IF IT IS EVER TO SUCCEED! - THE REVOLUTION MUST HAVE A MASTER PLAN!

to take orders from.

Because of our like mindedness, our movement will be slow at first.

As we become inspired, the pace will quicken.

Do not choose the time.

Be patient.

It will choose you.

Freedom is the message, not power.

We all have our roles.

The presidential race is like the superbowl of politics. In the sense that people watch the superbowl who didn't watch a single game all year. It's the same with the presidential race. People who don't pay attention to politics for almost 4 years start paying attention the last two months of the election for the Presidency. Our main goal has always been to spread the freedom message to as large of an audience as we can, and THIS election is our best and maybe only shot at that. We must recognize the URGENCY of this moment in time!

Ventura/Paul 2008

STEP 1 - RUN FOR OFFICE
STEP 2 - GET ELECTED
STEP 3 - HONOR YOUR OATH & DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION

PROBLEM SOLVED!

Look at that! 3 steps to regaining control of our government. How easy could it be?

RP keeps running til RNC. Ventura starts now as Independent then merge after RNC.

a masterplan.

We must have a plan. A comprehensive Plan.

Sure, we are busy infiltrating the GOP and becoming Republican PC's, but that is not an overall Comprehensive Plan. It is one part of our strategy. There are many strategies. If it was THE plan than it is surely one sided. If we have learned anything from our enemies the War Party is that they have successfully implanted themselves inside Both Parties.

We must now infiltrate the DNC as well. If we could stomach the NeoCons then we surely can stomach the Welfarists inside the DNC.

I believe the R3VOLution should and could be more than a minority political movement for power inside the Republican Party.

I think we should think larger than that. I do not want our movement "captured" by the Republican Party. I think that we could be like the Environmental Movement, in that we work both parties to gain legal success while at the same time remain fully educational and outside the party apparatus. Further, we must stay scientific, factually based. If we allow ourselves to go off in unproven conspiratorial directions, then we will loose all creditability. Of course to prove any conspiratorial contention requires work, real scientific work, and we should go there. That means when we do not know, or know for sure, WE SHOULD NOT SPECULATE. That takes strength of character especially when you can see clearly where the arrow of what we do know is pointing.

Making the Revolution stronger should be our main goal. Finding effective strategies for advancing our goals, being PC's and so forth are expressions of our over all Revolution in redefining our relationship with Government. As Ron Paul said, we must redefine what the role of Government should be and can be. Most of all we should explain as best we can, how it is that a society with a small -Police, military, & Courts -- focused government, is a better more efficient government. We can get rid of the income tax, stop policing the world, and defend this country at 1/3 the cost we do so today.

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

Excuse me I don’t mean to be rude here but where the hell have you been? We do have a master plan, are you a PCP and or a delegate? If not then you’re not even in the game!

Someone said we can’t rebuild a house on a weak foundation, well on behalf of all the patriots who have been working their asses off to fight this fight while many are still complaining and over analyzing what it is we should do… We are rebuilding the house from the foundation up! The Precinct Committeemen are the foundation of the GOP. In case you haven’t noticed the house is already torn down and in a heap and we are rebuilding it from the ground up. You have to own the land first!

People all across the country have run and won Committeeman Seats and are delegates to their state and even the national convention. We may not win this battle but we will win eventually and that is why those PCP seats are so important to win.

We also are also fielding candidates for our state houses and for congress. Getting control of our central committees will help us with this because then they will have local GOP backing and more likely to win.

We also need to work in our communities and state to be self reliant and not so dependant on the federal government or so called global economy. However we need to be driving the political bus instead of just being along for the ride to make this happen completely.

Education is the other part of the triad that we need to be focusing on.

To those whining about a 3rd party or a new party if you had become a Committeeman we would be that much farther along in rebuilding the GOP. Ron Paul will not run 3rd party because he can do math. The numbers are simply not there even if we united all the 3rd parties and add the Independent RP supporters. We need the mindless voters of the GOP who will go along with the party no matter what it is to have the numbers to effect change.

I am sorry if this rubs anyone the wrong way however I have seen the sacrifice many are making and I don’t care anymore. Either get in the game or get the hell out of the way! I am tired of the bellyaching the over analyzing and the people still stuck in the past, go wave a sign if it makes you feel better. The real patriots are stepping up as they always have in our history. Unfortunately it has always been few and far in between that will do the heavy lifting.

This is it either we win this fight (over the long haul) or it goes to the bullet box eventually. And for some who welcome that you most likely have never been in combat or seen a war torn country. Talk to a combat vet and find out why we want to avoid that if at all possible!

To all those patriots who have been working their asses off across this country in your state and local committees THANK YOU! Just remember only 3 percent actually fought our founding revolution, so stay the course. We can win this thing!

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This is why I am suggesting the RPR concentrate some energy here - I do not see another serious path to getting someone non-corrupt to be POTUS other than through this way. Third parties will not have a chance without a) massive voter dissatisfaction (no problem here) and b) name recognition (+money) and serious experience.

This is possible, it just has to be the right person. There MUST be 3 or 4 people just right for this out of 320 million - at least 3 or 4 - so I am saying we need to start finding them etc.

First, please let me say that I have nothing against people who want to do 3rd Party stuff, so please don't take me the wrong way.
I will state my case below.

Ok, our position is such that we are in an overall minority, in a political sense, and we wish to gain a position to restore proper roles of gov't in the nation.
Kudos!

Now, let's look at the various possibilities below.

First, I'll address the seemingly frantic "need" for a 3rd Party run of whatever sort.
My opinion is that there is no chance that any 3rd Party run of any sort can win this election in 2008. So, in my view, that is "wasted effort", in a sense, but at this late juncture of the 2008 election with so little time left, I can get on board with a reasonable and well-planned attack for that. AFTER RP is out of the running(if that happens).. Even though I do think it will fail anyway..

Second, Ron Paul, while still technically in the race, and still enjoying our support, is unlikely(but still remotely possible) to gain the GOP nomination in 2008, and will likely not be on the ticket. We had a great effort, and we should not give up, but we should understand that not all great efforts succeed at the first try.

Third, the truth is that even if any of our wild stabs did succeed in putting somebody into the White House in 2008, the groundwork is not prepared or in place to support their efforts, and the entrenched parties in Congress would stymie virtually all of our efforts. And impeach if necessary to protect themselves and their agenda. This is fact.

Fourth is the path that I suggest.
Pick a party. I suggest the GOP which will be hurting and fractured, and in fact already is. It is ripe for us to move in. However, if anyone sees some inroads to be made from a similar effort in the Democrat Party, I have no problem with that effort either. In fact, both parties should be infiltrated by us as deeply as possible, in order to advance the likelihood of our cause having traction, no matter which major side gets into power. That's what the NWO did.
The reasons that I select the major parties for takeover are that they are already in position to go to the top, with structures in place which are centralized, allowing a relatively small number of people in key positions to effect major changes in the party platform and behavior.
And they have the blind following of large segments of the population which will blindly vote for either of these parties, and will never be politically educated enough to be moved into voting 3rd Party. These large segments of voters need to be captured in order to win. And these large segments will not be reached by "political education campaigns" because they simply aren't interested enough to learn anything and just vote blind party tickets out of habit. But, they can be "swung" into our camp even unknowingly, if our camp controls the party and the platform that they blindly vote for.

We have a reasonably large group of very active and motivated people who know alot and can move things well. We can overcome the internal central committees of these centralized structures of the major parties easier than trying to educate every person in America on political matters. The "ladder" to the top is there, with all the rungs in place in a pre-existing centralized command structure which we can take hold of with a herculean effort. Yes, it will take a herculean effort, but it is still attainable, whereas trying to individually reach and educate the entire population is beyond our means to accomplish.

Now, to address the issue of "not enough time".
This is a valid concern. However, we can "buy time" by getting into the structure and fouling up their works, even with a small amount of infiltration, and the more people we get into place, the slower the opposing gears will turn. This makes more time for us. Yes, I understand it's not immediate gratification. I'd prefer it to be tomorrow too. But, also understand that taking time to make wild stabs at "winning something" ,and then losing and having to start over again also takes time.
This is a matter of using strategies which have higher percentages of success rate, and also strategies which provide some leverage for us at each stage, so as to give us something along the way, instead of nothing but disappointing losses which will come with wild stabs at trying to shoe-horn in a President every 4 years and losing.
This is a groundwork preparation scheme. It not only gets us into the mix at some levels right away, but it also makes higher chances of our platform planks to get put into place earlier, reaches more people successfully via leverage of the party structure, and creates a condition where our candidate has support under his feet in Congress and State and Local positions, which will strengthen his ability to get things enacted and done if/when we do get a President into office.

Personally, I think this is the "easiest"(sic) and most effective way into the "driver's seat". Notice that I didn't say it was "easy". It is just "easier" than other methods, and has a higher chance of success, with intermediate attainable goals along the way where we can gauge our success and ability to move further forward.
It is a real plan.

Others may differ with me, and I'm fine with that, and I'll listen to all other possibilities.
However, I think that anyone who sits down and makes a thorough and honest assessment of potential of real progress for us, this will be the form of plan that will come out on top.

This is my suggestion to the group.

There is no such thing as a wasted vote.

The biggest need here, the way I see it, is to get the average Ron Paul supporter to redefine his/her role in the Revolution---changing from that of a passenger to that of a driver. And the more that is accomplished, the better the PEOPLE can determine which direction is the most fruitful. Otherwise, it is simply ineffective to adopt a strategy in which everyone is supposed to merely follow the leader----unless, of course, the leader in question has the backing of the mainstream media, big business, and the rest of the reigning establishment.

We are being given a chance to help steer the revolution in the excellent survey a www.maketheargument.org. Please do take it, if you haven't already. They're analyzing the results and formulating just such a master strategy as you are suggesting.

I know that what I'm calling for here is a fairly major paradigm shift for the people to make (from passenger to driver), but one doesn't have to think about it for long to realize that our errant government is not the ONLY problem our country has.....for it is we, the people, who have allowed it to err. And that has come primarily from our "passenger" mentality, as we go along for the ride and complain about where we're going!

But the great new is that, of all the things we CAN change, our OWN paradigms are right at the top of the list. Imagine if every Ron Paul supporter were pulling in the same direction right now! How powerful would that be?

And so the goal is to devise a strategy that all of the "revolutionaries" can adopt without reservation---one that unifies, rather than divides---one that puts forth a true win/win set of solutions, and that is potent enough to get the job done in the next few years.

www.maketheargument.org

stalin would have put him against a wall and killed him and his family and not even blinked. Don't get confused We are not dealing with a little issue here we are not fighting for someones right to be a color or for the people to have better jobs we are fighting for the whole ball of wax or freedom. without this there is nothing left. NOTHING! you better open your eyes and realise where this counrty is.

If you find a house that is run down and you want to rebuild it and the foundation is weak. you don't tare it down and build on a weak foundation. You must bring it all the way down to solid earth and rebuild or you just end up with a nice house on a weak foundation. Its just as crappy as the first one you would be better to have just left it alone in the first place. Don't try rebuilding it let is crash then rebuild. This party must have a death blow delivered to it and abtaining or NOTA or write in will not do it it must suffer a defeat by an inferior party. It losess all credability at that point. I've been think about this for two weeks day and night. We must help the LP deliver this blow. There are no good options any way why not make the wrecking ball a little bigger and make sure the job is done right. Don't worry about the Democrats winning without Ron Paul they win anyways. We must not go from building a movement to demoing a party. Leave the standing on principle for the people that win elections this year. We are not running we are the force that has to deliver the blow. They must realise that without us there is no more offices for them. the LP will get them. I don't even like the LP but I know what has to be done here. Its simple we wreck it. We take it down to bare earth. Then we rebuild it. Save the principles for when you win office. I'm not in office I'm one of the "WE THE PEOPLE" I'm free to do what I want. I choose to fight back and take away from them what they love most. THEIR POWER!

Many states will not accept Paul as a write-in after losing a primary. For this reason alone I believe RP will not sign the paperwork to be a write-in candidate and your write-in of Dr.Paul will be worthless.

http://mfoster.com/misc/w...
Every state follows a few basic rules.
Rule 1 - Write-in votes will not be counted if the candidate does not file as a write-in candidate.

Rule 2 - Write-in candidates are not allowed in presidential elections.

Rule 3 - A candidate losing the primary cannot file as a write-in candidate in the general election.

Check your state to see what rule your state goes by.

Jessie Ventura has no hang-ups with Rule3. So theoreticlly we only need ballot access to the states that follow Rule2 and write-in the rest of the states.

Paul or NOTA2008 - Ventura/Paul or NOTA2008

"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
http://www.bmvgroupinc.co... Never tie your shoes again. Ever!

We need to hear from Dr. Paul. Apparently we will in the early part of this week. Then, I think we will be able to come up with this plan we so desperately need.

But, ya know what, this thread makes me feel really good. This thread makes me feel like there are many intelligent minds with the same intention, which is the same as my intention, and that is a wonderful feeling.

Perhaps given another week, we will have our direction.

I do believe you are correct. My idea is billboards across the US being splattered with freedom messages. The reason I think billboards would be a good way to go for the Revolution to spread its freedom message is because people will drive by them every day on their way into work and have to ponder the message each time. They are a VERY cost efficient method to target a LARGE audience and are available to us across the entire US. TV commercials are very expensive and typically can only be afforded as one time events. With Billboards they can go up for months on end. We could target the largest cities first on major freeways.

What is worse to society as a whole?
Terrorists, the Mafia, Corrupted Politicians and Police
OR
A non violent drug offender?
END THE DRUG WAR

End the Drug War and put a stop to the REAL THREATS TO OUR SOCIETY!! Terrorists, Organized Crime, Corrupted Politicians/Law Enforcement

Why aren't we putting alcoholics in prison? End the Drug War

Don't let Rapists, Murders and Pedophiles out for *Good Behavior* because our prisons are over flowing with non-violent drug offenders!
End the Drug War!

The Drug War. Mission Failed.

The Drug War targets minorities. Their illegality was based off racism as well.
Then provide a link on the billboard to a site hosting the history of how each drug became illegal.

another one could be:
The reason your dollars dont buy as much as they used to is because the Federal Reserve is creating too many of them.

The Federal Reserve is destroying your savings through the hidden "Inflation Tax".

another:
52% of the US population does NOT believe the official 9/11 story. Demand a new investigation!

Jerry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC, took out a huge insurance policy on the buildings shortly before they came down. DEMAND A NEW INVESTIGATION!

Want to see who else doesn't believe the official 9/11 story?
www.PatriotsQuestion911.c...

Don't expect the corporate controlled Media to tell you about these highly credentialed people and their unanswered questions:
www.PatriotsQuestion911.c...

When the Media promotes Big Pharma or Military/Industrial Complex candidates they get huge sums of advertising dollars.

The Military/Industrial Complex controls our media.

another:
The war in Iraq is to protect Dollar Hegemony!
with a link to a page hosting these two documents:
http://www.energybulletin...

http://www.house.gov/paul...

Our currency is backed by petroleum sales. Iran is selling in Euros and that's why we will attack them.

These are just a few billboard messages that come to mind. I think if we create a centralized ChipIn for each state we could plaster these messages nation wide.

We Need More Forwards

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Lets Get Serious And Press Play

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

( Our Masters Will Be Digital )

I couldn’t resist commending to you some of the strategies of the Master of the Transcendental Movement, author of the classic from our own American heritage, “Self-Reliance.” Here is some of the advise the original Ralph Waldo Emerson might offer to your call for top down direction from Master Planners:

"Self-trust is the first secret to success."

"Ideas must work through the brains and the arms of good and brave men, or they are no better than dreams."

"Without ambition one starts nothing. Without work one finishes nothing. The prize will not be sent to you. You have to win it. The man who knows how will always have a job. The man who also knows why will always be his boss. As to methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble."

"Once you make a decision, the universe conspires to make it happen."

"Great hearts steadily send forth the secret forces that incessantly draw great events."

"If the single man plant himself indomitably on his instincts, and there abide, the huge world will come round to him."

"Every reform was once a private opinion, and when it shall be a private opinion again, it will solve the problem of the age."

"The key to every man is his thought. Sturdy and defying though he look, he has a helm which he obeys, which is the idea after which all his facts are classified. He can only be reformed by showing him a new idea which commands his own."

"Men talk as if victory were something fortunate. Work is victory."

___________

Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all."

-Dale Carnegie

From Sherman's march into Georgia to Eisenhower's invasion of Normandy, throughout history Strategic and Detailed Planning has been the key to succeeding in all major battles - both military and political!

Without it you are only left with Luck!

Naton

Reason, This revolution attracted me because it believes in freedom and that means to me, individual freedom to take any lawful action to accomplish our purpose and not be restricted by rules but rather suggestions with which we can agree or disagree.

I am of the opinion that your judgment is as good as mine and because of that I will listen to you and agree or disagree. I believe in a universal mind that will lead us to consensus if we allow freedom of the individual to reach his own conclusions.

So it makes sense to keep doing what has been working. For me, I must keep my mind on the successes and there have been many.

This is only the second time I have posted on this forum but I feel now, the times, they are a changin.

The global elite have a master plan. I know from studying physiology that man is not smart enough to create a good master plan. Maybe we don't need a master plan, but instead we each need to follow our conscience despite our fears. I hope individuals doing that will result in Gods master plan being fulfilled. I think we are each a piece of the puzzle unable to see the whole puzzle. The arrogance of the elite is that they think they see the whole puzzle. They don't, and they will fail. We will win. We cannot change the course of history, but we can decide what part we will play.

I thought the plan was to take every elected, appointed or govt job we could get. We can't change from the top down, we need to start from the bottom and work up. If we can get any top spots like congressman or senator great but we need local people everywhere doing the same thing, just obey the law. A clerk in a govt position willing to blow the whistle is just as good as a legislator. Get local but think global! The plan I thought we are working on is get active and spread the message.

If you are talking about specific states and the strategies there, then no I have not yet seen any yet. We should think about getting the meetup groups more active getting agendas together then.

http://video.google.com/v...

By the top do you mean Dr. Paul? I do not think he's up for it. I was often a bit frustrated by the lack of planning and leadership of the RP campaign, though as I write that I think how phenomenally well we did with his 'plan' to turn the campaign over to his supporters. Who will it be?