Barr & Root think they'll get the Revolution & $30 million
Barr & Root watched us in the Revolution raise over $30 million for Dr. Ron Paul. They noted that he was principled libertarian, who had a principled disagreement with the LP over abortion and the immigration issue (sort of, he never mentioned the Blue Card solution).
These two think that the Revolution will now come their way. Why? They reason that we have no where else to go.
My question to you is..... Is that true?
It seems to me that we in the Revolution have made a choice. I am now a Republican Delegate, working on the inside. It is kind of funny, we have Barr & Root two hard core conservatives working the inside of the LP while this long time libertarian works inside the Republican Party.
Nevertheless, I do not think or feel that we in the Revolution are going to get behind Barr & Root. I may be wrong on this,..... so let me know your thoughts.
Also, I was happy to see liberal Mike Gravel join the LP. I hope other liberals and progressives join the libertarian party and the movement. The more who are exposed to the principles of Life Liberty & Property and try to consistently apply them, the better.
Here is the ticket I wish to see....and perhaps we in the Revolution should just FORCE the issue. Make a money bomb for it, videos for it, posters, bumper stickers, banners...etc. Call it Monkey Wrenching the voters Paul/Ventura 2008
Think about it. It kicks butt! Ron Paul / Jesse Ventura 2008
Paul/Ventura beats hands down Obama/Hillary
Paul/Ventura beats hands down McCain/Lieberman
Paul/Ventura beats hands down Barr/Root
The down to earth integrity of both Paul & Ventura will win any General Election. We could even set up a INTERNET VOTE for the General Election. A virtual Race.... we could have all sorts of fun running with this...
You run with it too... Treg
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Barr's picture scares me. I
Barr's picture scares me. I have no desire to google his name. And his VP gave to Liebermann? yuck.
Jesse has a distinct chance to WIN a Senate seat in MN
I don't disagree that a Ron Paul Jesse Ventura ticket wouldn't be a WINNER but once again as Jesse says... it's a ballot access problem. In addition with the corrupt voting systems we need to have a movement... not just a few people... we need an army of people in key positions... like election supervisors for example.
We are currently beginning to expose the corrupt practices of the powers that be in the Republican party and we need do the same with the Democrats...
We have allot to do... to continue to get the world out, develop our network of communicating the truth to the average American, discrediting the corporate media, moving people into the system and continuing to raise the important issues one person at a time if necessary. We've got to continue to let people know there is another way... and they have to participate... 50 million people voted in the primaries... but theres another 200 million that didn't vote that could have!!!! We need to get those people fired up!
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Barr Never donated to Ron Paul in HIS LIFE. Heres his records
Bob Barr NEVER EVER DONATED TO Dr. Ron Paul in HIS LIFE
Check out the donation records.
after you see it try Chuck Baldwin in Florida and youll see he donated on December 16th Tea Party Day. Ofcourse not counting all the money he spent to for expenses to fly and travel accross the US to campaign for the Good Doc
Heres Barr's Donation record since 1996 till date
http://opensecrets.org/in...
Since I made so many threads about Bob Barr I encourage someone else to write about this crap
Oh yeah and btw Barr's VP donated to Joe Lieberman and endorsed a McCain-Lieberman Ticket for POTUS
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
Thanks NotOver
Real great freind and supporter. What do they think they are dealing with here a bunch of kids. No one is going to pull anything over on us and there aren't going to be any rocks left unturned. I will be away for a couple of days but keep up the good fight. Good find.
no thnk you fellow Conservative. you and most others stood up
for whats right when it was time to stand up for what's right. Well miss you victory. Have fun this weekend. No well leave no rocks unturned and no one will fool us again. United we stand Divided we fall. For that we also wont let anyone divide us
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
I don't think even Ron Paul could raise another $30 Million...
Not without reaching out to a LOT of new folks.
There are a LOT of Ron Paul supporters who feel they were "burned" (ripped off? suckered? defrauded? bamboozled? or just disappointed?) by the way the campaign squandered money, AND the way that they continue to hold MILLIONS ($1 of nearly every $6 raised) and NOT campaign with it.
Certainly not everyone feels that way -- but a LOT of people do.
So I sincerely doubt that the people who DO feel that way will be donating to ANY candidates any time soon -- and even if they do donate, it will be with less money (if only because the economy is tightening up so much).
I doubt Barr & Root will be able to raise 1/10 the amount that Ron Paul did -- unless they resort to going after "deep pocket" donors and other shenanigans (purportedly Barr's own "leadership PAC" has a million or so sitting around).
If
I could I would donate even more to the Ron Paul campaign. luckily I didn't max out. A good thing for it allowed me to purchase great gear for the March on D.C. I see B&R getting money from their old buddies from the CIA and Neocon's hell bent on stopping this movement.
Not going to happen.
Barr will not get one WORTHLESS dollar of mine. RP knows we will research everyone who wants our support and make the correct decision if we decide to not write in Ron Paul.
I think Sabrin/Ventura would be a great idea for 2012. RP too, but I'm not sure if he'll be up for it then.
Only one problem
Dr. Paul says he won't leave the Republican party to run on a third party ticket. Jesse has stated it's too late for him to consider a presidential run. Back to the drawing board.
What I would LOVE to see is the LP and Constitutional parties working together behind a single set of candidates. Still, I doubt RP would endorse anyone outside the Republican Party and, that's unfortunate.
The only way your scenario can work is if RP were to accept either the LP or Constitutional Party nomination which have already been decided.
RP's unwillingness to run third party has eliminated some very interesting possibilities.
That could have happened if
That could have happened if they'd chosen better candidates for the Libertarian Party, but that opportunity is lost, as the Libertarian Party is in ideological meltdown.
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Support the Constitution of the United States
What part of the ideology
does he not agree with, since his conversion?
Or is it your position that his conversion to libertarianism is not sincere? If so, do you have evidence for the lack of sincerity?
write in ron paul
forget barr.
DO NOT WRITE IN PAUL!You
DO NOT WRITE IN PAUL!
You people just don't get it do you?
In almost every state you have to file as a candidate for your write-in votes even to be counted.
Ron Paul has flat out said HE WILL NOT run as an Indp., so please get over yourselves an accecpt that no matter how hard you want Ron to be on the ballot in November- HE WILL NOT BE ON THE BALLOT!
This gives you 2 options:
1- Sulk all the way to the polls, write in Ron Paul- and watch as McCain or Obama become our next President- without the Revolution getting any support.
2- Vote Barr/Root and see just what the Revolution can do. Sure Barr/Root is not the greatest ticket- but it is the best chance for Liberty we have.
You people may think that I am a "Troll", but I can guarntee that the 3 months before the election here in Ohio- I worked harder than half the people opn here to elect Ron.
I am only 17 years old- plese help the Revolution grow- support Barr/Root 2008......
Hey, kid. Have you heard of
Hey, kid.
Have you heard of the Patriot Act?
Have you heard of neoconservatives?
This ticket is tainted by BOTH.
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Support the Constitution of the United States
Hey, Kev. Have you ever
Hey, Kev.
Have you ever heard of change?
Maybe he made a bad choice. I refuse to use that agasint him, he is running on a Liberty platform NOW. He must have really had a change of heart because he had it pretty good in the Rpublican party.
You are one of those people who think this is only a Ron Paul Revolution when in reality iot is a freedom Revolution.
You have Blinders on right now, can you not see what we can do by supporting Barr/Root?
He is not that well known- what people will see of him, and what people will vote for him on is a pro- freedom agenda?
Is he worse than John McCain? I think not..........
Hey, Hen
If he has changed so much has he ever talked about repealing that bad choice he made? Haven't heard that come up yet. How many of you guys does he have over here working this site? You seem to be popping up all over the place.
HAHA
Your an idiot
I am a High School Junior from Central Ohio- I don't work for anyone. Do you think that Bob Barr hires little people to invade the daily paul? you are just so stuck on Dr. Paul, even when he has said it is time to MOVE ON! So please get off of your high horse and support liberty, the movement- not a specific person!
youre a naughty junior who deserves a spanking by his mom
Learn how to respect your elders kid.
Bob Barr is scum why the Hell would I donate to someone who never donated to Ron Paul in his life or even endorsed Ron Paul?
Dont tell me the intro for the CPAC speech. This scum bag never officially endorsed the Good Doctor
If you trust his conversion why not Trust Obama
For the sake of it even McCain is now promising to return the troops by 2013
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
What?
B&R are recruiting high schoolers. What is he paying you in cigarettes? Booze? This is getting out of hand. I feel insulted that they expect us to roll over for a bunch of insolent high school whelps. Ron Paul welcomes you in from the cold hand of B&R if you desire. BTW Obama was here, he's looking for some kids who want to jump on his change bandwagon.
Hey, Kev. Have you ever
Hey, Kev.
Have you ever heard of change?
Maybe he made a bad choice. I refuse to use that agasint him, he is running on a Liberty platform NOW. He must have really had a change of heart because he had it pretty good in the Rpublican party.
You are one of those people who think this is only a Ron Paul Revolution when in reality iot is a freedom Revolution.
You have Blinders on right now, can you not see what we can do by supporting Barr/Root?
He is not that well known- what people will see of him, and what people will vote for him on is a pro- freedom agenda?
Is he worse than John McCain? I think not..........
Barr
If Barr understood anything about the Constitution he would have never voted yes on the Iraq war.
Being true to the Constitution means that no lies can fool you into ignoring it.
He is a plant by the elite to diffuse the movement. We will see more of them.
The "30 million" they are after is now flowing to Congressional races. And they will continue to flow in the years to come.
While many see the Presidency as the holy grail of this movement, we need to understand that the reason America is in the pickle it's in is because Congress has failed to uphold their oath of office.
The unitary Executive, preemptive war, the nanny state, civil liberties, all these things can be fixed with a Constitutionally honoring Congress.
Congress is supposed to be the "people's voice" in government, and the people have been derelict in their duty to monitor them. So Congress has been hijacked by Corporations and elitists.
It's time to take Congress back. Educate your neighbors, your friends that Congress belongs to them, and THEY are responsible for it's actions.
Im sorry NJforRP
But the Barr supporters will tell you Barr voted for the Patriot act and the war to stop them.
Do you see the logic?
Its a complex thing but nearly a million Iraqis and 4000 American soldiers had to die because of Barr and people like him. But no those people had to die to stop the war. Privacy for Americans and warantless searches and seizures because of Barr were only a means to stop them. Nice logic. I wonder if Bush and Rove supporters have the same logic?
Join a gang of bank robbers and once youre caught tell the judge I joined to stop them and talk sanity into them. See where that will get you
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
Most importantly, the
Most importantly, the Patriot Act was enacted with Barr's help, and it is still doing our republic GREAT HARM! Barr's ineffectual "sunset provision" probably helped sell the concept to the small minority of Congressmen who have read more than 27 words of the Bill of Rights.
So Barr has betrayed us. Period. I'm tired of hearing his apologists spin his act of constitution betrayal.
As for Root, he's a bloody neo-con who donated to Joe Lieberman's campaign (and not to Ron Paul's, as many of us have).
So you have a traitor and a neo-con.
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Support the Constitution of the United States
thnks Kevin Exactly
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
Bah
If I wanted to vote for Bar or Root I would have switched to the Libertarian Party. I did watch the LP convention on CSpan and was amazed at how American it felt until I saw Root talking. That guy is a snake in the grass just like all the other politicians we are trying to get away from. When I watched him speak I thought to myself different name same personality. That guy is no more for the cause of liberty than Kissinger. The LP will not get my support as much as I want to give it to them. They did have my support for about 30 minutes as I was amazed by the proceedings and transparency of the vote. They lost it as soon as I saw Root talking like a used car salesman.
How about NO MORE BARR
How about NO MORE BARR threads for them to post on!
i second that!!!! IM VOTING
i second that!!!!
IM VOTING RON PAUL DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will
Third that. I am voting for..well.. take a guess. Hint its Ron Paul.
Fourth that. I'm voting absentee and writing-in Ron Paul.
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"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all."
-Dale Carnegie
fifth
fifth
No more Barr
this is the DP!
Bar Barr
and the Barr brats too. They are here to try to defuse the real Revolution and cause division amongst Ron Paul supporters. They are insulting him and us by repeatedly saying he is no longer in the race, a vote for him would be wasted, that his message is the same as Barrs as well as taking over the Forums and deleating our posts and treads. If they love this guy so much and are so anti-Ron Paul then what are they here for other than trying to start trouble?
They are either brainwashed
They are either brainwashed or they are frauds. They have been coming here for some time. First it was Huckabees and we took a posture of write-in which is an admission of rejection to all other options. Now they return with their own versions of plan B trying desperately to sneak one in before September.
But what they don't seem to get is this Revolution is not turnkey. It's nurtured which means plan B will develop within the revolution, not be installed.
Any plan to vote committed to any plan B at this time is naive and I have serious reservations about real RP supporters being naive and that doesn't leave many options.
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
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Well, there is 5, no 6, no 7
Well, there is 5, no 6, no 7 sheep that will not have there vote counted.
Secondly, how are you so dilusional to think that Barr Supporters are anti-Ron Paul. Every Barr supporter I have seen on here has said they would rather vote for RP, but they are not stuck in February 2008, and know he will not be on the ballot. Get a clue and leave the cult. (are you a polygamist also?) It is not about one personality. It is the message.
Hey there Raymond
If there are only four of us here why are you calling it a "cult" and if you had read the post giving my reasons you would see the anti-Ron Paul things you guys are doing. You are correct it is not about the personality at all. For all I know Mr. Barr may be alot of fun; his Borat moment was kind of funny, but I don't see a MESSAGE coming from him. Ron Paul has a wonderful personality but that is not what we are going for it is the MESSAGE. Now, do you have a clue? How in the hell do you know what is going to happen in the future. Do you have a crystal ball you would like to share with us or do you belong to a cult that mindlessly repeats "the message of liberty" over and over without defining what that means like Obama with "change, change, change". If you can't come up with something better than that maybe you are the delusional one.
Paul/Ventura FTW! i dont
Paul/Ventura FTW!
i dont think id be voting barr. i honestly dont know him all that well and plan to do some good research in the coming weeks when i have some more time from my as of lately busy schedule.
funny side note, i was watching olbermann interview with mcclellan tonight as it was on the tvs at my local gym, and olbermann asked him who he liked as president. he responded that he has been too busy with his book to really take notice but he plans to really sit down and listen to the candidates points of view before he decides. when have we all turned into a bunch of morons (collectively speaking, not here at the DP) where we all trust what a candidate says at any given minute of the day? at least any traditional candidate. RP can slay any talking head, doesnt have to make shit up. but hes definitely the exception here.
IR8 I advise you to look through my posts. Ive written so much
Regarding Barr and his Vice President
Start with my: "Some Straight Talk on the Hon. Bob Barr" thread
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
I Support Barr
Call me what you will, but I support Barr.
I've followed/supported Ron Paul from day 1, and Bob Barr will now get my vote.
Bob Barr is not a neo-con, but I don't expect too many here will believe me. He's always been a pain in Bush's side. (read his wiki page).
Bob Barr voted for the Patriot Act for the sole purpose of putting in sunset provisions where it must be voted on every 5 years. If not for Barr voting for it the provisions wouldn't be there and it would be permanent. He testified before Congress in 2005 against the Patriot Act.
Bob Barr voted for the Iraq war authorization. Only 6 Republicans voted against it. Barr believed the Bush lies just like the majority of the American people did following 9-11. Even Ron Paul fell victim to this when he voted for going into Afghanistan then later regretted it because of the way it was mishandled. There is room for regret and repentance.
As member of the Libertarian Party National Committee, Bob Barr proposed the resolution back in December requesting Ron Paul run as the Libertarian nominee if he fails to win the GOP nomination. It passed unanimously. This was effectively even stronger than a standard endorsement.
Finally, Bob Barr is spreading Ron Paul's message right now regardless of the way he voted in the past. He also has great mainstream media access giving him the avenue to spread the liberty message to more people. At this point it really is all about the message, not the man, as Ron Paul has said. Bob Barr is the only candidate left who can effectively spread that message.
Writing in Ron Paul does nothing but help your own conscience. It will not help spread the liberty message.
For these reasons I will support Bob Barr and I will support Ron Paul. Both can be done up until going into that voting booth. At that time I will vote for Bob Barr.
If Barr gets enough votes (he won't win) it can/will make it easier for the LP to be on the ballot in 2012. It will show that a third party can be viable.
I'm voting for Bob Barr for practical reasons that will help the Ron Paul message grow.
If Bush can lie to Barr and
If Bush can lie to Barr and he bought it. Anybody can lie to Barr and he will buy it. From the moment Bush laid out his platform pre-2000 election I knew he was lying and only here to finish the job of his predecessors. Here again my bullshit detector is blowing up. Barr is a fraud, but have fun being lied to again.
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
http://www.bmvgroupinc.co... Never tie your shoes again. Ever! While helping me get to St.Paul!
a lot of people
a lot of people unfortunately fell for Bush's lies and some of them have sinced realized their mistake and joined the Ron Paul Revolution. I won't hold that against them and act like a paranoid suspecting they are infiltrating the movement to destroy it. I will hold it against you though if you refuse to take your "Ron Paul is the only one" blinders off and start creating this ridiculous cult of personality around him that renders the movement inneffectual in the long run.
And
You think we care about your non support for Ron Paul why? Seeing as how this is a Ron Paul support forum. Dam it feeding those trolls again.
I don't think Ron need our
I don't think Ron need our support at this time. He already won with 71% of the vote.
The message on the other hand, could use a little support. So get over your cult of personality.
Hey Treg...haven't seen you since the HQ sucks posts
I think this is THE best idea for a chance for the POTUS.
Getting the two together very powerful.
Getting RP or his deadbeat advisers to get hungry for it? unlikely, but hoping.
I am beginning to lose hope if this idea does not catch on.
I cannot vote for any other candidates...period
This could be BIG if all parties came together and ran with it.
RP is 72 and there wont be another chance.
Ventura has the balls to go where many wont....
People will respond to REAL truth not fake change.
This revolution needs a shot in the arm....BAD....we are fading...not gaining
Anyway,good to see you back Treg
flame away....
ha...
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haven't seen you since the HQ sucks posts ;-)
I agree with Ignornanceisbliss and Treg on EVERY account.
Paul / Ventura 2008 !
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Really glad to see you back, Treg, one of the ALL-TIME greatest members of the hoard!
I dedicate this to you and your paint splattered shoes...
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I'm ALL For Paul
I marching in Washington on the 12th of July ... even if I'm the only dumb bastard that shows up. I'm marching to Minneapolis - hopefully from Green Bay - see what my schedule allows. Unless Dr Paul endorses another candidate, I am voting for him in the fall, even if I have to write him in. Moreover ...
I am working on the Fed issue, and I will tirelessly berate my Illinois congress people to resume silver coinage, and get rid of the central bank. I will be supporting liberty-minded candidates in every election, at every level from dog catcher to president from now until the day I die. That's the plan.
Sounds like a
good plan. Thanks for sharing.
Dr. Paul said it himself....
Dr.Paul said it himself. The R3volution is about much more than just one man. I have been a Libertarian Party member for over 10 years. I first learned about the LP and the ideals of freedom from a Republican congressman from Texas in 88 who was endorsed by Timothy Leary to run for president. I thought he was a radical and that is what I was looking for but I was too young to vote. Barr is no saint for sure, but as the Libertarian pick he is worth a look. He is no Harry Browne or Ron Paul..... but..... The Libertarian Party is an important part of the R3volution they have been all about it and fighting the up hill battle for ballot access and education for 35 years for freedom and they still can be a viable conduit to the white house.
The thing about Barr is that he is really just the kind of person we need. He was on the other side and he came to a great awakening. He publicly has apologized for his prior thinking and voting. We have a nation of people to convert. If Barr can come over to our side anyone can. I always send money to the LP nominee and support the local party. I am also in the Republican Party due to Ron Paul's campaign and a delegate to the state convention. I believe Barr is sincere and that his conversion is genuine. He has been fighting to end the Patriot Act and to repeal bills on pot he once supported and authored. If we can not forgive a man who basically crucified him self at the LP convention we have learned nothing from Dr. Paul. We have 534 members of congress and 100 in the senate that need to make the jump the Mr. Barr has made. If his run is a success and he can raise money it will send a message that the Ron Paul revolution was not some fluke about a lovable Congressman and his kooky cult followers. It will send a message that it is freedom and limited government that is popular. Barr wants to end the patriot act and was the one who made sure it had a sun set clause in it. I see his run as nothing but positive and it is an extension of this movement. Barr needs to be in the debates to bring up our issues. Ending the war and the PATRIOT act, ending REAL ID and federalism. The only way he will get in the debates is for him to get 15% support. Sitting around with your Ron Paul slim jims and your one horse who will likely not have a chance to debate Obama on the national stage while there is a man who can and will carry our issues in to the national debate is really closed minded. I may still end up writing in Ron Paul but I will vote for Barr in any poll I see if Ron Paul is not included and might send him some money to.
well said...
I just wish more people realized he has had a true conversion...
Thanks
for that thoughtful message, and I agree.
Good luck getting some of these people to see the light.
The light is shining on you,
The light is shining on you, bedr1, and a few others right now :-)