Unemployment up and farmers can't find labor? Perhaps this could be another reason for food price hikes.
APPLETON, N.Y. — Scores of Jim Bittner’s cherry trees are now just heaps of roots and sticks, piled in his fields here along Route 18. Some of the branches lying on the ground are dotted with small blossoms, the season’s earliest evidence that sweet cherries were on their way. But for Mr. Bittner, having sweet cherries would have meant hiring someone to prune the trees and harvest the fruit, and he was not sure that he could do it this year. So he cut his trees down.
“We always assumed we could find the labor we would need,” said Mr. Bittner, who has managed Singer Farms since 1991. “We’re not making that assumption anymore.”



















bump, i'm hungry
bump, i'm hungry
Farmers can't find labor
There are thousands of non-violent inmates in jails all over the country - put them to work pruning and picking fruit and vegetables. It wouldn't hurt them to contribute.
Hey, they've got all those subsidies to keep them afloat...
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I said, where is my 40 acres and mule, man!
Ethanol is made from corn because the corn producing corporations have strong lobbyists. Sugarcane produces 8 times the amount of ethanol per acre, hemp isn't quite as good as sugarcane, but it is an easy crop to grow. I know, say hemp and the first thing to come to mind is get high, but as a non-drinker and non pot smoker my product would be in no danger. These are just a few crops that could be produced by small farmers. They could even pay their taxes with ethanol instead of gold. But that is another issue.
Where's my 40 acres and mule?
Small farms can produce more than just a single product, especially in warmer climates. Trees produce fruit, natural fertilizer and wood, monoculture farming and mechanized farming have never, I repeat, never ever been able to match the productivity of an acre of land cared for by animal and manual labor. Bigger isn't always better. This is why we had the Civil war, plantations were self sufficient and the war had nothing to do with slavery, since we are all slaves of the State now. What freedom did the decendents of the slaves acheive?
As the Amish say, why would we want a tractor, it doesn't produce fertilizer.
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Food has everything to do with civil rights . . .
From the above post: "Trees produce fruit, natural fertilizer and wood, monoculture farming and mechanized farming have never, I repeat, never ever been able to match the productivity of an acre of land cared for by animal and manual labor." Very, very important.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the Ron Paul movement and message. The neocons are using the excuse of feeding world hunger, and sold off American Industrial Farms to do it . . . but in reality . . . they cause the starvation by seizing farm lands in the name of progress.
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He needs to pay $11 an hour and he could have hired someone. To cut them down is unreal. If he does not have the money to pay real wages and put ads in the paper he deserves to go under.
They were 30 year old cherry trees... end of productive life...
See my entries below with the link to the full article. The snippet above does NOT tell anywhere near the whole story, all you are getting is the reporter's spin.
Bring back the small farmer, that is what this country needs.
I see where you are coming from Kevin, it does make sense, and perhaps our educating people to start planting their own food will liberate us from being dependent on corporate farmers. We don't need immigrants to pick our food for us, nor is there any job that an American won't do.
Of course we should be able to produce on our own land, there is enough of it to go around if we had fair farming rules. Can't keep giving corporation tax cuts and subs, if this were to happen small farmers would pick up the slack, not every one wants to work behind a desk.
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Now imagine family farms,
Now imagine family farms, small ones, producing ENERGY.
Interesting isn't it?
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This is actually good for the family farm
Most small farms are operated by families. The farms that are hurt most by immigration are corprate farms. Take away the money and Corp like monsanto lose interest. Bye Bye corp farms hello large families getting their farms back. This is good for America. Its not good for the world but this is what we get catching the worlds fish for them instead of teaching them to fish. We have waisted so much money on world endevours its not even funny.
It wouldn't take a war budget . . .
to assist peoples around the world to be self sufficient. We are setting the example for the world. Legalize drugs and take back the family farms!
That effort alone will finish the neocons off.
With all our communications, all that needs to be done, is for Paris HIlton to declare she loves farming, and all the sheeple will follow. Actually, to educate people about better food choice and exercise and to appreciate orchards and crops are just as important as informing all about the freedom movement.
New Orchards for Old...
Around here we have a "pick-it-yourself" farm (part pick... part commercial) very similar to the Singer Farms mentioned in the article. The recently razed a huge amount of acreage that was formerly cherry (and some apple) trees... mainly because the trees were not producing. But instead of replanting, they brought in the dozer, built streets and put up a bunch of McMansions... name of the new subdivision: "The Orchards" (very ironic because there are NO fruit trees anymore... unless the homeowners choose to plant some).
But conversely, there are three small-scale "organic" farms around that during the recent years have begun planting several entirely NEW orchards of fruit trees. Smaller fields (couple of acres each) with more (different) types of trees, rather than 40 acres of single-varieties of apples.
So the large volume operations are maybe closing down (or going automated), but we're getting back a lot more small operations.
Automated fruit growers are volume producers whose output is destined for "factory food" anyway (like WalMart bakery & other junk "food").
Local growers will produce seasonal stuff for consumption locally. Downside is that the price of fruit will probably go up a bit -- upside is that the quality of the fruit will likely improve even more. (Most of the shipped in fruit is rather ghastly in taste anyway).
And personally, with a several apple and pear trees on my own property it doesn't affect me one way or another -- as it is, I give away bushels full every year to friends and neighbors -- and even still there are probably more falls than fruit I actually harvest.
We see that crap here in Riverside too
The only difference is that it's the citrus trees. But they leave enough of them on the perimeter to create the illusion of the old groves.
My own place still has some of the century-old grove trees and I manage them diligently, and they produce oranges and lemons to die for. I will not cut them down, no freaking way!
When useful agriculture gives way to housing development, something is wrong.
Every home should have their own garden, and urban farmscaping is the wave of the future as the food prices continue to go up.
Oh there is worse... the old Pabst farms
Which were VAST tracts (over 1000 acres) of excellent "bottom-land" -- AND the surrounding area -- all containing some of the absolute BEST DIRT and some of the most productive farm land in the entire state of Wisconsin.
What does it have on it now? So-called "upscale" subdivisions of "mini-estates" plus a bunch of mini-malls, and HUGE distribution centers (Target, etc).
And it's all being sold as somehow "environmental" and part of "conservation."
http://www.pabstfarms.com...
Sickening.
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This is what forums are all about. By sharing snaps shots we get a better idea of how the beast really looks.
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Biofuels are a threat to the
Biofuels are a threat to the corporate owners of the media (mostly Big Oil).
Note all the negative Press ethanol has generated in the past two years. Almost all of it has been alarmism about global food shortages.
What is popularly termed "bio-diesel" (actually common vegetable oil, burned in diesel engines) is a terrific threat to the petroleum industry if its use becomes widespread. It is far more practical than Ethanol and can be made from soybeans, peanuts, canola, and many other sources. Farmers would be able to grow their own fuel. It would be an agrarian revolution.
The price of fuel has risen high enough that bio-diesel is already a practical alternative.
The best way to nip that in the bud, in my opinion, is to create a phony food shortage that is trumpeted by the media as a catastrophic threat to the human race.
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Partially true
What isn't being reported by the MSM is the advances in enzymes that break down cellulostic items into ethanol. Those cellulostic items are things like switchgrass, weeds, and even old wood.
Corn was turned to first for ethanol because it was tried in the past and is seen as the easiest to convert.
Yep, there's money in those old broken down barns, shacks, and fallen trees!
Clean up America, and make energy at the same time!
These and other energy tech info are avaialbel at terradialy.com and their sibling sites.
I think it's because ...
... farmers got too spoiled exploiting illegal immigrants for so long. I believe they got too comfortable and now they are hurting. It's thier fault for not following the law in the first place. It's a pretty bad situation now for sure.
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What happened? Did they
What happened? Did they suddenly start enforcing the Immigration Laws?
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When American farmers get
When American farmers get rid of the "pay $1.50/hour" mentality they will find laborers. Farmers now days run the farm like a corporation, if they dont make a million dollars off a crop they consider it a failure. All the "good" farmers got robbed by the govt and had their land and homes sold off to some parasitic money changers. No it isnt the farmers fault for whats going on, our govt gave us all the shaft.
so true so true
so true so true
No fruit farmer...
would cut down his his entire orchard of trees simply because "he was not sure" he would be able to hire sufficient help for a single season -- "someone to prune the trees and harvest the fruit."
While pruning and harvesting of the fruit is obviously important, the trees will not DIE or need to be cut down if they are only partially pruned or partially harvested; nor indeed if they are allowed to go wild for a year or two.
An orchard of productive fruit trees takes years to plant and grow to maturity, only a fool would destroy such an orchard on the status of a single season ore two. Ergo there must be other reasons. Either the majority of the trees in the orchard were old and at or near the end of their productive life (in which case the additional help would not be worthwhile, the additional pruning and the meager harvest would not be worth the ROI) -- OR (more likely) he has other plans for the property (sale and/or development).
This article is not telling the whole story.
Since the "Singer Farms" website is still up, and still promotes the "U-Pick Cherries" -- apparently they have not destroyed their entire orchard (perhaps only one old portion of it -- the farm having been around since 1915 -- and the reporter decided to selectively quote the farmer and add his own "spin," I'm surprised it didn't also include something about "climate change" as a secondary reason for him cutting down the trees.)
I agree; news media
I agree; news media deception.
The media is down on farming now and wants to encourage a belief in widespread, catastrophic global food shortages. That is not to say that there won't be widespread, catastrophic global food shortages in our future, but we aren't having them now.
I can tell you exactly why the media is doing this, but to believe me you'll have to understand who owns the media.
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Aha, as I thought... 30 year old trees.
Found the complete article:
http://www.nytimes.com/20...
Of note is the caption right under the lead picture:
So it was an OLD orchard of cherry trees, it was only 25 acres (< 5 percent of his total acreage). BTW the typical life span of "sweet" type cherry trees is between 15 and 20 years (cf http://www.hort.purdue.ed... ) maybe a few years longer in ideal conditions. So these trees were well beyond their expected END of their productive life; and this orchard was going to need to be cut down within a year or two anyway.
And apparently they have been making these plans for a while... its a business change decision (i.e. one of ROI -- not that he could NOT have found workers... just that he couldn't at the wages he wants to pay).
It's not so much that he decided to cut down this orchard (it was time to cut it down anyway) as it is a decision on whether he will replant it with cherry trees again... or something else:
The problem apparently is that OTHER FARMS have adapted to using more machinery and other automated processes for harvesting, and the ones who do not cannot compete any longer (in truth were it not for the falsely low wages of illegal immigrants, this probably would have happened years earlier). This is a story of someone NOT wanting to change, to upgrade or otherwise invest in his business in a way that would improve the ROI, instead being overly dependent upon cheap (aka slave) labor.
No pity from me. Sweet cherries will probably go up in price if other orchards likewise switch crops -- once the price rises sufficiently, those orchards that remain will then be able to afford to pay reasonable wages and will be able to hire the workers needed.
This is simple BASIC economics folks. The immigrants just kept an unsustainable and inefficient operation (with old trees) going for a few more years.
Gotta get the whole story folks, AND some background, otherwise you're gonna get spun with stories like this.
Nice observation, when I
Nice observation, when I read the article I got the sense that he wasn't getting enough immigrant workers to the work for lower pay. I could be wrong.
Right, it's about "migrant
Right, it's about "migrant workers", i.e., illegal Mexican immigrants.
That's issue #1 being spun here. Curse those dastardly "principled conservatives", like Ron Paul, who want us to enforce Immigration Laws!
Issue #2 is "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! We don't have enough food anymore!" Can you guess why that's being spun?
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Where are those illegal aliens when you need them.
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