A good way to react to provocation of this sort is to stay on message. Why do we support Ron Paul's campaign?
A few reminders:
1. Restore the Constitution
2. Protect individual privacy and individual liberty
3. End the occupation of Iraq
4. Back up the US dollar with gold and silver
5. Oppose the North American Union
6. Defend our borders and our sovereignty
7. Limit the size and scope of government
If this guy is a "humor columnist" then I should be able to sign up tomorrow as an astronaunt. This level of arrogance along with refusing to look at alot of cold hard facts, is exactly what got us into this mess.
This article is only indicitive of what TIME really thinks of it's readers/subscribers intelligence.
Even if I were not an RP supporter, I would be dismayed at this article.
This campaign is a two edged sword, well maybe a many, many edged sword. It is showing millions of Americans that the corporate mainstream media is more of a government tool than we ever imagined.
The things that I learn on a daily basis are priceless.
Stop freaking out. Read some other articles from Joel Stein. This was not a bad piece considering the source -- although a little *gentle* correction on a few key points may still be in order. :-)
Anyway, even if Stein's only made it to phase 2, it's better than still getting ignored. :-D
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....first of all, don't you have to be famous for people to care who you "endorse"?
secondly, please stop advertising that a holocaust denier is on our side... as a personal favor to me... pretty pretty please just let this Hutton thing die... it really makes my job of spreading the ron paul message much much harder, that's all.
I think this endorsement from Mel Gibson's dad is great.
Say what you will, but two Mel Gibson movies come to mind that strongly promote the emotional appeal and passion that we have for individual liberty vs tyranny:
Just wait, in a year all the cool kids will be begging to copy off our homework and tests. The other candidates have already started top copy off Ron Paul to a degree in the recent debates.
will break my bones but words will never harm me :)
We've got one of those autographed pocket sized Constitutions - we had two of them and gave one away (long before he became a Candidate for this race) - we're still kicking ourselves... LOL!
The last two paragraphs of the story are pure drivel. My least favorite line is "The one place Paul hasn't become a major player is where it counts: in the polls..." Last I looked, the polls don't count; the ballot box does.
Support our republic and the liberty it provides - Todd
I have to admit I'm part of the "tin foil hat" crowd, but as William Burroghs (sp?) once said, "sometimes being paranoid is just having all the facts". Do not be discouraged when you see articles like this. Vast corporate powers are trying to control the narrative about Ron Paul. Everyone just keep on doing what they are doing.
I found this article pretty insulting, so I wrote this letter:
"Paul's fans are entranced by a man who responds to surprising information with "Wowee" and a
jaw-dropped smile not often seen apart from 5-year-old boys and Muppets"
I thought this quote epitomized an article where you engaged in outright ridicule of Ron Paul, and everyone who supported him.
Why don't you examine the merit of his ideas rather than belittling his smile? Perhaps, rather than just being weird, many Americans are refreshed by Paul's honesty and the consistency with which he has held his principles during his tenure in congress.
To give one example:
Before the Iraq war Paul voted against the resolution to authorize the President, citing that Iraq was not the threat that Bush was claiming, and that the war was possibly going to be far costlier and far longer than anticipated.
4 years, 3,700 lives, and 500 billion dollars into the war all of Paul's predictions have come true. Over the course of those 4 years he has continued to speak against the war and vote against the funding that allows it to continue.
Meanwhile the Democrats, who claim to provide an alternative on Iraq, all voted for the war resolution and continue to vote for its funding, while not committing to withdrawing during their presidency.
On Iraq, it appears to Paul supporters that he is not a "nerd" but a sage leader who predicted the outcome of a bad decision and worked to prevent it. Meanwhile the Democrats appear to be crass politicians who voted for the war when it was popular, vote for the funding to avoid looking bad, and take advantage of anti war sentiment without actually doing or committing to do anything.
There are enough similar examples of his virtues to fill many letters, but I will spare your time.
Disagreeing with Paul is one thing, but an entire article of name calling, nerd, crab grass, muppet, nuts, etc. is just insulting, and I think reflects poorly on your character.
Had I put the intellectual effort into this reply that you used in your article, I would have have paraphrased Frank Lutz and simply wrote:
Nope it's a guy in a shark suit!... That part had me rolling, no matter how the rest of the article went.
'Representative Tom Tancredo, another long-shot GOP candidate, tells me that after a debate in New Hampshire, one of his staffers walked up to a guy in a shark costume and asked him if he was a Ron Paul supporter. "No. They're all nuts," replied the shark. "I'm just a guy in a shark suit."
"[Tom Cruise] went to Paul's dressing room to thank him for his work on a bill fighting the forced mental screening of grade-school kids. "Go. Go. Go. Go hard," Cruise said. Paul turned to an aide and asked, "What movies has he been in?"
I sometimes wonder if any of these "journalists" may like RP's message, but have to undercut it in the story to keep their jobs... they make some good comments & get some of RPs position points out, but then throw the jabs in. Maybe they have to, to make it appear like an attack to the head honchos, but at the same time getting some positive points across.
I just can't imagine that so many journalists can be against liberty and freedom! (or that ignorant, either)
The "nerd" attack seems very weak, particularly since it was repeated several times. Reads like someone trying to press an issue but not really meaning it (and secretly liking the message).
the article was good, frank luntz was mentioned which was the only part i didnt like but it was ok (even though "f__k you" whatever he said was awesome). the online articles are great especially since they have popped up after the leno interview but lets not get complacent. we still havent broken through to much news coverage, the job is nowhere near over were still fighting an uphill battle.
It was a pretty well written article in its entirety, but it seemed like the editor got ahold of it and put the word "NERD" in as many places as it would fit.
I guess the editor is too cool for the constitution.
Re: The Ron Paul Revolution (Joel Stein/Nov 1, 2007)
It's certainly a world turned upside down when candidates who give cookie-cutter, poll-driven responses during debates are "nuanced," but Ron Paul's straight-forward, educated responses are "nerdy." Somehow, the implication is that we Paul supporters are smart, but just too impractical or inexperience for the real world. Accordingly, the U.S. Constitution is just too anachronistic for the "cool" kids, and we should just go back to our physics books and let you run our lives for us. We can rest assured that the "cool" kids will use their power wisely, and all that is required of us is that we give up our liberty.
However, maybe the nerds are trying to save the cool kids from themselves. It's just possible that the Constitution was a pretty good idea after all. I know that I'll side with nerds and liberty any day over being "cool" like Mr. Stein.
The author's entire premise is flawed: Ron Paul has the support of huge numbers of college-aged people; a demographic that has been the arbiter of cool from time immemorial.
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“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” --John Quincy Adams
I think Time calls all economists concerned about our inflation rate "Nerds".
If we are the "Nerds", then that would make Time, CNN, and the rest of the mainstream media the "Jocks". We all know who wins in the "Revenge of the Nerds" movies, right?
There is a lot of misinformation in that article, however, I found it interesting anyway. It's an obvious hit piece, calling all Ron Paul supporters 9/11 truthers and anarchists without mentioning that he also gets the most military support.
I liked the Cruise/Paul conversation, I wish that was taped and put on YouTube.
I can't believe that they went to Luntz of all people to get his "expert" opinion.
He's as credible as a venomous snake. You see a lot of that in this article.
My favorite quote in the article:
"No. They're all nuts," replied the shark. "I'm just a guy in a shark suit."
You thinking of the old SNL skit? That's what came to my mind and I about rolled out of my chair...I'd like to meet that guy no matter who he supported..LOL
Nerds might be a step up from nuts. Most people deep down always pull for the nerds. Remember "Revenge of the Nerds"? I think most people feel they are somewhat of a nerd who doesn't fit in with the "popular" crowd. I see the popular kid as Mitt Romney and the bully as Rudy Giuliani. Ron Paul is the nerdy kid who isn't afraid to hold his ground against these other jerks. Nerds rule!!!!
For the first time in my life someone called me a nerd. If supporting Ron Paul make you a nerd, then I am big nerd. I guess it better than being called the t-word that ryhmes with nerd. I think that one goes to Frank Luntz.
A funny thing is that my father, who served in the Army, is now a nerd. Come to think of it...so is my mother. I guess my wife is a nerd too! She supports RP.
Even my Fedex delivery driver is a nerd. He just found out about RP from me and has gone to change to Republican.
I think it would be more effective if we taped the NERD signs to our pocket protectors. Don't want to interfere with the tin foil on the hat. Might let the frequencies through.....
"Paul doesn't expect that he will win the nomination,"
Wrong.
"and he has no interest in running as an independent again."
Wrong.
"But he also doesn't see himself endorsing one of the other Republicans in the general election."
Correct. He's going to be endorsing himself... just you wait & see..
"Paul doesn't expect that he will win the nomination...."
I noticed this as well and was bothered by it. I'd like to see the author's source for that statement. Every time I've seen Paul asked if he expected to win, he's replied in the affirmative. He may not come right out and say "I fully expect to win," but he notes that there is always hope and that his chances are steadily improving.
Let there be no doubt, Ron Paul is in this race to win.
__________
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” --John Quincy Adams
The Leno-interview itself belies this reporter's bare assertion, so a source would be nice. The thing is, Time has a long history of antiLibertarian bias (from calling Lyndon LaRouche one of us and down through the years of bias against any idea that might, somehow lead to smaller government). I doubt we'll ever see either a source or a correction.
JMR
Are your reported statistics correlative or causitive? After some review of your comments you've made in your post-debate coverage, quotes in articles, etc., I've come to realize you may not even know the difference between those two words. In truth, your reporting is causitive to the demise of this Country and it is directly correlated to your relationship with the hi-jacked GOP, namely, NeoCons.
Look what he says about his supporters, I think he watched my video :)
"His supporters are the equivalent of crabgrass," says GOP consultant Frank Luntz. "It's not the grass you want, and it spreads faster than the real stuff. They just like him because he's the most anti-Establishment of all the candidates, the most likely to look at the camera during the debates and say, 'Hey, Washington, f____ you.'"
David Rockefeller Likes Time
He even thanked them for abiding by their "promises of discretion" not to blow the cover off his and his friends' plans for a one-world government.
Don't expect anything but drivel from this magazine.
How to react to provocation
A good way to react to provocation of this sort is to stay on message. Why do we support Ron Paul's campaign?
A few reminders:
1. Restore the Constitution
2. Protect individual privacy and individual liberty
3. End the occupation of Iraq
4. Back up the US dollar with gold and silver
5. Oppose the North American Union
6. Defend our borders and our sovereignty
7. Limit the size and scope of government
You're being redundant
1. Restore the Constitution....period
2-7 are simply the result of 1. Those points merely enumerate ways in which our Constitution has been violated/disobeyed/ignored.
not even close to funny
If this guy is a "humor columnist" then I should be able to sign up tomorrow as an astronaunt. This level of arrogance along with refusing to look at alot of cold hard facts, is exactly what got us into this mess.
INTRADE....
Ron Paul now 3rd at Intrade.
Last Prices:
Giuliani: 40.0
Thompson: 29.3
Paul: 8.9
Thompson: 8.1
Huckster: 4.5
Time
This article is only indicitive of what TIME really thinks of it's readers/subscribers intelligence.
Even if I were not an RP supporter, I would be dismayed at this article.
This campaign is a two edged sword, well maybe a many, many edged sword. It is showing millions of Americans that the corporate mainstream media is more of a government tool than we ever imagined.
The things that I learn on a daily basis are priceless.
Joel Stein is a HUMOR writer, folks
Stop freaking out. Read some other articles from Joel Stein. This was not a bad piece considering the source -- although a little *gentle* correction on a few key points may still be in order. :-)
Anyway, even if Stein's only made it to phase 2, it's better than still getting ignored. :-D
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Luntz-nut
What I would like to say to Luntz about us being crabgrass can't be printed here...but you get the picture!
Better yet Mel Gibson's dad, a very religious person, supports Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
that sucks...
....first of all, don't you have to be famous for people to care who you "endorse"?
secondly, please stop advertising that a holocaust denier is on our side... as a personal favor to me... pretty pretty please just let this Hutton thing die... it really makes my job of spreading the ron paul message much much harder, that's all.
Mel Gibson's Dad endorses Ron Paul
I think this endorsement from Mel Gibson's dad is great.
Say what you will, but two Mel Gibson movies come to mind that strongly promote the emotional appeal and passion that we have for individual liberty vs tyranny:
Braveheart
The Patriot
It's not me saying it... it's people I talk to...
...trust me, what comes to mind when people in NYC hear "mel gibson" isn't those 2 movies... it's 2 different phrases:
"holocaust denier"
"anti-semitic drunken DUI rant"
But I can't argue about this on yet another thread... it seems that people are insistent on promoting this endorsement and I will make the best of it.
Hell, maybe it's just a NY thing... maybe (hopefully) in other parts of the country this is a net positive.
Don't copy off me!
Just wait, in a year all the cool kids will be begging to copy off our homework and tests. The other candidates have already started top copy off Ron Paul to a degree in the recent debates.
Whatever
Nerds huh? Revenge of the Nerds is one of my favorite movies.
Sticks and stones...
will break my bones but words will never harm me :)
We've got one of those autographed pocket sized Constitutions - we had two of them and gave one away (long before he became a Candidate for this race) - we're still kicking ourselves... LOL!
The "polls" is where it counts???
The last two paragraphs of the story are pure drivel. My least favorite line is "The one place Paul hasn't become a major player is where it counts: in the polls..." Last I looked, the polls don't count; the ballot box does.
Support our republic and the liberty it provides - Todd
tin foil hat
I have to admit I'm part of the "tin foil hat" crowd, but as William Burroghs (sp?) once said, "sometimes being paranoid is just having all the facts". Do not be discouraged when you see articles like this. Vast corporate powers are trying to control the narrative about Ron Paul. Everyone just keep on doing what they are doing.
My letter to Joel Stein
I found this article pretty insulting, so I wrote this letter:
"Paul's fans are entranced by a man who responds to surprising information with "Wowee" and a
jaw-dropped smile not often seen apart from 5-year-old boys and Muppets"
I thought this quote epitomized an article where you engaged in outright ridicule of Ron Paul, and everyone who supported him.
Why don't you examine the merit of his ideas rather than belittling his smile? Perhaps, rather than just being weird, many Americans are refreshed by Paul's honesty and the consistency with which he has held his principles during his tenure in congress.
To give one example:
Before the Iraq war Paul voted against the resolution to authorize the President, citing that Iraq was not the threat that Bush was claiming, and that the war was possibly going to be far costlier and far longer than anticipated.
4 years, 3,700 lives, and 500 billion dollars into the war all of Paul's predictions have come true. Over the course of those 4 years he has continued to speak against the war and vote against the funding that allows it to continue.
Meanwhile the Democrats, who claim to provide an alternative on Iraq, all voted for the war resolution and continue to vote for its funding, while not committing to withdrawing during their presidency.
On Iraq, it appears to Paul supporters that he is not a "nerd" but a sage leader who predicted the outcome of a bad decision and worked to prevent it. Meanwhile the Democrats appear to be crass politicians who voted for the war when it was popular, vote for the funding to avoid looking bad, and take advantage of anti war sentiment without actually doing or committing to do anything.
There are enough similar examples of his virtues to fill many letters, but I will spare your time.
Disagreeing with Paul is one thing, but an entire article of name calling, nerd, crab grass, muppet, nuts, etc. is just insulting, and I think reflects poorly on your character.
Had I put the intellectual effort into this reply that you used in your article, I would have have paraphrased Frank Lutz and simply wrote:
'Hey, Joel Stein, f____ you.'
Knock Knock....Pizza guy..
Nope it's a guy in a shark suit!... That part had me rolling, no matter how the rest of the article went.
'Representative Tom Tancredo, another long-shot GOP candidate, tells me that after a debate in New Hampshire, one of his staffers walked up to a guy in a shark costume and asked him if he was a Ron Paul supporter. "No. They're all nuts," replied the shark. "I'm just a guy in a shark suit."
LOL
Cruise/Paul
"[Tom Cruise] went to Paul's dressing room to thank him for his work on a bill fighting the forced mental screening of grade-school kids. "Go. Go. Go. Go hard," Cruise said. Paul turned to an aide and asked, "What movies has he been in?"
I would have paid anything to see that.
Great photo, great headline
Sometimes that's what matters most.
I sometimes wonder if any of
I sometimes wonder if any of these "journalists" may like RP's message, but have to undercut it in the story to keep their jobs... they make some good comments & get some of RPs position points out, but then throw the jabs in. Maybe they have to, to make it appear like an attack to the head honchos, but at the same time getting some positive points across.
I just can't imagine that so many journalists can be against liberty and freedom! (or that ignorant, either)
Totally agree
The "nerd" attack seems very weak, particularly since it was repeated several times. Reads like someone trying to press an issue but not really meaning it (and secretly liking the message).
stay focused- nov 5th
the article was good, frank luntz was mentioned which was the only part i didnt like but it was ok (even though "f__k you" whatever he said was awesome). the online articles are great especially since they have popped up after the leno interview but lets not get complacent. we still havent broken through to much news coverage, the job is nowhere near over were still fighting an uphill battle.
The Editor Is "Cool"
It was a pretty well written article in its entirety, but it seemed like the editor got ahold of it and put the word "NERD" in as many places as it would fit.
I guess the editor is too cool for the constitution.
My Letter to the Editor
Re: The Ron Paul Revolution (Joel Stein/Nov 1, 2007)
It's certainly a world turned upside down when candidates who give cookie-cutter, poll-driven responses during debates are "nuanced," but Ron Paul's straight-forward, educated responses are "nerdy." Somehow, the implication is that we Paul supporters are smart, but just too impractical or inexperience for the real world. Accordingly, the U.S. Constitution is just too anachronistic for the "cool" kids, and we should just go back to our physics books and let you run our lives for us. We can rest assured that the "cool" kids will use their power wisely, and all that is required of us is that we give up our liberty.
However, maybe the nerds are trying to save the cool kids from themselves. It's just possible that the Constitution was a pretty good idea after all. I know that I'll side with nerds and liberty any day over being "cool" like Mr. Stein.
Well said. The author's
Well said.
The author's entire premise is flawed: Ron Paul has the support of huge numbers of college-aged people; a demographic that has been the arbiter of cool from time immemorial.
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“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” --John Quincy Adams
Aren't we supposed to...
be boycotting hit pieces... The first page was bad enough, but the second page made it clear that it was a hit piece beyond doubt...
WE are the ones that end up boosting ratings on these pieces of garbage... let's not do that,.... don't bother clicking on the above...
Meh
I think Time calls all economists concerned about our inflation rate "Nerds".
If we are the "Nerds", then that would make Time, CNN, and the rest of the mainstream media the "Jocks". We all know who wins in the "Revenge of the Nerds" movies, right?
There is a lot of misinformation in that article, however, I found it interesting anyway. It's an obvious hit piece, calling all Ron Paul supporters 9/11 truthers and anarchists without mentioning that he also gets the most military support.
I liked the Cruise/Paul conversation, I wish that was taped and put on YouTube.
I can't believe that they went to Luntz of all people to get his "expert" opinion.
He's as credible as a venomous snake. You see a lot of that in this article.
My favorite quote in the article:
"No. They're all nuts," replied the shark. "I'm just a guy in a shark suit."
lol...
yeah, even though we were the targets on that one, it was still funny... :) A play on an old joke but I can't remember where it came from...
Saturday Night Live
You thinking of the old SNL skit? That's what came to my mind and I about rolled out of my chair...I'd like to meet that guy no matter who he supported..LOL
It might be time...
for a meetup group to sponsor a Ron Paul Shark Suit ralley! That ought to get some free press. :D
From Nuts to Nerds
Nerds might be a step up from nuts. Most people deep down always pull for the nerds. Remember "Revenge of the Nerds"? I think most people feel they are somewhat of a nerd who doesn't fit in with the "popular" crowd. I see the popular kid as Mitt Romney and the bully as Rudy Giuliani. Ron Paul is the nerdy kid who isn't afraid to hold his ground against these other jerks. Nerds rule!!!!
i would say
the real nerd is the author of this story.
reporter for time magazine...how can you get more nerdy????
fair, well-written article
No biggie
When you fight as hard for Liberty and study as much on issues as RP does, maybe you dont have time to watch "Top Gun" or "Days of Thunder".
I am glad he hasn't filled up his head with all that garbage. Good for him!
It could've...
It may have been a joke, but Time doesn't let you know that, do they?
31 Year Old Nerd Reporting To Duty
For the first time in my life someone called me a nerd. If supporting Ron Paul make you a nerd, then I am big nerd. I guess it better than being called the t-word that ryhmes with nerd. I think that one goes to Frank Luntz.
A funny thing is that my father, who served in the Army, is now a nerd. Come to think of it...so is my mother. I guess my wife is a nerd too! She supports RP.
Even my Fedex delivery driver is a nerd. He just found out about RP from me and has gone to change to Republican.
38, father, husband,
38, father, husband, professional, involved in company sports teams. (softball, golf, bicycling)
If they want to call me a nerd... so be it.
Revenge of the Nerds!!! Coming soon to a polling place near you!!!
gotcha by 26 years
so I can write "NERD" across the front of the "tin foil hat" sitting atop my 57 year old head?
hehe
I think it would be more effective if we taped the NERD signs to our pocket protectors. Don't want to interfere with the tin foil on the hat. Might let the frequencies through.....
Nerds?
But...But...I thought we were spammers?
JMR
Growth!
We are expanding our base. Now we're nerds and spammers. We're Spards!
lmao
@ you guys =)
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"The time is near at hand which we must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
George Washington
First President of the USA.
"Paul doesn't expect that he
"Paul doesn't expect that he will win the nomination,"
Wrong.
"and he has no interest in running as an independent again."
Wrong.
"But he also doesn't see himself endorsing one of the other Republicans in the general election."
Correct. He's going to be endorsing himself... just you wait & see..
"Paul doesn't expect that he
"Paul doesn't expect that he will win the nomination...."
I noticed this as well and was bothered by it. I'd like to see the author's source for that statement. Every time I've seen Paul asked if he expected to win, he's replied in the affirmative. He may not come right out and say "I fully expect to win," but he notes that there is always hope and that his chances are steadily improving.
Let there be no doubt, Ron Paul is in this race to win.
__________
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” --John Quincy Adams
Indeed.
The Leno-interview itself belies this reporter's bare assertion, so a source would be nice. The thing is, Time has a long history of antiLibertarian bias (from calling Lyndon LaRouche one of us and down through the years of bias against any idea that might, somehow lead to smaller government). I doubt we'll ever see either a source or a correction.
JMR
email
EMAIL FRANK LUNTZ
flluntz@aol.com
I'm sure it's not his personal address, but it's good enough.
letter to frank (just to piss him off)
Dear Frank:
Are your reported statistics correlative or causitive? After some review of your comments you've made in your post-debate coverage, quotes in articles, etc., I've come to realize you may not even know the difference between those two words. In truth, your reporting is causitive to the demise of this Country and it is directly correlated to your relationship with the hi-jacked GOP, namely, NeoCons.
Go away.
Patrick
Gainesville, FL
Frank Luntz Demonstration How He can BS in Any Poll!
Fox poll consultant, Frank Luntz, demonstrating how he can get ANY result he wants from a poll in Penn&Teller show..
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Hey wait a second...
Look what he says about his supporters, I think he watched my video :)
"His supporters are the equivalent of crabgrass," says GOP consultant Frank Luntz. "It's not the grass you want, and it spreads faster than the real stuff. They just like him because he's the most anti-Establishment of all the candidates, the most likely to look at the camera during the debates and say, 'Hey, Washington, f____ you.'"
F____ You Frank!