I am so SICK of people spreading lies about the income tax

Income taxes were ruled unconstitutional in the late 1800s. It's interesting that Income Tax was started the same year as the Federal Reserve. We did not have a federal income tax in America until the year 1913.

I've read that the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified.

Also consider all the ex IRS agents who have been speaking out against the IRS saying that income tax is not constitutional. One ex-IRS agent, after retiring to spend more time with her family, was trying to win a $50,000 prize by pointing out the law which requires Americans to pay tax on their income. After two weeks of scouring the law books she realized that she will never find the law, because it does not exist. She now speaks out against the income tax and the IRS.

One ex IRS agent stopped paying income tax around 10 years ago. A few years back he was taken to court over the issue. The prosecution would not provide the text of the law requiring the income tax to be paid. The judge also refused to provide the law after it was requested by the jury. The jury returned a unanimous verdict of not guilty because neither the prosecution nor the court could or would provide the text of the law.

Consider all the protests outside the IRS buildings in Washington where the people hold signs saying one thing: "Show us the Law!"

The IRS supposedly cannot show anyone the law, because it does not exist. This is my understanding of it.

The income tax is based on self assessment and voluntary compliance. The income tax is a scam in order to get you to file a "first time" tax return.

How the scam works.

You are 18 years old and get your first job. You diligently fill out your employment papers and withholding forms authorizing your employer to withhold some of your pay. To be safe, you claim zero deductions. At the end of the year, you discover that if you file a tax return you will get a a partial refund of what was voluntarily withheld from your paycheck (If you don't file, the IRS keeps it all.) What to do, what to do? Hell! I want some of my money back, so you file your first return… Gotcha!

When one files their very first tax return, the filer has "volunteered" to be responsible for the public debt (forever). The IRS then creates a "Master File" on the filer using their social security or a tax ID number. From then on, the IRS computers keep track of the filer and expect a return EVERY YEAR. When a return is not filed for a given year when "income" was reported on a 1099 from an employer, the IRS computers start kicking out notices, etc.

But, what if one claims "Exempt" from withholding when filling their W-4? Nothing (except SS payments) are withheld. At the end of the year, there is no money to have to file to get back.

Am I crazy? Nah! I personally know dozens of people who have never filed a tax return… ever. The oldest of these is 73 years old. Not one notice, threat, or any action by the IRS. The key is to NEVER file your first return.

The reason why so many tax protesters lose in court is because all the IRS has to do is show the judge your very first return where you signed under penalty of perjury that you were a U.S. taxpayer.

The income tax IS voluntary until you volunteer for the first time… Then it becomes mandatory… for the rest of your life. Once you volunteer, you can never win in any court, because all arguments against the income tax are frivolous. Your word is your bond.

What I have written here is the truth, whether you believe it or not. No flames, please. Do your own research on the voluntary nature of the income tax and contract law. If you do not know your rights… You don't have any.

PS: Remember the rules for collecting the recent "tax rebate" money. It didn't matter whether you ever paid income tax, but in order to collect the handout, you simply had to file a return (that's all) to be eligible . $300.00 is not a bad investment for acquiring a new, lifelong economic slave. Suckers.

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams

Is a automoton. Programmed to think that American's need an income tax. Nobody wants it except the people dividing up the loot in Washington.

The 16th ammendment was passed in the night and under false representations.

This is not a subjective topic. It is an empirical fact that a free person would choose to keep their money instead of giving it away to a gorgon.

Of all the directions you get pulled, I would rely on the substantiated positions of Ron Paul more than almost anyone else. Especially on this near and dear topic.

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I tried explaining this point before. The sixteenth amendment was a direct response to the court ruling cited in FTF. Hence their arugment is a bit spacious.

The reason Ron Paul argues it is unconstitutional is because of the fifth amendment, and the way the IRS operates. It shifts the burden of proof that one is in compliance with the law to the accussed, as oppossed to the state.

The income tax goes against the principles of America. The income tax basically means the government owns your production (communism) and says how much of it you will take home.

Even though it is backed by a constitutional amendment, I'll argue that it still remains unconstitutional.

The reason lies in the fact that we live in a Republic, not a Democracy. The 16th amendment is a direct contradiction of Article 1, Section 9..."no capitation, or other direct tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken."

The power to amend the constitution was a power intended not to change, but to add to it. It's what makes us a Republic, free from the whims of the times.

Ask yourself this...if a amendment was to be passed saying "Congress now has unrestricted ability to make laws which restrict religious expression and freedom of speech." Would that be a constitutional law?

The constitutional amendments do not give the government the power to write laws at will which are in direct contradiction to the intent of the constitution.

I believe that this is not a living document, rather, that it is the very document which gives the government authority over specific aspects of my being. If it is not followed in entirety, it is invalid.

True or not, paying income taxes is slavery.
Individuals working collectively, not a problem.
When the State owns everything or can tax everything including your income, that is a problem, because you are no longer a free person.

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we need proof that it was ratified....and it just isnt being shown to us at the moment.

Even advocates of rescinding the income tax are tired of false assertions.

But whether the income tax is "constitutional" or not, it is certainly, as implemented, a vehicle for violating the spirit of representative government; and I say so on at least 2 counts.

1. We are needlessly forced to pay interest on debts we in fact have certified;

2. Monies taken under the guise of taxation for a stipulated purpose are robbed for other purposes.

These activities do not just violate implied agreements and responsibilities to the people; the violations ultimately (and have already) accumulate even terminal sums just of public debt. After all, the so called Federal Reserve System further imposes upon us a system which can only multiply private debt to collapse.

So all these things are signs of a renegade, if not wholly unlawful government, bent on denying its people representation.

There is one solution to all these things; and that is mathematically perfected economy. In our Parable of Perfect Economy, Benjamin Franklin tells a story of funding government without even the need for taxation. While the proposition is practical, what we need on the contrary to do (if we are to solve the imperfections of monetary and taxation systems), is for those who use the bridge to pay for the bridge as they consume of it -- which costs of course, are minimalized to the extreme by mathematically perfected economy. The bridge for instance might be paid directly and with complete elimination of personal taxpayer overhead (as imposed by "income" tax implementations) by a fuel tax, which of course would distribute costs according to use of the asset which we have decided to create jointly through representative government. Here's the story, if you'd like to give Parable of Perfect Economy a read:

http://perfecteconomy.com...

But in any case, if you want to eliminate the income tax and all other destructive consequences of the unjust taxation and monetary systems, you best give mathematically perfected economy immediate scope.

Regards,

mike montagne -- founder of PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy, and author of mathematically perfected economy (1979)

http://www.perfecteconomy...

One thing I’ve never seen or heard anyone bring up in this RP Revolution is that since income is legally defined as profit or gain, salary & wages (even exchanges of pay for service with no gain produced) are not even income.

--Cliff, Sioux City, Iowa

"One thing is clear: The founding Fathers never intended a nation where citizens pay nearly half of everything they earn to government." --Congressman Ron Paul, July 17 2001

You might also be interested in this:

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if when you went down to a Social Security card and when they hand it to you you said, "excuse me there seems to be an error on this card. This is not me. I have never used all caps for my name could you please get me one that does not use all caps. When they say we cannot do that this is how all ovf them are done. You then ask who a person is suppose to talk to about an error in the data on the Card. Keep demanding to have the write information on the card. I wonder what they would do if you fought that in court?

for all of your input. I have learned a lot already. I just get really frustrated.

Under the income tax you do not have a right, under the law, to claim even one penny of your earnings as yours and yours alone.
The government now claims the right to tax from the first penny to the last, at any rate it deems necessary, up to, and theoretically exceeding, 100%.
Does this seem like a type of taxation contemplated by those adopting the Constitution?

http://www.GiveMeLiberty....

Get informed. Read and sign the petitions.

So you were converted that it is unconstitutional and you read one article on the internet you have not corroborated and are now convinced it is constitutional... I call BS!

But just in case like others have said you need to study the issue. What is unconstitutional is a direct income tax on individuals. Trading labor for compensation is not defined as income that is where the fraud comes in.

The 16th amendment was ruled to impose no new taxes by the US Supreme Court. So please explain if it imposes no new taxes how it makes individual taxes on compensation for labor constitutional?

Do your research or you will prove yourself ignorant at best, a troll at worst.

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but maybe you are a troll. I hope you're not tho : )

Please read the stuff on those other links people gave. If you want to know the truth, it can be known.

The larger issue, however, is we don't need an Income Tax and the Founders were against direct taxation

And the President (in the event Ron Paul or someone like him) should be able to mostly eliminate and nullify the IRS, possibility even without the approval of Congress. The Internal Revenue Service is an Executive Branch agency under the President's oversight.

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Which is great until i remember that none of it is legal tender(Article 1 section 10 is clear as day) and hey i know the 5th amendmant isnt just a figment of my imagination(simply filing with the IRS is a direct violation of your right not to incriminate yourself).Ahh there we go, back to it all being a complete scam and totally criminal.Debate the income tax all day, without real money(no inflation) whats the point?
do not fear death, I fear life without liberty.

Hah! Check these out:
www.thelawthatneverwas.co...
Bill Benson - has proof that the 16th amendment was NOT properly ratified in the form of certified copies from the capitol archives of all 48 states which were in the union at the time.

www.freedomabovefortune.c...
Joe Banister - former gun-toting IRS investigator who researched for two years and confronted his superiors with the truth. They refused to answer his questions and forced his resignation.

www.losthorizons.com
Pete Hendrickson - legal researcher who proves that the Income tax is constitutional because it applies ONLY to federal workers for the privilege of serving "We, the People". His website is the only one I've seen that shows the IRS correspondence in agreement AND photos of the checks that have been issued for 100% of all taxes paid totaling nearly $3,000,000.00 since 2003 to people who have learned the truth and demanded the IRS follow the laws.

Check this out...

http://teamlaw.org/Mythol...

To discredit any movie that is against the NWO. And looks like the site only covers mainly Zeitgeist.

http://webskeptic.wikidot...

Funny if you look at the list of movies you come to a consensus.

You were on earth to begin with. Bring your friend back to earth.

This does not debunk the legality issue at all.
Any site that states "The Fed" is not private is questionable. There is no audit of the fed we do not know how much they make, or who gets what.

Second the grace commission at Reagans request reviewed taxes and where our income tax went.
here is the link - http://www.uhuh.com/taxst...
It clearly states not on nickel of personal income taxe pays for goverment.

Just these two false hoods should make this Skeptic out to be dis info crap it is...

For tax clarilty go to the we the people foundation.

This foundation petioned the IRS to show the law - they didnt.
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Zeitgeist:

“I really expected that, of course there is a law that you can point to in the law book, a code that requires you to file a tax return. Of course there is! I was at that point where I couldn't find a statute that clearly made me personally liable, at least not me and the most people I know and I had no choice in my mind except to resign.” –Joe Turner, Former IRS Agent

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You have to ask why couldn't they validate "Joe Turner"

And who holds the Majority of the bonds in those banks which is well over 80%.

See what that website says about 9/11.