Overwhelming Support FOR Driving Checkpoints
Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present: your sheeple.
Here's a brief little local So. Cal. newspaper article about a driving checkpoint that was set up this past weekend. Officers issued 73 citations and impounded 56 vehicles.
Now look at the comments. Every. Single. One. Of. Them. defends and supports and even cheers these unconstitutional searches and seizures.
So I put in my own comment -- its about the 31st one down, and is titled, What's the Constitution Say? All I do is quote the 4th amendment.
Look at the comments directed towards the 4th amendment.
This is what we're up against. Baaaaaaaaa.
Feel free to add your own comments there. :)
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Right at home in D.C.
I'll just bet those Escondido residents would cheer this news report:
Police to seal off D.C. neighborhoods
Quick quote:
...a controversial new program announced today that would create so-called "Neighborhood Safety Zones" which would serve to partially seal off certain parts of the city. D.C. Police would set-up checkpoints in targeted areas, demand to see ID and refuse admittance to people who don't live there, work there or have a “legitimate reason” to be there. Wow. Just, wow.
Excerpt from the mayor's press release (emphasis mine):
Potential Neighborhood Safety Zones must be approved by the Chief of Police, and will be in effect for a maximum of 10 days. Public safety checks will be established along the main thoroughfares of the established neighborhoods. Anyone driving into a designated area may be asked to show valid identification with a home address in that neighborhood, or to provide an explanation for entering the NSZ, such as attending church, a doctor’s appointment or visiting friends or relatives. Pedestrians will not be subject to the public safety checks.
Perhaps residents of Escondido should move to D.C. They'd feel right at home.
I'm going to give this its own thread, too
I hope this lik works = it is to our meetup. I can't get the original site to come up this morning. This will probably come up tiny, but click on it to magnify it. The original site is gunrights.com
THIS is how you defend yourself at or against a checkpoint.
http://photos1.meetupstat...
Link to your thread?
I saw it in the sidebar, and didn't click on it quickly enough -- now I don't see it. Would you repost the link here, please?
The key is the location...
Southern Cali.
They have tremendous illegal immigration problems, and lot's of voilent crime committed by illegals in this area. This is probably why they like the idea of a checkpoint.
If the gov would do the right thing about the illegal immigration problem... stop it... then these people probably wouldn't like the idea of having to go through checkpoints to move around.
I'm not justifying the checkpoints, mind you. I just wish the gov would do something sensible about the immigration problem... without violating MY rights.
Morons
Those people are completely lost.
I really hope there is no such a thing as reincarnation I don't think I could handle another round of this crap.
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I agree but
Maybe if you didn't refer to them in a demeaning manner when quoting your great knowledge OB ONE they might be a little more apt to listen. You are correct about the 4th but please be a little more tactful with people whom have forgotten the Constitution. It's all about schooling the ones that don't see. Yes they can get under my skin too, but we must remember where we came from.
just a friendly reminder
Ron Paul 08!
Driving is considered a privledge
The only way to stop them is to make driving a right, in our state we have ballot petitions so voters can sign a petition that will then go on the ballot to get voted on .
Here is website that shows
Here is website that shows how this guy set these check points straight..watch the video ,the patrol women was lost for words (LOL)
https://www.checkpointusa...
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."
I HAD TO POST THIS FROM THAT AMAZING WEBSITE--THANKS!!
....It should be noted by those who live far from the border that internal suspicion less checkpoints are quickly becoming the norm while our fundamental right to travel unmolested absent reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing is being routinely trampled on. Keep in mind, this checkpoint did not take place on the border. It took place inside the country over 40 miles North of the border along a regularly traveled State highway that never intersects the border at any point.
After being stopped by a Border Patrol agent (who wasn't actually patrolling the border), the agent refused to identify herself or her badge number while at the same time demanding to know my citizenship. Unlike local or State police who have never given me a hard time about identifying themselves, just about every federal agent whose ever approached me in the field has refused to do so. At the last federal checkpoint I was stopped at along this route, I had to read their name tags to find out who they were. This time around, the agents weren't even wearing name tags.
To put it another way, Homeland Security agents are increasingly acting like secret police by hiding their identities from the very public they allegedly serve and protect. This attitude is also pervasive when requesting documentation from DHS. The department routinely redacts the names of its agents making it difficult to find out who they are, let alone hold them accountable for their actions. It's also extremely difficult to get any documentation out of the department in the first place. DHS routinely violates the Freedom of Information Act and the current waiting period for those few who receive responsive replies is several years long.
When I asked the stopping agent whether or not I was being detained, she indicated I wasn't. When I requested to leave however, she told me I couldn't until I answered her questions - quite a contradiction!
Legally, the agent can only hold an individual for a very limited amount of time absent reasonable suspicion. Her citizenship demands are nothing more than an attempt to create reasonable suspicion out of thin air based upon an individual's response along with their general appearance, mannerisms, skin color and other arbitrary profiling indicators used to build cases against individuals for further detention and investigation.
Make no mistake - these federal suspicion less checkpoints are nothing more than dragnet fishing expeditions designed to intimidate and harass the traveling public. They represent a fundamental violation of our right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure and shouldn't be suffered by a free people.
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court created a 4th amendment loophole for immigration checkpoints over thirty years ago in United States vs. Martinez-Fuerte. This court case is now used as a blanket excuse for all manner of Homeland Security abuse and is helping to usher in the burgeoning American police state.
As my interaction with the federal agent continued, she eventually 'requested' that I pull my vehicle off to the side of the road and into a secondary inspection area. All the while claiming I wasn't being detained. I continued to challenge her contradiction however and was eventually given permission to go on my way. How very nice of her!
The checkpoint included high intensity lights with generators for night operation along with two personnel and equipment trailers. At least two additional uniformed Border Patrol agents were present along with one plainclothes individual.
Given the setup, I suspect the roadblock will be in operation for several more days. This means myself, along with countless other travelers, will be subjected to yet another attack on our right to be left alone in the very near future......
Sorry it was to early in the
Sorry it was to early in the morning to type all that.
"Observe the masses,and do the opposite."
Just wait
Eventually these morons who "have nothing to hide", will get caught with something when their vehicle is searched. Something they don't even thing is objectionable, illegal, etc. But sooner or later, more stuff will be considered illegal or suspicious. This will catch up to them eventually. Then they will wake up.
The more police state you beg for, the more you get. That is when all these innocent people who give up their rights, will be affected. They won't like it then. Right now they think they are only begging for the bad people to be targeted. They couldn't be more wrong.
I KNOW IT IS UNLAWFUL TO STOP SOMEONE for no reason
but, could someone let me know exactly what aspect of our constitution states that?? I want to be prepared... so if they ever stop us, we can be emboldened by the truth...
In a few states it is
In a few states it is illegal for police to conduct checkpoints, based on protections within their state constitutions.
I'm not sure if there is anything in the US constitution which offers such protection nationally. Possibly the 4th amendment, although I'm not certain about that.
This may be one of those issues where it is not a power delegated to the US and not forbidden to the states, so the states have the right to decide on this matter. Thus, if they do not decide on the matter then it is by default a right of the people.
anyone??
thanks
Stockholm syndrome loving...
so and so's!
i dugg it
digg it here:
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dugg!!!
YOU REALIZE THAT IF WE DON'T STAND UP TO THE STUPID MASSES THEY WILL STAY STUPID!!!We all must be the Educators of the masses that have no media to guide them correctly
Dugg!
I posted a comment as well! Let's flood the board with pro-constitution comments!
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
Yes, keep the comments coming!!
BUT
Please think before you post, so that we liberty-minded lovers of freedom present ourselves in a manner which RP would be proud of. We don't want to hate on the sheeple; we want to awaken them.
That doesn't mean to be timid in your comments -- go ahead and be bold! -- but present yourself professionally and in an enlightened, educated manner.
Remember, we are trying to win these people over.
Great, MMJ!
If you Digg and comment, don't stop there -- it is particularly useful to comment directly on the newspaper article itself, so those readers will see our words of wisdom.
i did
it's awaiting approval.
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"RON PAUL SUPPORTER SINCE 1997"
RON PAUL 2008 / RE-ELECT 2012
I believe this is part of the problem..
Read it if you will, I believe it is related in general.
http://www.lawfulpath.com...
What you believe too be true, is true too you...
Missing 13th = Article 1 Section 9/10?
Interesting, and I still need to read the whole thing. However, it seems that, although it's not verbatim with the reference you supplied, this same concept is already covered in Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution:
"No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State."
And in Article 1, Section 10:
"No State shall (...) grant any Title of Nobility."
This was first brought up for me when we were examining all the ways InSane is ineligible to be President. Heh; I never cease to be amazed at the education I've received here as a member of the Daily Paul. I never would have known this stuff off the top of my head a year and a half ago!!
"WHY AM I BEING STOPPED OFFICER?"
Always ask... "WHY AM I BEING STOPPED OFFICER?" "AM I BEING DETAINED?" "AM I FREE TO GO?"
DHS Checkpoint January 20 2008
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
WARNING: check your local state laws before you try this at home. this was a illegal internal immigration checkpoint. your results may vary.
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"RON PAUL SUPPORTER SINCE 1997"
RON PAUL 2008 / RE-ELECT 2012
Unbelievable how our Education system has destroyed us.
Of course to fight it will ruin you.
The Supreme Court won't take it.
And these, excuse the French bread connection, BASTARDS, all swore to uphold the Constitution from enemies within.
You are as free as you are wealthy.
We have the best politicians money can buy.
We uphold freedom around the world while we water board people with no lawyer available.
I guess we have achieved the perfect storm.
Thank God there is Ron Paul!!!!!
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Damn, fan Yours' was the
Damn, fan
Yours' was the only sensible comment in the whole thread. Makes me even more convinced we need to simply end all public schooling pronto. Better people being flat out illiterate than drones that keep reciting the ‘driving is not a right…’ gibberish. Of course Commiefornia is not exactly representative of the entire country, but still……
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Let them know there's not just one lone voice of reason out there. These folks are sending the message to law enforcement and other agencies that, not only are they A-OK with this, but they want more of it.
people are stupid.
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nh courts ruled them constitutional...
papers please, may I see your papers?
in the "live free ot die" state... it's just appalling...
They do these on a regular basis
here in Nebraska also. I challenged them once and got away with not providing my info but they where there waiting for me 2 weeks later with the Nebr state patrol regulation they claimed gave them the right to stop me without probable cause and force me to provide my papers.
Is a state patrol regulation
Is a state patrol regulation considered to be law in Nebraska? The state patrol simply cannot just make these regulations up as they go along. They must be based on law and if no law exists then they are unlawful regulations.
Laws are passed by legislatures, not by enforcement agencies.