Happen to have a Ron Paul 1000 dollar gold piece right here in my pocket #194. Bought it way back for around $600, so I am not religiously against buying it, but I was sure to have seven years store of food and water first. One year is still better than nothing, but I like to be well prepared.
grant
Raoul S. Duke,
Your correct, but which side of the equation do you want to be on, the one with gold buying grain or the one selling grain? Who will have control? I am sure the government probably has some stockpiles of grain set aside they don't tell us about, which will probably not be available for everyone in case of emergency even if you have gold, or if you are able to buy from them, but that will make you dependent on them. I would like to hold on to my independence, if everyone on earth at the time of Joseph would have stored seven years of food, they wouldn't have had to give their gold or silver to Egypt to buy it. If a person has the ability to produce their own food now or store it now, why would you want to pay later, at a price that I am sure they will stipulate. And it could cost you a lot of gold if there is a limited supply of food.
grant
John2K,
You are assuming that the price will go down because we won't have money to pay for it. But this isn't the problem. The price is going up also because the Chinese government is buying petroleum with FRNs from the Middle East, and then the Middle Eastern countries purchase Chinese products with FRNs, there is no shortage of dollars in China or the Middle East, they are trading well with FRNs, the problem is that these dollars are not coming back to the States to circulate and allow us to pay our bills.
We are out of the loop.
grant
Did you all know that you can live off one fresh egg everyday and water if you had to???
A FRESH egg gives you enough of the basics to get you by if you HAD to....(well until you needed vitamin C anyway)
And did you know that even in the city or suburbs most places will allow you to keep chickens as pets (not considering them livestock if you don't intend to eat them) so you could get some chickens and enjoy their eggs....(without a rooster they will usually lay one egg a day up to five years)
Chickens also don't need any special food (although like most things..the better the stuff that goes in the better the stuff that comes out)
Chickens will eat all of your food scraps, are regularly given their own eggshells for calcium, can drink rain water, and can survive all climates in the USA. They are also good for eating grass and controlling insect population and provide wonderful organic fertilizer for your garden. Just some food for thought =)
I apologize if I come off harsh towards gold and silver, we are on the same side, and as long as we keep looking towards our goal, these little differences won't matter much.
I do overreact at times, but it is out of concern for people that I care about and know will suffer the most.
I am always careful not to quote the bible, since many times it leads to even more arguements. But I am sure you are familiar with the story of Joseph in Genesis. There were good crops for 7 years and Joseph had the people to store the grain. Then it quit raining and no crops would grow. The famine was over all the earth, and Egypt was the only country with food.
Now I am not a doomsday prophet, but I believe that it is practical advice considering our current world situation. We have Israel willing now to lead the fight against Iran. We have over a 100,000 soldiers in the Middle East fighting a war, and we have a government that has and continues to keep us as slaves. I don't see any Joseph leading the government to store grain for 7 years, don't imagine our supply would go beyond 6 months in a crisis.
grant
Grant,
I have no p[roblem with you reccommending food.. ALL families should have atleast 1 years worth of strorage food! mountisn house will last as long as 50 years.. after food and water, then hygeine items, tools, GARDEN SEEDS, NONHYBRID- and then you will need some silver/gold. yep were on the same side, no argument there. but real money will be just as important as food, water etc.. there will always need to be commerce between people in a localized area.. what if you want to buy a large ticket item like 50 acres of land? how will you trade enough food or other things to buy it?
I just wanted to add that in Genesis when Joseph conviced Egypt to store grain before the famine, this allowed his family to survive when his brothers came to buy food. His brothers used money (ie. gold/silver) to buy grain from Egypt. This story shows why it is wise to store both food and other real commodities/wealth for lean times.
I live in a small aparment and cannot store large amounts of food.
That is why I store gold/silver to prepare for the worst.
We should also be prepared to grow our own food when there is none to buy.
SIERRAHPBT,
We are obviously talking to two different audiences. I grew up close to the Detroit area amoung people who make minimum wage and go paycheck to paycheck. I under no circumstance would tell them to buy gold, because they probably wouldn't even know if it was real. They need to stock up on food first and understand that gold and silver isn't going to help them. So don't misunderstand my enthusiasm for food when I put it at the top of the list with, tools, water ect, ect, ect, and at the bottom of my list to buy some silver and last of all gold.
Of course if Ron Paul wins, we won't need to buy gold, because he says he will offer an alternative to the FRN and coin money in gold and silver for people to use. I suggest he make payment to Social Security Retired people first, and let it flow into the system. So excuse me if I throw a little water on your desire to start a gold fever, but history shows us that poor people are naive and need people to keep them them on the right track.
grant
I see where your coming from! but do you know that a few pre 1964 silver dims would be good to have! you can buy them 1 at a time if need be. Your right food/water should be the first priority.. but for those people living paycheck to paycheck this is the one way for them to get ahead! 200 face value of silver dimes occumulated over time will be worth a small fortune if people would just start slowly and buy! it will get them ahead.. how many packs of cigarettes or 6 packs of beer can these people give up to invest in there future! and I'm not trying to start gold fever, I personally have very little gold.. silver is where I go.. and the reason they stay poor is because of there naivity. they pooh pooh every thing that comes along and won't look at something that could get them well off! for a small investment. if Ron Paul becomes president I will then look differently at gold but not silver.. silver is in shortage and that metal is consumed! it is used to make almost everything we need to live. again for the millionth time-- go read ted butler-
investmentrarities.com download the free 61 page book.
This is related to a comment I made today in the $70 oil thread here at DP.
World demand is supposedly a few million barrels greater than world supply. That results in several million barrels daily adding to the supply deficit and chipping away at reserves.
If price increases enough, we will see demand decrease to the amount that is available to be supplied.
If prices do not increase enough to cause a decrease in demand, then the only other alternative (other than oil producers figuring out how to increase production) are shortages...
IMO, we all should hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
Went to Taco Hell on the way home the other night, it was about 12:00 pm, and guess what..they were out of rice and meat on EVERYTHING. The only thing they had was bean burittos and pintos and cheese. This was Taco Bell. Thought that to be odd. Then went to both of my towns wholesale bread stores and they were both out of hotdog buns ( early in the morning I went ) one told me they were not getting as many in, as they used too. I was driving thru town yesterday ( sunday ) and drove past a tireshop and repair ( fairly popular one ) and they had a big sign out, OPEN ON SUNDAY. This is a first. I have lived here for most of my life, and I have never seen so many yardsales and gardens. People are waking up to reality now.
A friend of mine has an auto repair shop and has been incredibly busy probably since just prior to the fall of 2007.
He said that with the economy not doing so well and many people being concerned it results in people fixing their old cars rather than buying new ones - which actually is great news for him, but not so good for the rest of us.
its:
1. good for the environment
2. good for the customers' wallets
3. good for the banking system (a smaller consumer credit bubble)
"Bad" for US auto makers?
The most important thing to do right now is stock up on food, it is your primary concern. If the sun is blocked out for a year or two, nothing will grow, if you and all your neighbors have bought gold and silver, who will you trade with for food? During the gold rush in California, the man who took food and supplies to sell got more than enough gold and silver.
Remember to rotate your stock.
Here is a good site to give you an idea of how to and how long items will last if stored properly
http://waltonfeed.com/gra...
And I will try to be more careful not to appear Anti-gold.
Happen to have a Ron Paul 1000 dollar gold piece right here in my pocket #194. Bought it way back for around $600, so I am not religiously against buying it, but I was sure to have seven years store of food and water first. One year is still better than nothing, but I like to be well prepared.
grant
Raoul S. Duke,
Raoul S. Duke,
Your correct, but which side of the equation do you want to be on, the one with gold buying grain or the one selling grain? Who will have control? I am sure the government probably has some stockpiles of grain set aside they don't tell us about, which will probably not be available for everyone in case of emergency even if you have gold, or if you are able to buy from them, but that will make you dependent on them. I would like to hold on to my independence, if everyone on earth at the time of Joseph would have stored seven years of food, they wouldn't have had to give their gold or silver to Egypt to buy it. If a person has the ability to produce their own food now or store it now, why would you want to pay later, at a price that I am sure they will stipulate. And it could cost you a lot of gold if there is a limited supply of food.
grant
Out of the loop.
John2K,
You are assuming that the price will go down because we won't have money to pay for it. But this isn't the problem. The price is going up also because the Chinese government is buying petroleum with FRNs from the Middle East, and then the Middle Eastern countries purchase Chinese products with FRNs, there is no shortage of dollars in China or the Middle East, they are trading well with FRNs, the problem is that these dollars are not coming back to the States to circulate and allow us to pay our bills.
We are out of the loop.
grant
Hey...
Did you all know that you can live off one fresh egg everyday and water if you had to???
A FRESH egg gives you enough of the basics to get you by if you HAD to....(well until you needed vitamin C anyway)
And did you know that even in the city or suburbs most places will allow you to keep chickens as pets (not considering them livestock if you don't intend to eat them) so you could get some chickens and enjoy their eggs....(without a rooster they will usually lay one egg a day up to five years)
Chickens also don't need any special food (although like most things..the better the stuff that goes in the better the stuff that comes out)
Chickens will eat all of your food scraps, are regularly given their own eggshells for calcium, can drink rain water, and can survive all climates in the USA. They are also good for eating grass and controlling insect population and provide wonderful organic fertilizer for your garden. Just some food for thought =)
I apologize if I come off
I apologize if I come off harsh towards gold and silver, we are on the same side, and as long as we keep looking towards our goal, these little differences won't matter much.
I do overreact at times, but it is out of concern for people that I care about and know will suffer the most.
I am always careful not to quote the bible, since many times it leads to even more arguements. But I am sure you are familiar with the story of Joseph in Genesis. There were good crops for 7 years and Joseph had the people to store the grain. Then it quit raining and no crops would grow. The famine was over all the earth, and Egypt was the only country with food.
Now I am not a doomsday prophet, but I believe that it is practical advice considering our current world situation. We have Israel willing now to lead the fight against Iran. We have over a 100,000 soldiers in the Middle East fighting a war, and we have a government that has and continues to keep us as slaves. I don't see any Joseph leading the government to store grain for 7 years, don't imagine our supply would go beyond 6 months in a crisis.
grant
Grant, I have no p[roblem
Grant,
I have no p[roblem with you reccommending food.. ALL families should have atleast 1 years worth of strorage food! mountisn house will last as long as 50 years.. after food and water, then hygeine items, tools, GARDEN SEEDS, NONHYBRID- and then you will need some silver/gold. yep were on the same side, no argument there. but real money will be just as important as food, water etc.. there will always need to be commerce between people in a localized area.. what if you want to buy a large ticket item like 50 acres of land? how will you trade enough food or other things to buy it?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
I just wanted to add that in
I just wanted to add that in Genesis when Joseph conviced Egypt to store grain before the famine, this allowed his family to survive when his brothers came to buy food. His brothers used money (ie. gold/silver) to buy grain from Egypt. This story shows why it is wise to store both food and other real commodities/wealth for lean times.
I live in a small aparment and cannot store large amounts of food.
That is why I store gold/silver to prepare for the worst.
We should also be prepared to grow our own food when there is none to buy.
I don't mind stocking up some food because it's not
wasteful spending and it's not speculation if I actually eat the food, eventually.
"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson
Personally, I'm not worried about food supply shortage.
"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson
you need to be worried..
you need to be worried.. with all the evidence and your not worried?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
No. I have a bigger problem to worry. INCOME. So, I am
very cautious about BUYING anything.
"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson
I have a different audience.
SIERRAHPBT,
We are obviously talking to two different audiences. I grew up close to the Detroit area amoung people who make minimum wage and go paycheck to paycheck. I under no circumstance would tell them to buy gold, because they probably wouldn't even know if it was real. They need to stock up on food first and understand that gold and silver isn't going to help them. So don't misunderstand my enthusiasm for food when I put it at the top of the list with, tools, water ect, ect, ect, and at the bottom of my list to buy some silver and last of all gold.
Of course if Ron Paul wins, we won't need to buy gold, because he says he will offer an alternative to the FRN and coin money in gold and silver for people to use. I suggest he make payment to Social Security Retired people first, and let it flow into the system. So excuse me if I throw a little water on your desire to start a gold fever, but history shows us that poor people are naive and need people to keep them them on the right track.
grant
I see where your coming
I see where your coming from! but do you know that a few pre 1964 silver dims would be good to have! you can buy them 1 at a time if need be. Your right food/water should be the first priority.. but for those people living paycheck to paycheck this is the one way for them to get ahead! 200 face value of silver dimes occumulated over time will be worth a small fortune if people would just start slowly and buy! it will get them ahead.. how many packs of cigarettes or 6 packs of beer can these people give up to invest in there future! and I'm not trying to start gold fever, I personally have very little gold.. silver is where I go.. and the reason they stay poor is because of there naivity. they pooh pooh every thing that comes along and won't look at something that could get them well off! for a small investment. if Ron Paul becomes president I will then look differently at gold but not silver.. silver is in shortage and that metal is consumed! it is used to make almost everything we need to live. again for the millionth time-- go read ted butler-
investmentrarities.com download the free 61 page book.
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Yep your right Kevin! but
Yep your right Kevin! but lump a berkey water filter with my food preps!
but yep with out water your dead quicker!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Just another data point...
...for you guys and gals to consider. Yesterday, the gas station at WalMart was out of gas. They won't get more until tonight.
This is the third time in two weeks that I have seen local gas stations run out...
Yours in Liberty,
Shovel
This is related to a comment
This is related to a comment I made today in the $70 oil thread here at DP.
World demand is supposedly a few million barrels greater than world supply. That results in several million barrels daily adding to the supply deficit and chipping away at reserves.
If price increases enough, we will see demand decrease to the amount that is available to be supplied.
If prices do not increase enough to cause a decrease in demand, then the only other alternative (other than oil producers figuring out how to increase production) are shortages...
IMO, we all should hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
Just to let you know...
Went to Taco Hell on the way home the other night, it was about 12:00 pm, and guess what..they were out of rice and meat on EVERYTHING. The only thing they had was bean burittos and pintos and cheese. This was Taco Bell. Thought that to be odd. Then went to both of my towns wholesale bread stores and they were both out of hotdog buns ( early in the morning I went ) one told me they were not getting as many in, as they used too. I was driving thru town yesterday ( sunday ) and drove past a tireshop and repair ( fairly popular one ) and they had a big sign out, OPEN ON SUNDAY. This is a first. I have lived here for most of my life, and I have never seen so many yardsales and gardens. People are waking up to reality now.
A friend of mine has an auto
A friend of mine has an auto repair shop and has been incredibly busy probably since just prior to the fall of 2007.
He said that with the economy not doing so well and many people being concerned it results in people fixing their old cars rather than buying new ones - which actually is great news for him, but not so good for the rest of us.
People fixing their cars instead of buying new:
This is actually good news.
its:
1. good for the environment
2. good for the customers' wallets
3. good for the banking system (a smaller consumer credit bubble)
"Bad" for US auto makers?
This is serious folks.
The most important thing to do right now is stock up on food, it is your primary concern. If the sun is blocked out for a year or two, nothing will grow, if you and all your neighbors have bought gold and silver, who will you trade with for food? During the gold rush in California, the man who took food and supplies to sell got more than enough gold and silver.
Yes, the people who sold the
Yes, the people who sold the supplies were way more successful than those who were actually taking part in the gold rush.
lol..... omg always bring up
lol..... omg always bring up gold and silver to bash... FOOL- YOU NEED BOTH! GET IT? BOTH! FOOD SHOULD BE BOUGHT FIRST- AFTER THAT SILVER-
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
You need water before food.
You need water before food. How many of us have built a cistern for rainwater or dug a well?
You can build a cistern in your backyard in the suburbs.
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I suggest buying one of these filters
http://www.berkeyfilters....
We have one. If things get really bad, I have a swimming pool full of water.
Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Can you get water
out of a well without electric?
Yes, you just need a manual
Yes, you just need a manual pump. They are fairly cheap.
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