FLDS children to begin returning home Monday!!!!!
Posted May 30th, 2008 by Jdayh
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Sect children to begin returning home Monday
Tentative deal reached between state, polygamists
SAN ANGELO, Texas - Texas authorities and a polygamist sect reached a tentative agreement to begin returning children taken by the state starting Monday.
A draft agreement released in court by Texas Child Protective Services attorney Gary Banks on Friday said the parents can get their children back after showing identifications and pledging to take parenting classes and remain in Texas.
The agreement was reached with the 38 mothers of the 124 children who filed the complaint that prompted the Texas Supreme Court to rule Thursday that the state overstepped its authority in taking more than 400 children.
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But the deal would affect nearly all the children since they were removed under identical circumstances.
Huge custody case shattered
The ruling shattered one of the largest child-custody cases in U.S. history. State officials said the removals were necessary to end a cycle of sexual abuse at the ranch in which teenage girls were forced to marry and have sex with older men, but parents denied any abuse and said they were being persecuted for their religious beliefs.
Every child at the ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Eldorado was removed; half were 5 or younger.
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CPS officials said they were disappointed by the ruling but would take immediate steps to comply.
“We are disappointed, but we understand and respect the court’s decision,” the agency said in a written statement.
'We have hope'
FLDS elder Willie Jessop said parents were excited about the court’s decision but would remain apprehensive until they get their children back.
“We’re just looking forward to when little children can be in the arms of their parents,” he said. “Until you have your children in your hands, there’s no relief. But we have hope.”
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How DNA tests reveal polygamist sex practices
The Third Court of Appeals in Austin ruled last week that the state failed to show that any more than five of the teenage girls were being sexually abused, and had offered no evidence of sexual or physical abuse against the other children.
The FLDS, which teaches that polygamy brings glorification in heaven, is a breakaway sect of the Mormon church, which renounced polygamy more than a century ago.
Home base
Some facts about the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the polygamous sect whose Eldorado, Texas, compound was raided by authorities.
The traditional home base of the church has been the twin border towns of Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah. The church also has enclaves in Colorado, South Dakota, Texas and British Columbia.
There are an estimated 40,000 fundamentalists practicing polygamy across the Intermountain West. Some are part of organized churches and others are independents.
The FLDS is the largest-known polygamous sect. Membership is not published, but is estimated at roughly 6,000 based on U.S. Census numbers.
The FLDS incorporated as a church in the 1940s.
Roughly 430 children from the ranch are in foster care after two births, numerous reclassifications of adult women initially held as minors and a handful of agreements allowing parents to keep custody while the Supreme Court considered the case.
Texas officials claimed at one point that there were 31 teenage girls at the ranch who were pregnant or had been pregnant, but later conceded that about half of those mothers, if not more, were adults. One was 27.
Falling short of legal standard
Under state law, children can be taken from their parents if there’s a danger to their physical safety, an urgent need for protection and if officials made a reasonable effort to keep the children in their homes. The high court agreed with the appellate court that the seizures fell short of that standard.
CPS lawyers had argued that parents could remove their children from state jurisdiction if they regain custody, that DNA tests needed to confirm parentage are still pending and that the lower-court judge had discretion in the case.
The justices said child welfare officials can take numerous actions to protect children short of separating them from their parents and placing them in foster care, and that Walther may still put restrictions on the children and parents to address concerns that they may flee once reunited.
DNA taken from polygamist leader
Also Friday, Texas authorities collected DNA swabs from jailed polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs for an ongoing criminal investigation, an official said Friday.
A spokesman for the Texas Attorney General’s office, Jerry Strickland, said the samples were taken Thursday at an Arizona jail where Jeffs awaits trial on abuse charges.
A search warrant for the DNA alleges that Jeffs had so-called “spiritual” marriages with four girls, ages 12 to 15.
The criminal investigation is separate from the Texas custody case.
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In God We Trust!
May each and every individual who took part in this horrorific event in any way shape or form rot in hell with Bush and his gang also who love destroying peoples lives. They are filled with demons.
The wicked will never have peace!
Finaly
Thank god.
Impeach the Wicked Witch of West Texas!
See here:
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
aol poll on the FLDS children please vote
http://news.aol.com/story...
here are the current results....
Do you agree with the judge's decision?
No 41%
Yes 38%
I have mixed feelings 21%
Total Votes: 135,980
Overall, how have the polygamist families been treated by Texas authorities?
Fairly 39%
A bit of both 34%
Unfairly 27%
Total Votes: 121,660
as of 12:55 am EST
Which judge?
I skipped answering the first question, because of the lack of clarity.
The story spoke of not only Judge Walther's decision, but also the decisions of the Austin Appellate and the TX Supreme Court.
The question, "Do you agree with the judge's decision?" is intended, I believe, to mean Walther's decision, but, since it's not spelled out, it could refer to the other judges' decisions. I can just see a bunch of people voting "NO", and having AOL come back with a summary saying most people voted that they did not agree with the decision of the Austin Appellate Court or the TX SC.
Further, assuming it definitely means Walther's decision -- then, which one? Honestly, there's not one decision of Walther's that I'd agree with, but again, for the sake of clarity, she made several decisions: to authorize the warrant, bring the families in for a group hearing, storming out of the courtroom without signing the release, etc. etc.
Personally, I believe it is important to know precisely what one is agreeing or disagreeing with. The way the question is phrased is nebulous at best.
And this may be the confusion reflected in the results. Most respondents feel the FLDS were treated fairly...yet, most respondents DISagreed with the judge's decision. ???
If the majority of respondents disagreed with Judge Walthers' decision -- that her decision to take the kids was wrong in the first place -- how, then, is it that a majority of respondents believe the FLDS were treated fairly?
Should I have paid better attention in statistics classes? Am I missing something obvious?
ITS amazing when an intelligent person goes to a poll set up
for stupid people to participate in....I love it!!! Your right of course...which Judge? The supreme court judge, the witch judge....
What I want to know, is who
What I want to know, is who in the heckest of hecks are all those people who answer ‘yes’ to whether these people have been treated fairly?
The state has shown no, none, zip zero, zilch evidence of any crime whatsoever, yet hundreds of little children are rounded up and herded together like animals for months on end, not even being allowed to see their own siblings. I wonder what government would have to do to innocent people, before these dumbskulls’ pathetic little brains would realize that maybe, just maybe, there are some things nanny government does, that does not automatically qualify as fair.
Just the thought that here I am, robbed blind by some socialist taxman, just so I can help keep alive monkeys so completely devoid of even the most basic comprehension of justice and decency; makes me want to individually and unilaterally secede from this riffraff infested union once and for all.
Yes, the clueless may vote
At this point, most people have responded that they felt the FLDS were treated fairly.
The next largest group of respondents felt the FLDS were treated somewhat fairly and somewhat unfairly.
The fewest respondents felt the FLDS were treated unfairly.
Ladies and Gentlemen: meet your McCain electorate!
(Incidentally...why is this thread so w i d e ? )
This thread is so w i d e because of "IveSeenTheConst"...
....and his/her never-ending ??? below.
http://groups.yahoo.com/g...
Everyone Would Vote...
No doubt.
The ignorance of people is amazing, and it's kept that way by the mainstream media. The thing is, every single person would vote that the FLDS were treated unfairly if they knew the whole story and the truth. Every single person would definitely vote they were treated unfairly, if it had been their own kids that were torn away from them.
Just as nearly every single person would likely be voting for Ron Paul if they realized what is actually going on in this country...
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Walther signs extortionary FLDS order
Walther signs extortionary FLDS order
by Kurt Schulzke
http://iperceive.net/walt...
The shame of Texas deepens as — in the face of contrary rulings by the Texas Supreme Court and Third Court of Appeals — Judge Barbara Walther today defiantly signed an order vacating only the piece of her original order against the FLDS that granted custody of the children to the State. The presumptions of guilt against the FLDS remain. The new order also falsely characterizes as an “adversary hearing” the three-ring circus that Walther conducted in her courtroom back on April 17-18, 2008.
It is clear that some of the children will be released under the order if the parents comply with its intrusive terms. It is an open question how many of the children will return home (or when) given that the State of Texas has bled the FLDS financially dry by scattering their children all across a State that talks big but is, in reality, a moral and legal ant.
When the children do return, it won’t really be “home” because Texas CPS will have the right to barge in any time during business hours. The Austin Statesman is reporting that all of the children can return home, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Additional insights on the Sunday negotiations that led to today’s order are offered by Brooke Adams.
A house is only a home if you enjoy the protections against search and seizure that all Americans are supposed to enjoy. This distinction is obviously lost on the judge who — for what reason God only knows — continues to preside over the case. Because of their religion and the venomous bigotry of Judge Barbara Walther, these Americans citizens are being denied their basic constitutional rights.
Barbara Walther should be removed from the case and replaced by someone who can judge impartially. If I were representing any of the FLDS in the case, I think my next move — after getting my kids back — would be to challenge this new order at the Court of Appeals. The agreement was reached under duress. It was, in effect, extortion and gives the State prerogatives that it should not have. The one who should be taking classes is Barbara Walther, not the FLDS parents.
I Heard A Rumor...
Has there been confirmation as to whether or not they vaccinated the children?
I keep asking that same question........
....but haven't found out for sure....
Here's an ABC article which talks about they were PLANNING on vaccinating them.................and OHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOO - CHICKENPOX !!!!!!!!!!
Polygamist Sect's Kids Face Health Issues
Lack of Vaccinations, Chickenpox Outbreak Among Medical Hurdles
Good luck reading this article without vomiting.
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida
B*astards pull them out of their homes away from their family
Treated them like criminals and then fed them tons of processed sugar laden crap when they where only use to eating organic healthy food. No wonder so many of them got sick. And now they talk about vaccinating them !!!!!!!!!
Farking b*stards are trying to kill them off !
Sorry but this makes me see red !!!
My guess would be "no"
Because if they had, I suspect CPS would have put out a press release about how they had done it, all for the good of the children, and how they were saving children's lives.
Confirmation of FLDS kids being vaccinated !!!! :(:(:(
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This news article was originally from the Salt Lake Tribune from May 9th.
This is just completely SICKENING, folks:
Texas will immunize FLDS children
Here's also a video news report of the health "issues" of the FLDS: http://www.youtube.com/wa...
In this sickening video, we see the news media reacting in shock that these people don't engage in mainstream medical practices.
IRONICALLY, as they were pointing out how these people are on the verge of destruction because they don't vaccinate and they drink raw milk (gasp - oh the horror), it was showing some of the FLDS members walking outside. Not ONE of them was overweight or looked unhealthy in the slightest.
BIG CLUE !!!!
Maybe these FLDS people are on to something.
Perhaps their methods of health ARE working, you media shills.
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida
Walther signs order to free children....BUT...
the families are essentially under house arrest, the mothers and fathers are forced to take state-approved parenting classes, and they must all remain in Texas indefinitely.
This is an incremental victory. The children are coming home. That is a joyous thing. Every day those children were separated from their parents was another day of irreparable harm against them. Willie Jessop, a YFZ spokeman, and some of the parents also say that the order is not the greatest, but it is important to get the children back home.
Now, it's time to IMPEACH MRS. WALTHER. Of course if she can't be impeached, she should be UNELECTED at the next appropriate time, and the pending voter registration of about 500 FLDS members might just be enough to make sure that happens.
In the meantime, here's a petition to impeach Walther.
http://www.gopetition.com...
Spread it far and wide.
Blessings to all. And thanks to all for your efforts on behalf of these families.
AlaskaRon
akaRon
Start a new forum post with this link for the petition. We want it to go viral!
Any definite word on the vaccinations of these children?
NY has put forth a bill that ALL available vaccinations for children and adults become mandatory. Any other states doing?
Anything for you, brainon4u2! :)
New thread, coming very soon.
Let's Impeach the Wicked Witch of West Texas!
Here's the thread for the mandatory vaccinations in NY
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http://www.dailypaul.com/...
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida
Guilty With No Charges?
I signed without hesitation. The crimes that Judge Walther has committed against these U.S. Citizens and the U.S Constitution are far worse than anything the FLDS people have been accused of. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land, and Walther is obviously violating it with intent; no judge would make it through law school without learning the Constitution would they?
What I don't understand, is how come, after everything and the Supreme Court ruling that CPS must return the children, the state is not even going to transport these children back to where they took them from? The parents have to drive all over the state to pickup their kids?
On top of that, why are the parents being treated like criminals still, under house arrest and requirements to complete arbitrary government classes? CPS still does not have any charges filed against any parents, so why are they being treated like they are guilty?
This thing is not over.
My thing has
always been what is the sexual abuse ratio in a standard town in the U.S. of 400 people, what hasn't that been brought foward. I bet it's a hell of alot higher than the poligamist compound. Did they ever compare that compound to a town? Shouldn't that information be available just looking at that web site that reports the state released sexual abuse perpatraters. Just a question.
They're religious and "weird"
so an easy target as (they think) noone can/will relate/care about to them. This is so bad, one of the worst things to happen in a while. sue sue sue for big bucks.
CALL CALL AND GIVE HERE A PIECE OF YOUR MIND!!!
Share the love with Judge Walther
Home phone: (325) 655-7922
Office phone: (325) 659-6571
(FYI: BOTH ARE PUBLICLY LISTED NUMBERS)
if any one called , please leave a not saying how it went...
even if you just left a messages...
Appreciate this, whether a believer or not!
OPEN LETTER TO KEVIN, DINNIN, BCFS
To: Kevin Dinnin, President Baptist Child and Family Services (BCFS) San Antonio, Texas
cc: Randel Everett, Exec. Dir. Baptist General Convention. BCFS Partners: Dowell Loftis-Shearer Hills Baptist Church; Jerry Daley, Macedonia Baptist Church; Neil Bennett, Churchill Baptist Church; Robert Welch, Park Hills Baptist Church; Charles Price, San Antonio Baptist Association.
Sir:
I understand that you, Mr. Dinnin, and/or related associates, were the incident commander who helped unlawfully seize and hold hundreds of babies, children and women, taken at gunpoint, from the FLDS ranch in Eldorado, Texas. In addition, as governor Rick Perry allowed, most of Texas' fostercare/adoption 'services' are 'outsourced'; meaning, you are under contract with the state of Texas. Your web site reports that you are still holding 75 FLDS children.
Two higher Courts have determined that the State took illegal custody of FLDS children, and the courts order their return.
I am not FLDS, I am not Mormon. Rather, I am a Bible believer of over 35 years.
As the child of holocaust survivors and a citizen of the United States, I insist that you do the righteous and lawful thing.
1. Return the 75 children, taken at gunpoint, that you are now holding at your Luling (or other) facility that you, as ICS commander, helped the State of Texas kidnap in your Gestapo-style raid.
2. Repent for participating in violence and the denial/violation of citizens constitutional rights. These denied rights include major portions of Amendments 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 (attached below). The courts have cited other unlawful violations, as well. Restitution includes paying four times damages to each victim (Luke 19:8, Exodus 22:1).
3. Return the blood-money to the victims and taxpayers that you/your affiliates received for your atrocities.
4. Resign from all positions of leadership in any organization that claims the Bible as authoritative.
5. Your suspense date is 9 Jun 08. Post your public repentance and your restitution plan on your website.
The following scriptures are invoked if you fail to do your Christian duty: Matthew 10:14-15, James 3:1, John 20:23, Matthew 25:45, Matthew 5:19, 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 2:19, Luke 13:25-27, Matthew 23.
Ref:
3rd District Court of Appeals, Austin Tx - numerous constitutional and Family Code Violations--conclusion: no grounds for the State of Texas to take custody of 465 FLDS children. Court orders their return.
http://extras.mnginteract...
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PS: If you write a letter to any below, please draft your own letter. Because, I did sign my name, so duplicates will simply look like we did them.
PUBLIC EMAILS FROM WEB PAGES:
Kevin Dinnin–head culprit… info@bcfs.net or if that is still 'auto-blocked' use: news@bcfs.net
Partners: dloftis@shearerhills.org ; randel.everett@bgct.org ; nbennett@churchillbaptist.org ; welch@parkhillsbc.org ; charlesp@sanantoniobaptist.org; psitton@shearerhills.org ; rteaff@shearerhills.org ; suzii.paynter@bgct.org ; lcf@yahoo.com ; donwilkins@parkhillsbc.org
Good for you, mefleabyte! I
Good for you, mefleabyte! I enjoyed reading your letter :)
We have to let these people know we will not stand for this - next time it could be your children ....
Here's a sickening account of Walther's antics
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The following article commentary is from the Lone Star Times in Texas.
It gives more detail into what happened with Judge Walther yesterday regarding her temper tantrum and subsequent abuse-of-power.
The article coins a new term for this type of abuse. The FLDS got "Walthered".
FLDS Gets Walthered Again
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida
Congradulations to the FDLS for their example of non-violence.
The State is showing it's true colors and purpose, which is to place us under their law. They want to control every aspect of our lives. We have no freedom until we act as freemen, not as violent anarchist, statists, socialist or communists, but as followers of Christ representing true Christianity as Christians.
http://www.kingdomnow.org...
Jesus' words
really do work. The FLDS do a great job putting them into practice, and serve as an awesome reminder to me to work on doing better in my own life.
The FLDS are a great example from which many of us can learn true principles and apply them in our lives, even if you disagree with their overall religion.
Any new updates ?
..it's been 24 minutes
So I'm glad you're back, and thanks for asking!
http://www.gosanangelo.co...
The reporters have been up until the wee hours, it seems.
Judge Barbarian Walther walked off the bench today; 325-659-6571
without signing the order to send the children home.
Time to send her office some more fan mail and some more voice mails. Fill up her inbox this weekend.
Judge Barbara Walther
325-659-6571
How does this beast of a woman sleep at night, I wonder?
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_...
Just curious...
is there an FLDS forum i could go to, to get up-to-the-minute-updates 24 times a day ? because i only see this in the news once a day. there must be more to the story and at length also (7 foot long articles is what i'm looking for).
Not really interested in the Iraqi children body count, mind you. Did the Texas CPS vaccinate the sect children ? Thats horrible.
Yes, there is
And it's run by one of the best Ron Paul supporters and DP contributers ever:
http://www.flds.ws
Check it out! It's among the best.
Also, http://fldsview.blogspot..... This one is written and updated daily by yet another outstanding Ron Paul supporter, DP contributor, and blogger for Ron Paul on other sites as well.
The Ron Paul troops are among the most natural allies the FLDS people have in this matter. It's really a shame you are so dead set against them. I pity you and your small, sad little soul.
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Are we done with this subject now ?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Sucks to be you, eh!?
ok
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oops
i meant...to edit
Argghh
...And now I can't - It's Locked
Brilliant!
LOL @ U!
i know
that kinda screwed the page up.
my bad.
bump
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This was too long to read but from the title I read
Thnk God. Finally
I hope this nightmare is over once and for all
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
Nope, not yet
The judge WALKED OFF THE BENCH TODAY, in defiance of the Supreme Court, after reneging on a DEAL WORKED OUT BETWEEN CPS AND THE MOTHERS' LAWYERS. She walked off the bench without signing an order sending the children home.
Yes, Barbara Hitler Walther went home to her nice cozy million dollar home while she left 400 children illegally confined to various temporary foster homes in complete and utter defiance of the highest court in the Republic of Texas.
This woman needs to be fired YESTERDAY.
250,000 Iraqi Children have been killed
you're biased. where are the Iraqi children threads ?
You don't care about children in general, do you ?
do you?
KILLED
DEAD
Yeah, cuz noooooo one here has EVER spoken against the war!
what's your point, silly boy?
maybe one day you will learn to play with the grown ups. but today is not your day, apparently.
go ask mom for a cookie and settle down.