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Who flagged Treg's thread?

I've thought about it and I can't believe any real Ron Paul supporters would have flagged Treg's thread. I mean the responses on it were incredible.

So that leads me to question who would not want all that amazing knowledge and insight to get out. I'm guessing whoever flagged it thought it may sway other voters to join the R3volution. I'm guessing they are just lurkers here and were threatened by that thread.

I would like to know the names of the flaggers.

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Oh ffs, I would actually PAY

Oh ffs, I would actually PAY to see your rebuttal to mine of yours.
God damnit, is there anyway to bring the thread back?

But seriously, you could have chosen a better fken title.

Gosh...did I miss a good thread?

I do not read any threads on this Daily Paul site that mentions third parties, or any of the Democratic nominees. To me this site is for Ron Paul Support. I read threads regarding the outcomes of conventions, voting results, good articles written by or regarding Ron Paul. If I missed Treg's post it wasn't because I didn't want to, it was probably because it had nothing to do with the movement of this Revolution, the message, and Ron Paul, and if that wasn't the case, will you please give me the overall meaning of the post please.

Thank you.

Tess of the d’Urbervilles…

… a novel by Thomas Hardy, though now considered a great classic of English literature, received mixed reviews when it first appeared, in part because it challenged the mores of Hardy's day. But if you cared to, you could probably find the book in the library because book burning hasn’t really caught on as the best way to deal with challenging literature.

You missed Treg’s thread because some people didn’t take the time to step out of smug complacency to attempt to understand whether it had anything to do with the movement of this revolution, the message, and Ron Paul. This is the overall meaning of this post. If you dismiss this post out of hand because I mention a third party—you’ll miss this meaning. If you and 6 others flag it – every one misses the chance to get this meaning, even those who wanted to find the meaning behind me mentioning Mr. Hardy…., who they didn’t even know was running.

But if you read deeply, you’ll find the message of this post, this thread, and, incidentally, you’ll find the missing Treg thread itself and then you can decide for yourself what all of this means to the movement of this revolution, the message and Ron Paul.

By the way, those who bother to get to the bottom of this post have discovered Thomas Hardy had only a little to do with the point I am trying to communicate to you AND OTHERS. Whether you intend to vote for Mr. Hardy or not, or care to know why someone would mention his name on a freedom forum, some of us appreciate that this thread hasn’t yet been deleted.

By the way, believe it or not, I am not a Hardy shill nor troll. I don’t mind if I’m called a shill or a troll, just please don’t flag me.

One more ‘by the way’, Hardy is not in this race, but challenging the mores of our day is.

I do appreciate that you do not seem to be a flagger since you indicate you merely skip posts which mention certain names. Thank you for not presuming to decide what some of the rest of us might be interested in hearing about and discussing.

Some of us have found the beauty of a free thought is more than skin deep and has meaning that is more than merely tangential to the Movement, the rEVOLution, and Ron Paul.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Treg, Thanks for bothering….

…to bother us with your thought provoking and insightful analysis regarding candidates who are likely receiving party endorsements for the 2008 presidential ballot.

You, sir, understand how to communicate and offer much to advance the rEVOLution. I don’t agree that your reasons support a vote for the likes of Obama by those in this movement, but you are right we should be in dialogue with his minions…. But only after we’ve had more practice by being in dialogue with each other. If politics as usual plays out in the general election, Obama won’t need our numbers to add to his legion of followers. Better we make a philosophically consistent statement so we don’t waste our vote in his amalgam. But the arguments espoused along the lines you proffer are excellent rationale to offer to traditional republican voters as to why they may comfortably sit on the sidelines and hold their noses resisting the anticipated rally cry to circle the wagons lest the most liberal garner a win.

I too had a bit more to say but these comments were obliterated with the draconian slam of the door ACCESS DENIED.

I have been pissed off at Michael’s lackadaisical disregard of the mounting suggestions to disable the flag feature or dump to a recycle spot where we can continue to exchange views on topics or titles that offend shallow thinkers. But, except for the permanent loss of worthy content, this struggle is proving healthy.

How about this for an interim, decentralized, personal responsibility disobedient solution to this flag delete conundrum: Let’s each endeavor to save these threads to repost in the manner of this new thread.

We may have to pause the discussion for a moment while we wait for these Ape men to finish pounding their chests and skulk back to the jungle from which they emerge from time to time. But, eventually I believe we can carry on with civil debate while the childish monkeys content themselves picking nits off each other.

In the meantime, let’s hope the adults of higher human consciousness on this site keep urging participants to realize that a freedom forum for political dialog requires more than thin sound bite polemics and pimple faced cheerleading if it hopes to continue to aspire to promote real change.

Here, for people that like to look at pretty pictures ( “Doesn't matter if you don't understand Finnish, there are very few words anyway...” ISN’T THAT HOW YOU WOULD HAVE IT.)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

LibBerte

Only you could put it forth so well! Hopefully, sanity and reason will prevail!

Priceless comments and the video hilarious!

I have a thought I keep close to my heart every day ..
"Ron Paul will win in the most spectacular way!!!"

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I will not stop until every person that flagged tregs

post are banned from this I have ask for the names to be listed and for them to be removed. I have been in this site since its beginning. If he is willing to give up a long time subscriber for a bunch of fly by night liars then I would rather not be here. I have stated all of this to the owner of this site. If you flagged tregs post I want you gone forever. I don't care how nice you talk I don't care if you donated a million dolars to Ron Paul. It was rude to flag a post while people where in the middle of drafting their replies I to also lost a very long post that I had put alot of thought into. For one to seven idiots (who thinks he has the right to decide what is said on this forum) comes along and flag the post while everyone loses their work is unecceptable. You go around saying people should respect the site owners property right. Well pale I got news for you if you came into my house and stated shouting orders I would kick the shit out of you. and to make other people lose the work they put in there post shows no respect for their property either. Its rude and I'm done with it from now on if somone talks about a topic being not aloud that person will go on my list and I will flag them to oblivion. I have no feelings for control freaks. and if you don't own this site then I don't give shit what you think so keep your fucking mouth shut. I'll post about anything I want. anyone who is demanding about post gets flagged out of existance from now on. someone is leaving this site. I don't care who it is as long as I don't have to be around them any more. And no I'm not leaving unless the owner of this site tells me to leave in that case I will leave but one way our the other we will find out how the owner feels about this and not a bunch of bullies trying to trick people into waisting their vote. If that is what a person decides to do that is fine but to bully and threaten people to make them throw their vote away is the sign of a troll.

Oh My God

Spoiled Rotten Cry Baby!

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

treg... i didn't flag you I

treg... i didn't flag you I love you brother!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

treg you did not hear any of what others wrote did you

It is one thing to have a conversation within a group to make a choice between diffrent ideas its quite another to have one knowing that you have already made up your mind It is clear that you have made up your mind. I however will not use your method for making up my mind. Just because someone is nice to me and sets at a table and eats with me and shares that they also have a little secret would not win me over. I will be deciding what to do with my meetup the ones I have been in battle with for the last year the ones who I trust and know have the same standard as me. The meetup will get together through their organizers and there will be debate. Its happening as I speak. These flaggers and the bullies on this site will only effect the weak minds in this movement. I can assure you the only people who claim they will write Ron Paul in are the very people who will be voting for obama and McCain. If you listen to them you are a fool. At my convention there was nobody talking about writting anyone in they are discussing who to vote for. These are leaders in the movement. These people who say this crap are looking for the weak minded who still must have a tactic so they feel like they can win the game. The only way you win this game is when you recieve full adherance to the law. Sorry but their is nobody going to get you that this year. I think the treat of voting for obama is a good Idea but to actually do it would be like me biting off my own nose to spite my face. In the end touhg each man must do what he feels is right. Only remember the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

We got here

What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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Actually its about standard. Some people here are actually considering a vote for Obama, others think that its totally absurd.

If your actually considering this vote for Obama then you are most likely a part of the problem.

I'd vote for my dead dog before I would vote for Obama.

I degrade myself just for writing in this utterly stupid post that conforms to the weakest if not just complete "turn coats".

You Obama supporters sound like a bunch of "cry babies". But, that would be par for the course if your supporting Obama.

Cry baby cry.

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When things got rough, tough, tough, George Washington's Troops said, "we might as well go and fight with (for) the British, cause, you know we're going to lose.

Is that what they said "turn coats"?

I can't let this go without a reply.

Mageester, I am the person who wrote "this utterly stupid post that conforms to the weakest if not just complete turn coats."

As I wrote in the lost thread I will never vote for Obama. As I have written numerous times over these past few months, I will vote for Ron Paul and only Ron Paul even if I have to write him in. This thread is about the loss of ideas. It was not about Obama.

Thanks though for the Cool Hand Luke video.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Thanks for lending such an heroic Cool Hand

Our NeoWalden response to Walden Two

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

confer Walden Two:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...

I am now flagging the post of people who think they own the

the revolution. Anyone who makes an negative comment about someone elses post being against the rules gets a flag from me if no one else follows suit I will make 6 more acounts and doi it myself. Either they are getting kicked out of here or i am one way or another in the end I won't have to be around them. I have told the owner of the site that I will be doing this so if he does nothing then I will falg till the cows come home.

Dont do it. Let it go kind sir.

You have now become what you have so staunchly opposed. War begets war and hate begets hate. Stop the cycle.

War?

Is this the beginning of a flag war? Just ask yourself one question "What would Ron Paul do?"That should stop the war dead in its tracks.

30 million dollar money bomb...?

(I say to SSGTAF),

Currently we in the Revolution are a boat without a rudder, a ship without a Sail..... Ron Paul is O U T, out. He may speak at the GOP convention or not, what ever, that is NOT the goal for us in the RP Revolution. Our goal is not to buy his book. Our goal...or at least I think it should be about spreading his message, which is OUR message too.

Ron Paul's campaign is effectively....D O N E.

But the Revolution is alive and well, and we can generate Millions of Dollars. Maybe we can do it again. EVERYONE is watching.

Barr knows this, so do the Obama people, so does the MSM.

Now, Do you think a $30 million dollar "Revolution Dollars for the Anti-War Candidate" will mean anything?

Do you think that $30,000,000 money bomb TO GET OUT OF IRAQ will mean anything?

Heres another idea. Lets create yet another Money bomb specifically FOR GET OUT OF IRAQ NOW. Money bombs are restricted to individuals only and up to $100 per person. Send in a $100, get to to Vote. Make a $100 donation, then make a vote of who should get your Out of IRAQ Now dollar.

Who will win the Vote?

Obama, McCain, Barr, Nader, Baldwin?.... Its a WINNER TAKE ALL CONTEST. Who ever gets the most OUT OF IRAQ NOW votes "Wins the Money Bomb".

What do you think would happen? I wonder who increases their Out of Iraq Rhetoric the more the Money Bomb gets Larger?

I think that would make for some real MSM news talk..the kind they like.

" Who will get the $30 million Out Of IRAQ NOW money bomb?"

"Will it be Obama? or will it be this Barr, Nader or Baldwin fellow? Certainly McCain won't get it...."

A gimmick? Yes!

Will it work? I dunno...do you?

Look, we don't have a STRATEGY in the Revolution....Yet we must MUST advance ourselves through to being more numerous and more powerful by 2012.

How do we do this if people keep FLAGGING posts about Strategy?

We have no Strategic GOAL on how to get to 2012. We are Revolution without eyes, why? Because FLAGGERS like you will not allow us the LIBERTY to debate the best Strategy FORWARD for the Ron Paul REVOLUTION.

Flaggers, get a clue, this is about FREEDOM, Liberty, Peace, & Prosperity.

Treg

wasn't

This posted in the Obama thread? It looks vaguely familiar.

Everything is vague for SSGTAF...

Stop getting high and things will clear up for you.

Treg

How

Dare you!

myself and many others here have demanded your IP be banned

If you are not removed I will leave this forum. I am sick of you and know what you are. I will not share space with you any longer. If the owner of this site wishes to have people who have just shown up on this site to destroy the exchange of Ideas on his forum then I will vote with my feet and leave this forum. I have been here a long time but I refuse to be here with you any more. I know who you all are and so does the owner of this site. You go around calling other people trolls anytime anyone even talks about the movement making any plans outside of throughing away there vote. you try to talk people into writting it in even in places where it will be thrown in the trash. What is your reason for not wanting people to vote in any other way than throwing away their vote. What do you have to gain by them throwing away their vote. Why do you feel the need to remove any post that threatens your goal. See this is how I know you are not Ron Paul supporters. They would not try to stop the free exchange of ideas. You guys are shills for some other campaign or you are working for one of the parties. You are not going to effect what the delegates do in this election most are making plans at the conventions where you are not. It is being done by word of mouth so you can't stop large part of the movement. But that is not who you are after is it you are after the weak. You want to keep the ones who are not super active in the movement from having any debate so they will run back to your twisted tactics. You try to stiffle truth. I am asking everyone that is sick of you to flag everything you post. I only need 6 people to shut you up and if that doesn't work I'm making 7 accounts and I will do it myself because I'm sick of you. I am layed of so I have nothing better to do than flag post. You are outed shills.

Who is "you"?

Please edit in the name of who "you" is... who it is you wish banned.

Thanks,
Treg

Um

So if I vote for Ron Paul come November I am against Ron Paul? I am lost. Did I miss something? Please elaborate. My principles obviously mean nothing. I am not free to choose who I want to vote for. Winning first sports bar mentality. Morals, what are morals? Please respond for I am lost.

SSGTAF...

Please read the very post that you first thought should be flagged. That should spell it out for you and answer your questions above... Who should you vote for come November. You will not have Ron Paul as a choice. Read my post, yes your principles count, and I suggested they best count against McCain and for Obama, ...why? Well read the post that you were ready to flag.

Treg

As a choice

I read your post. Your pro-Obama post. I ask you. IF we the revolution vote for Obama. If the public in turn hates Obama at the year 2012. What makes you think that we the supporters and voters of Obama will get any leeway with an angry public? Would they not look to those who can say they voted for Ron Paul for guidance. Those who didn't throw down their principles at the first sight of the enemy. Obama is more of the same. Change? What change. By voting him in to garner more votes for 2012 is your tactic. I say to you it is FATALLY flawed.

Oh, now you are thinking...

If as you say, you read it, you will see the reasoning why we must get ourselves inside the Obama movement, as much as we have infiltrated the Republicans. ( I am a Rep Delegate). You are right, what change? Thats how we take Obama people, as much as we can get, back with us to oppose Obama with the Rank n File Republicans who will by then, with Obama as president, be on HIGH alert for socialist laws.

Once Obama proves he is not Anti-war and breaks his pledge the first year to get us out of Iraq, We break with the Obama people---and take as many as we can with us to oppose Obama.

The point about Obama wining the presidency was about getting rank and file republicans BACK INTO the Revolution. You read that part about the rank n file republicans allowing socialist Bush get things past? Well an Obama, not McCain, Presidency, will alert Republicans and they will be on our side.

Put down that joint and read it again.

Treg

.......Weed?

I am a member of this Nations military, and about to retire. Pot smoker indeed.

Ok soldier,....

You just seemed a bit slow on the uptake, get it?

No offense indended.

Treg

I apologize for Treg, SSgT. Thank you for serving.

___________

Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all."

-Dale Carnegie

I'm ticked

I was composing an awesome response to Treg, and ZAP! I lost it.

Yes, I know, I should have composed it in a word processor and copied and pasted. Yes, I am an IT professional who should know better than to write long passages of text into something as ethereal as a web comment box.

Argh.

At any rate, no way should Treg's thread have been flagged. I think some guy who calls himself "IveSeenTheConst" is behind most of these flaggings lately, and it is tiresome. Some people need to get a life.

i had nothing to do with it

didn't even see it

My apologies

Best,
AlaskaRon

I think

It takes seven flags. Just something I've heard around the site. Whom ever it was (sorry guy it wasn't meant to point fingers) could have seven accounts but that would be highly unlikely. Mod's can track IP's.

I'm glad that everyone seems to agree with me :)

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

green you have crossed the line you will not be here long

I assure you. There is no reason for you to even comment again on this forum you will be flagged every time you open your mouth now. Treg is a long time member and you are a knowbody who has been here since what yesterday. I have set by and watch your freinds assualt bedr1 who is a district leader for the officail campaign You have flagged his post you are disruptive to the forum and the exchange of ideas. You are nothing like us and you and your pales need to leave if not on your own will then by force. You are not wlcome here any more. And I will do everything in my power to see you removed.

Lets have a Flag the FLAGGERS petition to the owner

Add my name to the list, if anyone is keeping one, and Sign me up to those who wish to petition the owner to remove the Flagging feature from this website.

Treg

I flagged Treg's thread. I think.

Did the title say somthing about voting for Obama?

I believe sound bits are extremely important.
So, if I saw a title like "vote for Obama" kept coming back, I probably flagged it and will do so again.

If you think that responses are more important than the sound bite title, then why not chose a more pro Ron Paul title rather than a pro Obama, McCain, Hillary or Barr sound bite title?

This is a Ron Paul forum, so what do you expect?

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

Exactly

This is the Daily PAUL. Not the daily Mamba,Barr,Baldwin,Mac stain, Hillary, or libertarian! Go and post your propaganda somewhere else. Boo hobo my post got flagged your all a bunch of bullies whaaaaa. I'm making a petition Kwanzaa! Get over it. Did you ever think you post got flag because is wasn't even related to the Ron Paul movement? Or that it was purely out of context with what the Daily Paul is for?

I will respectfully ask you,

Please don't remove any comment(s). I would like to form my own opinion after review. What and why are you trying to hide remarks? In my opinion, it tells me that when information is removed, covered up or destroyed, dishonesty is nearby. I just simply ask, "Why do they do, what they do?" You will do what you do and it explains you.... "Onward" >>>>

What you believe too be true, is true too you...

So is this your way of

So is this your way of saying you are one of the flaggers?

That is just it numb nuts...it WAS about the Revolution

"did you ever think your post got flagged because it wasn't even related to the Ron Paul Movement" --- What a completely dumb thing to say, it WAS related to all of us inside the REVOLUTION.

And if we can't have a Discussion on WHO is the person to vote for -- IN ORDER TO ADVANCE the Revolution, then where can we discuss it?

The Revolution MUST have a place where it can discus its best Strategy.

If you and other FLAG posts because they make the argument that helping McCAIN win or Barr Win or in my case, OBAMA win, then you are not helping the Revolution.

Currently, SSGTAF, we in the Revolution are a boat without a rudder. We have no Strategic GOAL on how to get to 2012. We are Revolution without eyes, why? Because FLAGGERS like you will not allow us the LIBERTY to debate the best Strategy FORWARD for the Ron Paul REVOLUTION.

Get a clue, make an arguement, and go Flag Sean Hanity or Bill ORiely or some other NeoCon pundit.... oh thats right you can't. So WHY do it to us here in the REVOLUTION ???

Get a clue, this is about FREEDOM man.

Treg

Treg

I don't doubt that you are sincere in trying to promote the revolution, but what the responses to your original post were trying to teach you is that you are going about it the wrong way. Underhanded, deceitful, hurtful, very possibly dangerously--yet you heard none of it. You learned from none of it. Your agenda is set in stone and you won't change. You would not budge. Perhaps a flagging is all you deserve. Or maybe a flogging.

Also

Question: "And if we can't have a Discussion on WHO is the person to vote for -- IN ORDER TO ADVANCE the Revolution, then where can we discuss it?"
Answer: Vote for Ron Paul. By using the age old mantra of "A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for nothing!" Wont really get you followers from our side of the yard. In fact, it got you flagged. So if you had been near the Revolution. You would not have been surprised at your post being flagged. Not very bright on your part to make a post stating to vote for Obama. I'm sure most people saw this and stepped in just to flag it for the title.

well

While I am flattered that you think I flagged your post. I hold the flag in reserve for much more horrendous things. I posted on the Obama post and walked away. Pressing on with much better posts that warranted my attention. While looking for a more informative post I saw this one. "Who flagged blah blah blah" Who cares. I also find it honorable that your buddies would lash out like that post was made by Ron Paul himself. Or would it have been an even bigger uproar if it was Obama who posted that? Who cares, getting angry on a Ron Paul support blogging site is like winning at the special Olympics. Get over it and get over yourself.

Sarge, I'm disappointed. Who cares? I care.

I had great expectations from you. Your previous posts have delighted me.

At least you are not one of the flaggers. The thing is. I was robbed by these flaggers. That thread which I enjoyed, maybe not you, maybe not others, was taken from me. Sure it has been reposted, but future comments that could have appeared will never see the light of day.

And anger? What anger? "Get over yourself" ......What is that? Is that some sort of superiority complex talking? Tell me it isn't so.

BtW- I still look forward to your future posts.

Let me explain

For I care.What should have happened in stead of flaming up with lets flag the flaggers, and I want heads to roll for this. What should have happened is a repost with a new title. More explanation on what was intended in the previous post and a resumption of the posting. I sensed anger and a lashing out in some posts. So i obliged. Maybe I should have made this a general post than a reply.

You may be right about how

You may be right about how this could have been handled. I or some one else, probably should have requested that Treg edit his thread with a new title. I have actually requested that and the poster did rewrite the title.

I do not see this as an ObamaBarrClintonMcCain spamming dailypaul debate. I saw the wonderful comments that appeared as a result of the topic. I enjoyed them all and even thought they were good enough to sway some voters. But that was just me. I felt robbed by these flaggers. That still remains. And I don't foresee anything changing to alleviate the flagging problem.

But the whole point of my thread has been altered. So I will let this thread die gracefully.

Thanks for responding.

Thank you, Greed. Maybe there aren't any anti-paul lurkers here. I almost didn't read his thread myself because of the title. But I didn't flag it. I may have ignored it.

But since you saw how popular it was, why wouldn't you have read it first? Then you would have seen what good comments were coming from it. I also tire of the Barr type threads that appear here. But this was different. As another poster here once said, this thread had merit.

Please read through the responses that Treg reposted below. It is a little difficult to read in that format but I guarantee that you will like them.

Ok Greedisbad, your response

Shows how lazy is your thinking, you are worried about sound bits on a Ron Paul revolution blog -- get a clue. Only we Ron Paul people are here. Your response shows how little you read of the thread. Like a child with a gun, you shoot at pretty birds in the trees all the while proclaiming you are doing some good of some kind.

Look, I am making the argument FOR voting for Obama, as being GOOD thing for us to do in the REVOLUTION. The title was therefore, right on the money.

Well I have news for you, how you think is not how I think, so what gives you the right?

I seek to take this feature away and off of Daily Paul because Childish people like you think you know best for others, which you don't.

If you are IN the R3VOLUTION, let Liberty of others be the first thing you allow, or your liberty will soon be next.

Treg