oil in Venezuela is none of our damn business. If people disagree with his policy, they don't have to buy his oil or accept it for free. This is truth. There is no need to debate what Chavez is doing. The people of his country chose him to run it, and they are responsible for what he does, not us, not anyone else. If Venezuelans hated Chavez and what he stood for, they would throw him out on his ass. Fortunately for them, they don't have a propaganda machine paid by bankers ramming groupthink down their throats.
Chavez will not allow a central bank in his country. Remember what happened to the US in 1812 because of this? Remember the struggles of Andrew Jackson? If not, you'd better go bone up. The bankers are out to get anyone who won't let them play in their yard, and they have the money and 'friends' to back it up.
I would say that the whole uproar over Chavez has less to do with oil and social policies than it does with the bankers. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.
I, for one, will leave Hugo Chavez alone.
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
nice
well said!!! :)
Great comment!
I agree with you and we should leave Hugo Chavez alone. I am actually starting to see how the propaganda machines make certain people look like monsters because they don't "conform". Find the truth for yourself, question everything, but don't be to quick to judge.
Chavez
Fortune Favors the Bold
is not the second coming of hitler the neo-cons make him out to me. He is also not the great hero the socialists make him about to be. He is a moderately benevolent dictator. Still a dictator.
In alot of third world countries, the "capitalism" they have is closer to kleptocracy. Chavez was probably a moderate improvement over the previous system. But make no mistake, he is a communist dictator. Somehow I feel, if the tide turned, and he was was no longer as popular, he would "know better" then the people and remain in power anyway.
No he is not...
Chavez is NOT a dictator. You watch too much Fox.
He has been elected time and again by a sweeping majority of the people.
Last year or whenever it was, he put forth a referendum, asking the people whether or not they would like him to run the country for (I can't recall if it was another term or perhaps more) a longer term. The people, by a close count decided no, and that was the end of the story. At the end of this term he will stand down.
Is that a dictator?
Give your head a shake my friend.
Looks like I need more schooling
Thanks for the reply to my comment! I was not being wise, and I jumped the gun. Sometimes I get ahead of myself, and assume things. Anyway, I need to remember not to judge until all the facts are in, or preferably not judge anyone at all, and just live my life, and deal with my own problems. Anyway, Chavez still seems to be in the right on this issue of giving people oil if he wants to.........as long as it is HIS own personal oil, and not the oil of the Venezuela people. Anyway, I will butt out of this topic, as I am not well educated on this subject, and I would do best to keep my mouth closed.
"Live for nothing, or Die for something" ~ Rambo
So what?
That position is purely theoretical and cannot be proven. Even if that did happen, what business would it be of ours?
Our concern is THIS country, a fascist empire run on deceit and lies. We have our own problems, let the people of Venezuela worry about Hugo Chavez.
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
Learn more about Chavez
The Revolution will not be televised. Excellent documentary shows how brave this guy really is.
http://www.freedocumentar...
Well if I had a choice between Chavez and Bush...
I would have to go with Chavez. And it wouldn't be close!
If we are going to think and do as non-interventionists we have to allow Venezulans to do there thing as they please. Venezula as Iran represents no threat to the USA other than exposing our government for what it is.
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I'm certainly LESS WORRIED
I'm certainly LESS WORRIED about Chavez than Bush! Bush has almost destroyed this country constitutionally.
I really don't care much if Chavez gives away oil to black people--as Thomas Jefferson says, "That neither picks my pocket, nor breaks my leg."
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Thats what fox thinks.
My state was one of the first to receive heating oil back in 2005. (CT,MA,NY were the first). Kennedy and the mayors of Harlem and New Haven were soon forced to defend this as media attacked full force. Even though the government buys the majority of the oil from Chavez. I know they were only mad at the discount and that they werent allowed to sell it at full price. Its kinda sick when the guy that they portray as Hitler is the one helping the poor. How christian like I know Bush hates real christians.
This program was designed for the poor, Fox just paints it as if your poor your black. It was part of a energy assistance program. Too bad we dont have one.
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*paints self black and moves
*paints self black and moves to Detroit*
Charles Barron, great job.
Charles Barron, great job. Thank you for telling it like it is with fact's that the talking head couldn't refute. The only thing that he could say in response was well he's a thug and a terrorist. Is this real journalism? Sounded more like a 2nd grader arguing with his Teacher .
"Do not give into evil, but proceed ever more boldly against it."
You'll have to dig...
....a bit, but when you find out what the US has done to Chavez and his family PERSONALLY....you will understand his hatred of the US government...any one of us would as well. We're talking CIA spooks threatening his kids' lives, etc...you know, the same crap America has pulled all over the world for decades.
I have never heard what Senior Chavez has to say about RP...anyone know?
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If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!
Chavez is too smart to say anything
He knows what our propaganda machine (MSM) would do to Dr. Paul if he publicly supported him
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
Anti-American...hum...were have I heard that before ?
As an offshore patriot with over 23 yrs. in Latin America ( Costa Rica & Columbia ) I can tell you first hand. Hugo Chavez is a friend of Ron Paul's and of the truth movement. He is fighting against the same global forces that attack us.
No electronic voting machines are necessary when you have 80+% of the popular vote. When the pueblo didn't thnk his policy was right they voted it out ( as was done a few months ago ). No shams...No shills.
Discover Costa Rica
"offshore patriot"? wouldn't you be an expat?
I often consider selling all my crap and moving to Costa Rica. Could I be an offshore patriot too? Doesn't really matter I guess. At least I wouldn't be concerned with the coming police state.
Don't the Chinese own the Panama canal? Is there REALLY any place to go?
Connecting dots
Sure, Chavez can buy oil for people if he wants. And yet...well, I'm not exactly sure what to make of this chain of ideas; maybe someone can fill in the blanks...
- a leader of a foreign nation, who isn't exactly known for being a liberty-loving, freedom-forwarding type of leader, benevolently directs his charity towards those in our population who crave assistance (and who often feel it is their birthright to be supported by our government from cradle to grave). Naturally, they are thrilled to get their free lunch.
- filled with deep appreciation and a recognition that, "Hey, at least some government is helping us," a broader acceptance of allowing other nations to provide for us sets in. The notion of being beholden to these other nations either doesn't enter into consideration, or is shrugged off as not a problem.
- more people struggling to make ends meet see this generosity lavished upon the poor, and start mentioning that they're having trouble buying gas (and food and etc.) too, and by golly, they want their piece of this charitable pie
- the notion of "where's my free pie?" grows across more demographics, as more people feel the sting of favoritism and don't want to be left out of the free-for-all...especially as gas climbs to $6, $7, $10/gallon...
- those who would be president of the U.S. point to the success of working together with other nations (which would be more accurately described as allowing other governments to dictate how we live) and use that as a springboard to further the enthusiasm for one world government
- combine this with Obama's bill for our U.S. taxpayers to "donate" .7% (.07%?) to other nations; a commitment which would put us under UN rules mandating that our people be relieved of small arms (handguns and the like) -- many, many people cheer on the Helping Others Because That's Nice philosophy and either miss or (again) shrug off the consequences (lost ability to arm yourself)
- with free gas in the tank and that fuzzy, warm feeling we get from sending our money to other nations to improve the lives of other nation's people, more Americans get on the bandwagon of worldwide happiness (aka one world government)
- while it seems that Americans get more Chuck E. Cheese tokens in the form of free gas and/or other subsidies, those "gifts" come with a hefty price. In this case, it goes beyond mandatory purchase of pizza that tastes like cardboard and a room full of loud arcade games populated with oversized costumed characters; instead, the price exacted involves giving up sovereignty, losing the protections of our Constitution, and the hope of freedom for our children.
- we all work together to make this globe a happy, shiny place, and all you need to do in return is give up all your sovereignty, but that's okay because our benevolent overlords assure us, "We'll Take Good Care Of You"
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts is a warning not limited to Greeks.
Chavez rocks
Hugo Chavez, in my books, has always been a genuine champion for the little guy. He is fair and democratic in his policies and THAT is why the Bush Regime can not tolerate him.
The Bush Dictatorship punishes anyone that doesn't tow the OPEC or the AIPEC lines as we can see with Iraq, Afganistan and Iran. US would be in way better hands with Chavez running it as opposed the the Strausian Bushites.
I also felt like putting my fist right through that Fox A-Holes face. The Congressman was awesome and he told it like it is.
There, now my morning rant is complete.
Chavez had his flaws Gnat,
Chavez had his flaws Gnat, he is not for a republic which respects the rights of the individual and that restricts the governments power. So his socialist system effects in the long run, bigger government, less freedom and the dangers of more governmental abuse. So there is ONLY ONE WHO REALLY ROCKS!
RON PAUL!
Just like Dubya!
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Just like Dubya!
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How do you give oil?
I'm confused... how does this happen? Can black people go to a special store and pick up a jug of oil? How black do you have to be? Is it just heating oil? Do you have to be a member of the BFC (Blacks for Chavez) club, and call up with your membership #, and they deliver it? Just doesn't make sense to me, please enlighten me.
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
Chavez Has Made Repeated
Attempts to sell oil at no more than $50 US/barrel oil to the major refineries only to be turned down. It is important to note here that most the oil giants are vertically integrated companies that aren't short on supply so of course they decline, as they would only undercut their own overpriced production.
Since Chavez's original offer he has now begun to ship heating and cooking oil to many third world nations in order to undercut the international oil cabal.
Most of his offers get suppressed by mainstream news outlets as propaganda, so once again he shifted his policy to deal with independent companies and work from the ground up
that makes sense, but...
how does it get to just a certain faction of our population???
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
Where to start? First, I
Where to start? First, I beleive this is from a while back, at least several months, as Joe Kennedy has been getting oil from Chavez for a long time now. Second, NO WHERE in the report does it say "to blacks" this is some one else's own RACIST embellishment! It is to POOR people, and I hate to break it to ya, they come in ALL COLORS!!!! So please, cut out the racist crap, especially when posting in a Ron Paul forum, it just adds fuel to the fire that he and his supporters are racist. Third, and then I am done with this, Fux news??? You are siding with the slant of Fux News??? Right there I would question you in posting this!!!
"Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies."
That's a better nickname for
That's a better nickname for FOX, especially if you consider Bill O'Reilly's vocabulary.
People have been calling it "Faux News", which is pretty funny--but the word 'faux' is actually pronounced "foe", not "fox".
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I think you misinterpreted what he was saying
The post was attacking Fox News, he said Chavez was helping blacks because in the interview the councilman mentions only predominantly black ares; Harlem, etc.
Wow this is great
I thought the comments to this post would be a Hugo Chavez hate-fest. I'm really proud that everyone here has the brains to think for themselves. I don't agree with Hugo Chavez's beliefs that socialism is the best system, but I've never seen any evidence that he is a "dictator." I watched one of the best documentaries ever and he was in it, it was called "The War on Democracy."
http://freedocumentaries....
If it was Bush
we'd be singing a different tune. If Bush was the one taking private businesses and making them government owned, we would be up in arms because that is a dictator.
If Bush shut down all news station besides Fox News, we would be up in arms because that is a dictator.
If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were arrested for political subversion, we would be up in arms, because that is a dictator.
If WE were arrested for protesting Bush, well no one would be up in arms, but he would still be a dictator.
But anyone opposed to Bush is praised as a hero.
I have the brains to think for myself, AND see that Chavez is no good guy.
Now you are exaggerating on
Now you are exaggerating on all your points! For what I happen to know there is commercial television in Venezuela with free speech, the people are allowed to speak freely, and he has political opponents. And he surely doesn't governs all businesses there, that is crap. Just energy comps, public transport I guess too, those kind of things.
if every tyrant was seen as a tyrant, the wouldn't last
sadly, I'm really not
There is "some" commercial television in Venezuela but the unspoken rule has become, take a pro Chavez stance or be shut down. As happened to RCTV the largest commercial and most popular station in the country. So much for free speech.
Chavez has moved slowly, if he hadn't, he wouldn't have stayed in power. He has nationalized the oil, he has nationalized most television, all but one radio station, he has announced plans to nationalize electricity and telephone services. Chavez has no real political opponents, the main opposition leader was jailed for trying to start a coup. And the opposition in the legislator walked out in protest saying Chavez would go around them anyway. All 167 members of the legislator are Chavez allies now.
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
-Pastor Martin Niemöller
Again, I'm not pro-Chavez BUT
From what I understand, the people who committed the coup in 1992 owned the tv station that he shut down. So that is why he shut it down. I haven't heard anything about him shutting down any other media though.
He has nationalized a lot of industries, but they still live in a socialist democracy. He has a massive amount of support there because the majority of the people there are poor and he has implemented such things as a literacy program. Things we take for granted. The reason I'm skeptical to call him a dictator is because there is still a democratic process in the country. He even proposed an amendment to their constitution recently that would allow him to have three terms? or indefinite terms as president?, (I don't really remember) , the people voted against it and he accepted that.
As far as him taking over businesses, I worked with someone from Venezuela a few months ago (who is very pro-America, she did immigrate here after all) and even she admitted that her family (who was in the oil industry) was paid a decent amount of money to give up their oil company. So it's not like they just stole it. They compensated them for it just like they do in the US when they use eminent domain. (Again, I don't share those beliefs but I haven't seen any evidence that he is a dictator)
The US has no free market anymore!
If the US had a truly free market, that means no FED! Then Chavez his cheap oil was probably not desired, or not as much. But there is no free market right now, that is why too many people are suffering here in the US. There are only illusions, illusions of a free market, illusions of a democracy, and Chavez knows this and hates it! Why does he hate it? Probably because there was much blood spill of the Venezuelan people to finally get rid of their elite government including the foreign intruders who controlled their elite -- which he believes the USA government!. He sees the USA government as the spill of the former suppression of his people and wants to change that system for other countries as well. And yes, Chavez is a socialist, and yes, we at daily paul are true republicans. That is a VERY big difference. We believe the solution is a limited democracy with rights for the individual. Chavez believes the solution is socialism. At least they know what they have, here we think that we know what we have. And that is worse!
the free market is greatly restricted
"But there is no free market right now, that is why too many people are suffering here in the US. There are only illusions, illusions of a free market, illusions of a democracy, and Chavez knows this and hates it!"
Yeah, I was just replying to the Councilman's statement that the free market creates unemployment, we certainly don't have a lot of it. But Chavez doesn't hate our illusions of a free market or democracy, he just hates free markets and democracy. Since coming to power Chavex has destroyed any free market that Venezuela had, and has crushed democracy. He hates America because we meddle in other countries affairs
When Venezuelan lawyers and congressmen march in the streets protesting the abduction of their rights, plain and simply there is a tyrant ruling Venezuela.
I don't believe Chavez's rise to power was bloody.
Well, I think that most
Well, I think that most Venezuelans are much better off now that he is in power, then before. That said, and I agree with you on that, it is not so sure for how long that is. Because he didn't installed a republic and he does give himself more power, and I am not too sure about his free market philosophies, but at least the oil stays within government property.
So those are principles opposed to what we become to believe in and seriously support. Thanks to Ron Paul we all know how socialism ends, more government and less freedom for the people.
None the less, it doesn't make the person Chavez evil or something, Because for now I happen to think that he does what he thinks is best for the people.
And his rise to power was a real struggle for the people, that is for sure.
Hmmm.
15 hijackers on 911 were Saudi, the Bush Family makes money from the Suadis what does that make the Bush Family?
Is he really "anti-american"?
From what I've heard of his quotes, he is not anti-american but just anti Bush administration. In that case, most of us would be considered anit-American...
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
What bothers me
is that any country is aiding any of our citizens here.
When there is a disaster around the world, like the Tsunami, the American people and whether you like it or not our government, has always given aid. When Katrina hit we didn't get help from other countries.
To me this signifies a possible turning point: our poor being aided by other governments, not us. It makes us look beta - weak and needy.