Kucinich Presents 35 Articles of Impeachment Against Bush
Posted June 11th, 2008 by Michael Nystrom
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This was last night, June 9.
Yes, this site is called the Daily Paul, but daily news has been rather thin lately. Note the subtitle: Dedicated to restoring constitutional government to the United States of America. Personally I don't care what party Kucinich is from, he's a hero in my book, right along with Ron Paul.
The two party system is broken, and the only way we're going to fix our own country is by ourselves. Where is the media coverage on this?
Comments and discussion welcome.
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4 more years!
Honestly...if I was really faced with a choice between George W, McCain, and Obama...I really would lean towards giving W another 4 years.
Don't get me wrong...he ranks right up there with Charles Manson and Paris Hilton on people I trust to run the country...but he may be the least dangerous of the 3.
Luckily, there's always another choice...i'll write in Ron Paul
Wow.
You're a complete joke, a fool, tempted by the utter futility of sticking to the same thing simply for the sake of predictability and comfort level. After all the objective proof you have been given, the still uncertain levels of criminality that has been conducted by the Bush Administration, you STILL hunger for more given a choice of mainstream candidates??
Let me put it to you in simple facts.
1. You have no clue as to whether Obama and McCain are more dangerous than George Bush, and you lose all credibility by implying you have some special knowledge to this that no one else does. The fact that you think Bush can be topped so easily makes me think you have no clue as to what this man has done.
2. Personally, I am especially bothered by all the criticism of Obama specifically being very dangerous to this country. Its as if total amnesia has seized people and they have accepted the Bush Administration as the normal, accepted status-quo. And Obama will somehow come along and ruin all that. Lets keep it honest. Use the information you have.
Here's my simple facts
McCain - you can forget leaving Iraq or Afghanistan in 4 years...he's already joked about bombing Iran. We're looking at at least 1 more war with him at the helm...maybe even more. We still have lukewarm relationships with Pakistan, with Syria, with Cuba, with Vietnam...I think McCain could screw up all of the above and then some.
Obama - dangerous in a different way. Yes, he probably would pull some troops from Baghdad and put them in Darfur...better option I suppose...but the health care thing scares me. This will likely be more expensive than social security in a few years. Socialized medicine will cause health care costs to continue to rise with no buffer in place...it will easily bankrupt this country once and for all in a decade. That's why he's dangerous. Also, he wants more money from me, and I pay too much already.
Sucks
But i get it. It is better to deal with the devil you know or the devil you don't know?
IMO Bush41 threw his second term. If that is the case then why would he do that? I see the PTB's agenda as much like say... sweeping up a pile of dirt. You sweep this way for a little while and then that way for a little while. Essentially they need what as seen as a direct opposite changing of the guard to carry the agenda a little further. This is why I feel Obama is the chosen one. The PTB needs to sweep the pile back in the other direction to consolidate their achievements thus far and It keeps the hate for these a-holes from ever reaching critical mass while allowing them to alter the ideological paradigm.
4 more years of Bush and I think violent revolution could be a real reality. I hate it, but i get it.
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Forget Impeachment
I want him in prison.
Did Everyone sign this?
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Oh hell yes! ;)
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Don't forget
And don't forget www.impeachbush.org (very popular).
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Of 706,381 votes, 89% say Impeach
Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment?
Of 706,381 responses, 89% agree that; Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
Poll:
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I doubt even 5% of the respondents
know what it means to "impeach" a president.
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sorry
I hate to rain on your parade here, but I've read the articles and their supporting comments.
90% unverified conjecture and unsubstantiated accusations (stated as fact, which is very unbecoming).
I'll guess that it will be impossible to turn this 90% into anything solid.
5% possibly impeachable offenses *if* they were presented to a congress that cared about paying attention to the constitution.
Just think about that *if* for a moment.
5% nonsensical, hypocritical whining that George Bush didn't spend enough money and pursue unconstitutional federal actions to "save" us from hurricanes and global warning, etc..
Friends, this guy is a waste and paying attention to him is a waste of time.
Treg, Tuma et al: Don't expect Ron Paul to get on this bandwagon; he has too much sense for it (I hope). The mindless "I hate George Bush" route is a dead end.
Your reasons are not valid
The mindless "I hate Saddam" route is a dead end as well, but that didnt stop us from pursuing it. Why do you defend an administration with rational that they themselves do not respect. The only difference is that Bush has power, Kucinich does not. Has nothing to do with what you stated. Bush could be impeached if people got on the bandwagon, just as the war was able to be conducted.
If he
can be officially charged with any one thing that's in there, and convicted of it and sentenced, then I'm 100% in favor of it.
If we can force him to pay attention to this, and hinder the neocon agenda of more war, then I'm 100% in favor of it.
If we can create a situation where the neocons look so bad publicly that they will never have any chance of holding office anywhere ever again, then I'm 100% in favor of it.
If this activity locks up the workings of the Congress for the duration of the Bush term and can't pass any more ignorant and oppressive laws, then I'm 100% in favor of it.
I can't really think of any downside.
The possibilities are that Bush gets canned, neocons get exposed, or we have gridlock in the Fed gov't for half a year. Or all 3.
Therefore, I'm for it.
DOES IT MATTER ?
Excellent Practical Analysis
You are right.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
But even if the expediency were not this apparent, we EACH need to STAND for what is RIGHT.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
It is politic... but it isn't politics.
Yes, but Wexler has done a
Yes, but Wexler has done a tireless job. Bush should have been gone with Cheney yesterday.
Ron Paul supports impeachment, but has not jumped on because he was worried that the party could not win this election if he did. see on Cspan. Ron Paul says that if anyone violates the Constitution they diserve to be Impeached. George W. Bush violated it on more than one occasion.
I don't necessarily disagree
I don't necessarily disagree with you--
I think Kucinich wrote up too many articles that would be too hard to try in an Impeachment trial. I think ten Articles of Impeachment--good, solid ones--would have been better.
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Don't forget, these articles
Don't forget, these articles of impeachment are voted on individually and not as a whole. It only takes one single article out of the 35 to impeach Bush.
this is nothing more then
this is nothing more then grandstanding! the idiots should have started this 4 years ago! why wait till the last 6 months? and instead of impeachment what about criminal charges?.thats why all those demodummies got elected 2 years ago for was to stop the war.. they could have done it easily by stopping funding.. they should have started impeachment long ago.. this is actually a joke! there is no difference between republijoke or demodummy.. they are one in the same. if you folks think osama obama is going to stop the war your nuts!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
he's tried before and others too...
...but pelosi meandered and kept it off of the agenda. dennis has worked hard to pressure her and others to get it on the floor.
as far as the manchurian candidate, obama, i couldn't agree more.
just more shell games and rhetoric...it will just be glossed over with more gimmies to make us feel good....as we slide further into debt to other globalist nations.
It's Time To Stand Up For The Constitution
Sir, where do you stand ?
I believe I know where Ron Paul ultimately stands.
Here is where Dennis Kucinich stands as he calls on his congressional colleagues to stand and be counted.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
I'll stand with Dennis and hope to see Congress, as well as Bush and Cheney made to account.
It's a simple question of what is right.
It is time
Where do I stand? I claim to have a great deal of respect for the constitution. I don't think Kucinich can make that claim while talking about "international law" and federal involvement in everything from hurricane preparedness to global warming.
He's correct about the war being illegal according to the constitution, but the number of congressmen who agree with that argument is about 2. And aside from the constitutional argument, he hasn't got much to say, so this impeachment business is not going to go anywhere.
You want to see where Ron Paul stands? See how he stands up for Kucinich. Paul is no shrinking violet. If he thinks this can go somewhere and/or is worth supporting, then you'll hear his voice speaking clearly to that effect. As has been pointed out by other peaceniks and Bush haters (e.g. Treg and Tuma et al) Ron Paul has given far less than enthusiastic support for this direction. They don't understand why either. But I'm just saying: Be sensible for a moment; think about what is useful to do in regard to restoring the republic and the constitution, and then things should become much clearer to you. Ron Paul is not a socialistic, big government, peacenik, and he may be supported by some, but he will not stand up for one. He also has realistic things to say about Bush. Not irrational bashing. He does *believe* that the administration planned the Iraq invasion before 9-11. (I guess it's pretty clear that Clinton was planning something along the same lines.) Has Ron Paul claimed or asserted that he can *prove* anything criminal or sinister beyond the unconstitutionality of the war? Answer: Basically, no. I recommend Ron Paul's book, Revolution, A Manifesto. Ever heard of it? Why doesn't it contain such accusations? Answer: They are not the main point of any argument Ron Paul makes. He argues that going into Iraq was a *bad* idea, which also happens to have been pursued in an unconstitutional manner. Not really in more of an unconstitutional manner than Clinton's "military actions" or Viet Nam or lots of other things, but in an unconstitutional manner nevertheless. The former argument (that going into Iraq was a *bad* idea) is the more immediately effective and important argument to make. The unconstitutionality is a great point for the long term, but is basically useless until those elected to places of power start to pay attention to the constitution. That Bush is such an evil, stupid guy etc. may or may not even be true, so that is a useless point of view, at least for the moment, though I'll grant you that is is a point of view shared by many posters on the Daily Paul.
For Which It Stands…
Hitler's Reich-Marshall Hermann Goering at his trial in Nuremberg after WWII said: "Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
I’m certain Ron Paul recognizes this parallel. But the parallel doesn’t end with merely thought manipulation through strategic propaganda, typical of most governments and the politicians who control them.
Farmer, your posts reflect you are thoughtful and diligent in your research. Out of respect for the time you took in fashioning your response I wanted to assemble a few links for you to examine as I urge you consider there is more at stake in this question of Impeachment than the usual election year posturing of political opponents. I suggest this issue is not merely to be decided by resolving what is pragmatic or expedient as if this is a normal political debate over policy. To my view, we are called on this occasion to rise personally and stand as we would expect of a true statesman who is more than a common politician.
I don’t like Bush… never did have much respect for him, but I agree with you that noxious personality, simple negligence and bad policy are not impeachable offenses. If politics at all are involved in this impeachment question it is as an indictment of the democrats standing down from their mandate to function as an effective counter in their role as the opposition party.
I would like to refer you to this Olbermann segment which fleshes out both your point and mine.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
These pundits seem perplexed as to why the Democrats are giving a pass to the Bush administration.
Here is an interesting perspective from Ralph Nader. You would likely say: ‘ consider the source’, but I would ask that you consider the substance being presented here.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
You have suggested the entirety of the Impeachment Bill be dismissed for invoking a reference to international law. But, the violation of international law that has been raised in the impeachment question is not just some technical nit picking by globalists. Bush and his neocon colleagues have engaged in aggressive war in violation of the same Just War, Higher Law principles which formed the basis for the prosecutions at Nuremberg. The torture, lies and illegal detentions appear to have been intentional, egregious, and shameless violations not only of our Constitution, but nearly universal standards of civility the world over. Ron Paul has gone out of his way to boldly articulate these objections to the Bush regime. I don’t recall that Ron Paul has yet voiced agreement with the view that threatening aggressive, offensive invasion is itself a transgression of more than sound policy and a tradition of justice. But few have been more outspoken in opposing such abhorrent doctrine of preemptive war. I don’t think it’s right to suggest Ron Paul is ambivalent on these issues.
Impeachment is the process due our republic under the Constitution by which Congress fulfills its function to investigate apparent violations of the oath of office by members of the executive branch. If we wish the Constitution, and the oath to abide by it to retain value, those who support it need to treat its disregard with the utmost gravitas.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
This really is of the highest magnitude. So let’s not be snide and partisan but rather examine where the truth lies. Let’s be serious since it really does matter.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
It isn’t history, it’s historic. It isn’t an academic question about past events, it is central to the most current of events.
It is a momentous question, but most urgently personal. So, I suggest we each ask ourselves again:
Where do I stand ?
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
did notice
I've got a really slow connection at the moment, and haven't been able to view the videos, but I plan to plod through them eventually. Thanks for putting together your response. I don't know how long the edit feature persists, if I will come back and edit this, or make any further response at all, but I will think about what you have said.
Thanks For Your Attention
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Kucinich Is Da Man
Paul / Kucinich is a combo I would vote for!
Does anyone remember
How did they "recall" the Gov of California. What were the grounds ???
I remember something about
I remember something about him being incompetent at the job, but as far as I know a reason is not necessary to recall a politician from office. If the people want to remove a politician from office, they can do so as it is their right.
In CA they collected enough signatures to force a new election to replace that governor. I'm sure it can be done elsewhere as well.
No Way.
Look, when congress passes an unconstitutional law devolving war powers to the executive, I don't think that congress should turn around and impeach the president. It feels like entrapment.
Dennis certainly has some good things to say, but he's just wrong on some things. The notion that the president ran a "secret" propaganda campaign is dumb; the propaganda campaign was very much above the table. It's true that Iraq had WMD (they were just under UN seal - we know how effective that is in the long run), and we didn't go to war over that, anyways - we went to war over the fact that we said "thanks for the list, but you missed this one and this one and this one - tell us where they are or we'll shoot", and there was no attempt by Iraq to account for the "missing" WMD.
Now, I think that the Iraq war was misguided, and the administration very irresponsible, self-delusionary, and heavy-handed. It's not worth impeaching over; because the administration didn't lie to the american people; they genuinely believed the shit they spewed (remember, inasmuch as there was quashed internal dissent in the CIA, there were elements of French and German intelligence forces that agreed with our assessment of the situation).
Not to be contrary. But,
Not to be contrary. But, infact, President Bush and his administration did orchestrate propaganda and outright lies to convince the American people to go to war with Iraq. This information is documented at The Center For Public Integrity 's website. You can read the entire report here:
http://www.publicintegrit...
You do make a good point
You do make a good point about congress unconstitutionally giving war powers to the President. Maybe on any articles of impeachment directly related to that fact he should be given benefit of the doubt on.
But that does not mean misleading the public and conducting propaganda campaigns to promote the war and support for the war were fine for him to do. As far as I know, both actions are illegal. The President does not have the authority, the right or any legal basis for conducting propaganda campaigns with or without public funds.
Consider the impeachment of Bill Clinton. He was impeached on two out of four articles of impeachment that were presented, although not convicted by the Senate. He was impeached for lying about getting blown by Monika.
Compare that to Bush - the articles of impeachment against him are way more serious in nature. Only a single article of impeachment out of the 35 needs to be passed by majority House vote in order to impeach. A supermajority vote in the Senate is needed to convict, which is probably less likely to happen.
BRAVO!! FINALLY!!
BRAVO!! FINALLY!!
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I just called the Washington #..and told them I am a Ron Paul supporter in NC and I wanted to thank the Congressman for stepping up and doing the right thing..and they should have added Nancy to the list.
Freedom is another way to God...A corrupt government is a straight way to hell.
sorry but I can't
sorry but I can't congradulate him.. shoulda been done long ago!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Thanks a bunch for the phone
Thanks a bunch for the phone numbers! I called the Washington number also and sent a message to Dennis thanking him for his courage and support of the Constitution.
Email Congresswoman Pelosi
JM
These are email contact links for Pelosi. I'm not very good at wording emails, but I know some of you are very good at getting your point across. Even if she doesn't do the right thing by supporting Bush's impeachment, I think she should feel the shame and embarrassment for not representing the peoples wishes. I guess traitors come in all forms.
Link to her web site: mailto:sf.nancy@mail.hous...
Gov. link: mailto:AmericanVoices@mai...
Info link: http://www.speaker.gov/co...
Her web site: http://www.house.gov/pelo...
Pelosi won't support it..
because she was present at all of the secret meetings on torture. She knew what they were doing as did a few other members of Congress. That's why she is blocking all impeachment articles. She knows she'll go down with the rest of the criminals.
There is a petition online to get her removed as Speaker. http://www.petitiononline...
It's never too late, if the House really got behind this, it would move to the Senate quickly and hearings would begin. It could literally take no more than a few weeks if Congress was truly up to doing the job they swore an oath to do.
The speaker of the House has
The speaker of the House has the authority to do that? Wouldn't there at least need to be a vote to determine if impeachment will be considered?
I thought it was called The House of Representatives, not The House of Pelosi.
TRUE COURAGE. HE IS A HERO! WE MUST JOIN HIM!
"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson
Totally! What's the first thing anyone says when upset . . .
. . . "Get rid of the bums!" (Impeachment). I just love to say it! Also, Dennis is a vegetarian and thinks clearly about the worlds food supply and health. RP and DK have lunch together and eat large salads. Great leaders bringing in the new era of a plant based diet for mankind. And GREEDisBAD, I so enjoy your insightful thoughts.
A true American Hero....
Dennis Kucinich will go down in history as one of the few willing to stand up in the face of tyranny!
I was blown away as I watched him deliver the articles of impeachment. If the Congress does nothing they could only be seen as complicit in each and every crime. In other words, proof we have a defacto and illigitimate government.
Let's see if justice prevails....
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The American Revolution 2.0 will not be televised... It will be downloaded!!!
That'
That's my congressman there! I've never been more proud of the man.
Wow, Look At This USA Today Poll
So far, 75% support the impeachment, with nearly 5000 votes and counting (each time I click latest results, it goes up).
http://blogs.usatoday.com...
Woah! Only a day later and
Woah! Only a day later and it's up to 84% supporting the impeachment and nearly double the votes, nearing 10,000.
For this impeachment to get anywhere, it will need tremendous public support, right?
Manystrom
The description under Daily Paul says: Restoring the Constitutional Government of the USA. This is that type of post. Don't sweat it!
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wow did
he even get them all?
Did Anyone Notice
That wench Pelosi (QUEEN OF FALSE PROMISES) sigh when Dennis asked for order? She needs to be added to the recall list.
Salute
In God We Trust!
I salute you Mr. Kucinich!
Dennis Deserves Our Highest Respect
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
When the first goals of this r3VOLution are achieved our broader message can stand up to the debate on the merits that will follow.
Letter To Reporter
This is a letter to a Mn. reporter who said Ron Paul was not allowed in the Convention because he had dropped out of the race...Just proves they let any idiot read the news
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Mr.Rowles,
Where do you get your facts? Did Bilderberg write your story for you, or maybe the CFR?
RON PAUL IS STILL IN THE RACE!!!!!!.
The reason Dr.Paul has been black listed from the GOP, from MSM, from everything you can think of is simple..
HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH...
We are waking up Mr.Rowles. We don't believe you,(MSM) anymore. We are tried of standing in the shadows trying not to get caught like a naughty child. We know our government in general, doesn't give a damn about us, or our rights. We are fed up, and we are willing to fight. We would rather die free on our feet, than live one second on our knees as a slave in the New World Order.
I suggest you go back and get your facts straight. And if you have the balls Sir, try something new. Report the truth...THE ENTIRE TRUTH!!
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being read by the House
being read by the House Clerk on C-Span now.
Here is the full resolution in pdf format
http://www.democrats.com/...