Bob Barr on Bloomberg TV last night with Ron Paul interlude
Posted June 10th, 2008 by bedr1
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Bob Barr on Bloomberg TV last night with Ron Paul interlude.
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The lesser of the evils is still evil.
If you were really tired of voting for the lesser of two evils you would write in Ron Paul. Bob Barr sucks, always has, always will, and is an opportunist. He would truly be the lesser of the evils, so screw him, he is still evil, and mucked up the LP.
WRITE IN RON PAUL. DO NOT VOTE FOR THE PANDERING FLATTERING LIARS.
Bob Barr is a Neo-con trying to ride the coat tails of the movement. Please read up on him yourself don't take my word for it!
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
So you're campaigning for votes
that won't be counted.
Riiiight. That makes ALOT of sense.
: Bob Barr voted for the
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Bob Barr voted for the patriot act and for the Iraq war. That makes him an enemy of liberty and a traitor to the Constitution. He is a neocon impostor who has hijacked the L.P. for the purpose of diluting the RP presence and message during the time of the GOP convention.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
What about "Change"
anyone at any time can see the Light and change there mind. We are at a time that we need to help "Change" many minds. ALOHA
Change is great, actions
Change is great, actions speak louder than words, though..
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
I understand...
what you say. Do you me?
Dr. Paul
doesn't believe that. Dr. Paul is supportive of him. The notion that he's trying to dilute Dr. Paul's message is beyond laughable, because he has the same message. Dr. Paul wouldn't be hoping he is successful at getting in the debates, as he just indicated on Cavuto, if his message was too far off from his own.
Paul just made a supportive comment of Barr
in his interview on Cavuto ..something to the effect that he hopes Barr will be able to get into the debates.
I hope someone gets a youtube of that
I hope someone gets a youtube of that, thats what I have been saying people its not about Ron Paul its about the message and Ron Paul understands the message is what is important - not some silly write in voted nobody will ever see
He and Barr
like each other a lot. It's obvious.
But yes it's about the message, not personalities or parties.
Bob Barr voted for the
Bob Barr voted for the patriot act and for the Iraq war. That makes him an enemy of liberty and a traitor to the Constitution. He is a neocon impostor who has hijacked the L.P. for the purpose of diluting the RP presence and message during the time of the GOP convention.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
to the troll below me 67% of Americans didnt take an oath
to defend the Constitution and liberty of people. 67% of Americans werent legislators you liar
67% of Americans didnt claim to have Voted for the Patriot Act to weaken it.
What an asinine statement
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
Over 67% of Americans were for the Iraq war when it started
Over 67% of Americans were for the Iraq war when it started, Bush had a 90% approval rating, and a majority of Americans were for the Patriot Act at that time.
I guess that makes them all enemies and traitors to the Constitution. Or does that just make them pawns to the manipulation the media puts out and to Bush Admin Lies. I think the latter applies here.
But lets not forget to mention that Bob Barr came out against the Iraq war in October of 2003 and came out against the Patriot Act from the beginning and voted against the first version along with Ron Paul. Barr did not vote for the Patriot Act until it was already passed and went to a Senate/House Compromise Committee where he was invited to be apart of (Ron Paul wasn't) and then watered it down and added sunset clauses to it. Which was the RIGHT thing to do.
So I am not sure how its so bad to vote against the original verson, and then go in after it passed to water it down and make it weaker. I understand the idea of allegiance to the American People and Constitution and always voting no on principle, but the damn thing passed with a Barr and Paul NO vote. YES Barr voted in "Conference" not on the floor of the house for the final version - but he agreed to, so he could go in and weaken the final bill. Ron Paul's own aide said at the time they thought it (Barr accepting the committee spot) was the correct thing to do, seeing that Ron Paul was not invited to be on the committee.
Dr. Paul probably would have done the same thing
if he was invited to be on the commitee. At least I would hope so, if he's looking out for us and our freedom.
Does Dr. Paul's
voting for the Afghanistan war make him a traitor to the Constitution too? If not, what's the Constitutionally-relevant difference?
Dr. Paul voted to go after
Dr. Paul voted to go after the people who supposedly were responsible for the 9/11 attacks. Of course know we know now that that info was intentionally misleading. but responding to an attack of naked aggression on our country is about as Consitiutional as it gets, moron.
I'd love to hear a yes or no answer to the question I asked you earlier:
"Do you support the Impeachment of Bush?"
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
It's still an invasion
without a declaration of war. Dr. Paul did something unconstitutional. Dr. Paul was misled, just as Barr was misled. Neither of them wanted to go into nation building.
About impeachment, you never asked me that. But no. I'm standing with Dr. Paul on not supporting impeachment of Bush. If he changes his mind, and he has good enough reasoning to convince me, then I'll change my mind too.
Dr Paul wasn't misled into
Dr Paul wasn't misled into voting for the 'patriot act' or the war in Iraq though.... what's Barr's lame excuse?
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
Barr put the sunset
provions in the Patriot Act, in at attempt to prevent us from being plagued with it forever. If he had to vote yes in order to get this in I'm grateful.
Barr has also been writing articles in opposition to the Patriot Act for five years now.
by Ron Paul November 6,
by Ron Paul
November 6, 2007
Mr. Speaker, I rise, reluctantly, in favor of the motion to table House Resolution 799, Impeaching Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors, and in favor of referring that resolution to the House Judiciary Committee for full consideration. I voted to table this resolution not because I do not share the gentleman from Ohio’s desire to hold those responsible for the Iraqi debacle accountable; but rather, because I strongly believe that we must follow established protocol in matters of such importance. During my entire time in Congress, I have been outspoken in my opposition to war with Iraq and Iran. I have warned my colleagues and the administration against marching toward war in numerous speeches over the years, and I have voted against every appropriation to continue the war on Iraq.
I have always been strongly in favor of vigorous congressional oversight of the executive branch, and I have lamented our abrogation of these Constitutional obligations in recent times. I do believe, however, that this legislation should proceed through the House of Representatives following regular order, which would require investigation and hearings in the House Judiciary Committee before the resolution proceeds to the floor for a vote. This time-tested manner of moving impeachment legislation may slow the process, but in the long run it preserves liberty by ensuring that the House thoroughly deliberates on such weighty matters. In past impeachments of high officials, including those of Presidents Nixon and Clinton, the legislation had always gone through the proper committee with full investigation and accompanying committee report.
Nuff said.
That's about Cheney
not Bush.
You are beyond reason.
You are beyond reason.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
Cheney
is a whole other story.
How can it be another
How can it be another story??......Cheney runs the show, but Bush is just as guilty.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
the barr barians are making me start to hate this website
Try to pull this crap on Ron Paul forums suckers
see what happens to you there
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
I bet anything Barr won't
I bet anything Barr won't back it.
Lets see if he Backs Dennis Kucinich's Impeachment call
He called for the impeachment of Clinton, lets see if he has the metal to support Dennis Kucinich. That will tell us a lot.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
Dr. Paul won't back it
What does that tell you?
Barr is no longer a member of Congress so any "backing" could only be rhetorical.
Barr is risking absolutely
Barr is risking absolutely nothing if he does back it.
I still predict he won't. Because he's one of them.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Does that make Dr. Paul
"one of them" since he won't back it?
Shut up, Billy. I will
Shut up, Billy.
I will admit this: If he doesn't back it, he will lose some respect in my eyes. He SHOULD back it, or help Dennis re-tool it into a more manageable indictment with fewer articles.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Apparently,
you've made Dr. Paul out to be something that he's not.
You should watch that, Billy.
Does your rhetoric
Make you a troll?
No, but you trying to pick a fight
, and with nothing substantial to say, together with a personal attack, makes you a troll.
I was asking the question.
I wasn't calling you a troll. If I was calling you a troll, I would just say you are a troll and point out why. Look how you word your answers and ask yourself again are you a troll?
Hey "BillyDee".... saw where
Hey "BillyDee".... saw where you and a troll buddy were caught on another web site bragging about your spamming/trolling of the D.P. Why even change your name.... it's not like you're fooling anyone.
Barr won't back it, rhetorical or not, because he's a neocon p.o.s. I'll wait and see what Dr. Paul says about it, at least we can trust him.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
Billy Dee?
Hey if you want to think I'm Billy Dee that's fine. I'll even play along with you on that.
Dr. Paul has already said he doesn't support impeaching Bush: http://youtube.com/watch?...
Because it's true;
Because it's true; gotcha.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Another BillyDee?
Welcome to the club.
Funny Funny.
I can log under two screen names and play off myself too..
I doubt that this system
allows that.
Happens all the time.
Flagger monkeys used to use it to delete whole posts. You should know that of all people....Right... Right.....wink wink. Troll Troll.
They you're Billy
too.
Funny Funny
I can log under two screen names and play off myself too.
More like play WITH
More like play WITH himself....
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
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Setting the Barr low...
I'd like to see a debate between Barr and Ron Paul. That would be interesting to say the least, to really put these two men side by side.
And before the Barr trolls belittle me for suggesting something unconventional, I know that such a debate would not likely take place. But then again (and I hate to use the one track minded-rhetoric of the bilateral War Party and their left and right wing apologists) neither will a Barr presidency.
"In questions of power...let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -Thomas Jefferson
THE "LOGIC" OF WHY BOB BARR VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT
The "Logic" of why Bob Barr voted for the 'patriot act'
The following is an exchange with Barr supporter 'BillyDee' on why Bob Barr voted for the 'patriot act.'
On June 6th, 2008 docholladay says:
Barr VOTED FOR THE PATRIOT ACT AND THE IRAQ WAR. That makes him an enemy of liberty, and no amount of 'spin' or apologitics will make that go away.
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He voted for the Patriot Act in order to water it down
On June 6th, 2008 BillyDee says:
He voted for it, because that was the only way he could get on the committee to water it down: It was going to pass anyway, without his vote, so that was the rational thing to do. He should be commended and thanked.
By the way, I'm glad you like my quote. I'm very quotable aren't I?
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On June 6th, 2008 docholladay says:
Yes, quotable alright..... so was Hitler and Stalin. To say Barr or ANYONE should be thanked for voting for a piece of leglistation that is one of the worst assults on freedom in American history is like saying that Hitler should be thanked for the holocost. Who knows..... some other 'worse' tyrant might have come along and killed even more Jews if not for Hitler. You are beyond reason.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
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You don't get it do you?
On June 6th, 2008 BillyDee says:
It was going to pass anyway, because it had overwhelming support. His one vote didn't cause it to pass. Rather, his one vote allowed him to alter it to make it less restrictive of liberty.
You apparently have no concept of rationality. If the goal is to maximize liberty in our society, then you do what reason requires to bring about a freer society. Before you take an action, you ask yourself if it is going to increase liberty, if so, then you do it. It's that simple.
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On June 6th, 2008 docholladay says:
So why did Dr. Paul vote "NO"? Is Ron Paul wrong? He just isn't that cunning or smart? I'd really like to hear why his voting NO was such a irrational thing to do. I'll be eagerly awaiting your answer.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
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I don't know the details
On June 6th, 2008 BillyDee says:
but, if he had the opportunity to get on the committee to water down the Act by voting yes, then that's what he should have done. He possibly could have brought it into accordance with the Constitution. Yes, it is possible for Paul to act irrationally at times, as it is for all humans.
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On June 6th, 2008 docholladay says:
How, exactly, could the 'patriot act' be brought into accordance with the Constitution? I want a specific explanation, no bullsh#t runaround... Please... oh wise one, how?
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
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On June 6th, 2008 BillyDee says:
removing the unconstitutional elements of it.
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On June 6th, 2008 docholladay says:
Which elements ARE Constitutional? If you removed all the unconstitutional elements, you'd have a blank sheet of paper.... OR, you could just vote "NO" like Dr. Paul did. C'mon. Get specific, Billy Dee. Which parts of the patriot act shoud be kept?
I'm still waiting on an answer......
Sensible argument
Barr got the sunset provisions put in it. If he didn't agree to vote yes he wouldnt have been able to do this.
Only sensible to YOU
Only sensible to YOU 'BillyDee'. You might as well quit changing user names.... it doesn't fool anyone.
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN