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Anti-Write-In-League urging people not to vote Ron Paul [UPDATED]

The Ron Paul for President 2008 grassroots campaign continues!

I see that the Anti-Write-In-League is hard at work even on Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty urging people not to vote for Ron Paul. That’s pretty pathetic.

Do you tell everyone you know not to vote for Ron Paul? Or just those on internet forums? Or is it just those on Ron Paul Revolution-oriented websites?

In the general election, write in Ron Paul for Liberty. Everything else is a wasted vote–after all, bipartisan black box Stalinist-style elections have corrupted the integrity of the vote. How can you be sure that your vote will be recorded accurately and “counted” in secret using proprietary software even if you vote for a ballot-qualified candidate in the general election? You can't.

My vote will have meaning. If it has meaning to you or if you disagree with my vote makes no difference to me. I will vote Ron Paul.

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Update 1: I urge everyone who supports Ron Paul and his Campaign for Liberty to pledge their support for writing-in Ron Paul in the general election at the following website: Write-in Ron Paul as well as by signing up at Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.

Also, I found something very ironic when I did a search of Google for "write in Ron Paul": http://write-inronpaul.com/. I just about couldn't believe my eyes when I clicked that link on Google. I think that you'll find the results very interesting and telling of this "in-fighting" over our individual Constitutional rights to vote for whomever we so choose.

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wow

who the hell is this wninja guy? 'There is no freedom without representative government'?!

You need to go do some reading, junior. Wow.

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

Nice misquote. I never said

Nice misquote. I never said there is no "freedom" without representative government. I said their is no liberty. You have freedom now, you just don't have liberty. Why don't you do some more reading?

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
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OK Change of mind here.

I apparently will be writing in Ron Paul regardless of furthering the Campaign for Liberty or not. After a little more research into the Constitution Party and uncovering the heavy religious smog within, there is no way in hell I will vote Baldwin and potentially treat myself to the misery of overzealous religious people in power to shove God yet even further up my ass. As for Barr, he never was an option and he is a dirtbag politician just trying to schmooze our Ron Paul support. Here is the proof

http://www.write-inronpau...

write in ron paul link....

Don't be so afraid of other people's ideas!

As a movement the first order should be educating people...

We're 5 months from the election and it's ok to have more than one idea.

Have some faith my friend. There's two things you need to a great idea...having a great idea is one... the other is having the respect of others.

To get respect you have to give respect. And this is the time to hash out ideas... Let's welcome all ideas, if you want to discuss them... this is the place! Let's take the time to hear each other out... I'm sure they have valid points to why they are doing what theyre doing.

I know many have been conditioned by the media to immediately attack ideas that they disagree with but lets use this opportunity to learn how to become Americans again... to respect other people's right to have ideas and express them. I'm a "reborn American" since I discovered Ron Paul but it takes some time to realize what that means... we need to respect each other and remember it's the government that we should remain critical of.

Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Operation Daily Paul"
on revolutionbroadcasting.com
or visit www.mikeandjake.com

Can someone please explain

Can someone please explain this to me? The poster writes:

"In the general election, write in Ron Paul for Liberty. Everything else is a wasted vote–after all, bipartisan black box Stalinist-style elections have corrupted the integrity of the vote. How can you be sure that your vote will be recorded accurately and “counted” in secret using proprietary software even if you vote for a ballot-qualified candidate in the general election? You can't."

How is this problem somehow solved or mitigated by writing in Ron Paul? Is it because we know the vote won't be counted any ways?

I understand the rest of the argument, I just don't get this part.

Vote count

All votes at one time were write in votes,it was simple write your choice on a paper and it was counted.Then came voting machines and voter fraud and election manipulation.Stalin made the statement that it's not who you vote for that counts,but who counts the votes.The meaning being regardless of how people vote, how those votes are counted determines the outcome of the election.So by writing in Ron Paul whether the vote is counted or not at least to yourself (the only one that matters) in the face of great adversity you did the right thing.

State by state rules

This is a link to rules of most of the states (these are basic rules) there are a few other rules that may apply.
http://mfoster.com/misc/w...

Writing in Ron Paul

I will only write in Ron Paul for President and my vote will not be wasted!!!

Oh yea, I will be writing-in Ron Paul

on my absentee ballot.

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Lisa C.

“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”

--Ron Paul

Join the rEVOLution here: http://www.campaignforlib...

Look at this link...

http://write-inronpaul.co...

...and tell me what you think...

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“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams

your vote is never lost

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”
~ John Quincy Adams

You don't know the meaning of the word "principle"

"Better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness." - Confucius

"Slight not what's near, through aiming at what's far." - Euripides

"Those who cannot forgive others, break the bridge over which themselves must pass." - Confucius

We can never solve our significant problems from the same level of thinking we were at when we created the problems. - Albert Einstein

Whenever "A" attempts by law to impose his moral standard on "B," "A" is most likely a scoundrel. - H.L. Mencken

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression. - Thomas Paine

Mistrust those in whom the urge to punish is strong. - Nietzsche

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

Write in site

I just went to one of the write-in links and got a Bob Barr page,I was suprised.But I did get through on the other link and left them this information.
From Texas election legal 2008
Write-in candidates file a declaration of write-in candidacy with the Secretary of State. The declaration may not be filed earlier than July 27, 2008, or later than 5:00 p.m. of August 26, 2008. The declaration must also be accompanied with information about the vice-presidential running mate and the names and addresses of the presidential electors. Written-signed statements of each individual’s consent to be a vice-presidential candidate or elector must accompany the application. Texas has 34 presidential electors. Forms may be obtained from the Secretary of State’s office.

Also there is a protocol for writing in a candidate when you do.......The name of the person first and then the office to be elected to.

Incomplete list. At least 7 states don't permit write-in at all

For example, that list doesn't mention anything about Oklahoma, which doesn't permit any write in votes, and has the worst ballot access laws of any state:

http://www.okvoterchoice....

Great! you looked up one

Great! you looked up one state! Only 49 more to go!

Wait let me save you some time. Because you'll never circumvent this rule.

In some states the loser of a primary cannot be a candidate for write-in.

The irony in all this is that you see the problem right in front of you and refuse to acknowledge it. Every time you think about how to get Ron in the whitehouse you are faced with it, yet still manage to overlook it. As if it's just that way and suppose to be that way.

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

Here's your 49

State by state rules(basic rules).
http://mfoster.com/misc/w...

Yeah, I've posted that very

Yeah, I've posted that very same list several times. You know it's not complete right? And did you bother to read the second rule?

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

The second rule

The second rule only applies to 4 states

How many states does it take

How many states does it take to filibuster a write-in? More than 4?

Commission on Presidential Debates - http://www.debates.org/pa...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

what are you going to so

what are you going to so when Ron Paul endorses Chuck baldwin?

Will you still write in Ron Paul? i think I would vote for Baldwin.

I would consider it...

I would strongly consider an endorsement by Ron Paul for a Presidential candidate, but I don't think that I could bring myself to vote for Barr. But regardless, I would make up my mind independently, similarly to how I made up my mind to support Ron Paul for President. I would try to make the best choice according to my own principles, judgment and conscience. In fact, that is why I will be writing in Ron Paul--because of my own principles, judgment and conscience.

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Sorry to tell you this but i

Sorry to tell you this but i think you are weak on all three accounts.

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Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

Thanks

Thanks for trying to tell us the rules, so we can make choices that count. It may not do some any good, but every light helps.
Being a rebel should be balanced with being effective, when possible. I think there are options not disqualified we can live with, and I guess we can look up the options in our state ahead of time...
I'm OK not making up somebody in my head to vote for, so I guess I'm OK looking at the world and our constitutional options, since this is a constitutional "revolution". I'm strictly against the mental slavery tricks that say don't vote for a good choice, because you can only choose 1 of 2 evils. We do have choices, and even if we look at the rules, we're not limited to 2 choices. Not just voting for Ron Paul means work, and actually examining the available options. Darn!

You're Welcome

Would I be a patriot if kept it to myself?

We know the systems rigged. Even if Dr.Paul ran 3rd party he would get railroaded down the line by some obscure law in some bassackward state. We (or at least some of us) already know since he lost in the primaries he cannot be a candidate for write-in.

Today's question isn't about who or how to vote. It's about how to break the two party chain. If we cannot break the chain right here and right now. We will be bound to it for an additional 4 to 8 years! I'm afraid we don't have that kind of time. An opportunity like this comes around once in a.... never!

Now we could all vote for our "principles" and write-in Paul giving the Presidency to McBama. Or we could be part of the biggest upset since Lincoln and restore order and confidence to the election process.

There are a number of milestones that if they are reached could be instrumental in upsetting the establishments choice for the POTUS. Write-in is not part of the equation. Let us continue to follow Ron Paul's lead if you cannot trust sound advice. I'm sure Ron Paul has no intention of writing himself in. Let us assume he's not lying because that would be a terrible thing to base a strategy on in more ways than I care to mull over.

Ron Paul is openly supportive of both Barr and Baldwin and even spoke out before Congress on behalf of Nader. Why? Because he understands that National Ballot Access is a necessary function of representative government. Why should we attack any of these people? They are not representative of our oppression. Instead we should be helping them fight those who oppress us all. We should be trying to break the floodgate of support for all three of these alternate candidates and fire them at McBama like bullets from a gun.

Did you know that in a 5-way race a little over 20% is a majority vote? Be patient, stay the course to September. Even if we are blessed with a miracle we still have to overcome the general election and the DNC machine. For the most part the strategy is the same win or lose. Because no matter what happens, in order to win the oppositions candidate has to be completely overshadowed.

...and while he (Obama) should be under assault as we speak. We are all too busy bickering over dilutions of grandeur and speculation.

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

Because of how you expressed it and

put the word principles in quotes...makes me think you don't have any! You phrase it as if there is no such thing as principles. So what if we write Ron Paul in? You say if we write him in, Obama gets the Presidency! If we vote for Barr (which I will not do) or Baldwin...do you honestly think Obama or McCann won't get in??? I do have principles; voting for the lesser of evils is not an option...
Ron Paul has not dropped out; he has only stopped actively campaigning...and it gets SICKENING day in/day out hearing all this NON-support of Ron Paul, here on a RON PAUL site...when the convention hasn't been held yet...

What's sickening is that you

What's sickening is that you assume Paul is lying about his candidacy. I truly hope Paul gets the nomination. But I'm not holding my breath. The only thing I fear more than that is a McCain/Obama presidency. If there is a chance no matter how remote to keep these two out of power then that's where my conscience is aligned. I quoted principles because most of you idol worshipers have no idea what the word even means. It's just a word you hide behind to make yourself feel comfortable.

"The only thing evil needs to gain a foothold, is for good men to do nothing."

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Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

the feeling is mutual, I'm sure

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You wouldn't believe it if I told you...

I urge everyone who supports Ron Paul and his Campaign for Liberty to pledge their support for writing-in Ron Paul in the general election at the following website: Write-in Ron Paul 2008 as well as by signing up at Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.

Also, I found something very ironic when I did a search of Google for "write in Ron Paul": http://write-inronpaul.com/. I just about couldn't believe my eyes when I clicked that link on Google. I think that you'll find the results very interesting and telling of this "in-fighting" over our individual Constitutional rights to vote for whomever we so choose.

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Looks like they have honed into

Every aspect of Ron Paul supporters to me.

Empty threats to the GOP is

Empty threats to the GOP is not an ultimatum. Your principles mean nothing because there is no voter confidence.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

I suspect that the polls

I suspect that the polls were rigged, I believe that if things were reported accurately, Ron Paul would be so far ahead right now the other candidates would just give up. I also believe that we have been given only bad choices from both major parties in order to force their ways upon us. I refuse to be manipulated.. When I first started thinking about this, I started thinking I just wouldn't even vote, then I decided I will vote for Ron Paul, if I am allowed to have the vote counted, and if not, I will vote for the candidate who truly believes in and respects the Constitution. The reason I doubt the votes are counted accurately, is because I was watching the reports as the came in, it seemed like when the votes would reach a certain percentage, they would then drop. However, just when I thought it was for sure and certain it was all rigged, the later states did better in their primaries-so even though things look mighty suspicious, I will vote, to know I have given my best shot at freedom. Unlike the other post, I would like to ask the third party candidates to all drop out if the unforeseen does happen, and Ron Paul wins the nomination, rather than request him to endorse someone and all the others drop out-no one else is going to win as much as support as Ron Paul, we might as well face it, he has truly won hearts by standing up for the truth, which our country is starved to death for. Also, I really wish people would take to heart what Ron Paul has said several times we should do, to get more involved at the local levels campaigning for those who are committed to make a stand for our constitutional rights. We may not win a president we believe in for this election, but by getting more active at the local levels, it will help us out tremendously. ( I am not saying that we shouldn't be active in helping spread the word about the third party presidential candidates who we believe in, but just that we shouldn't focus too much energy on that and forget about the rest of it.)Especially important, we need to try to get Congressman elected who support Ron Paul's ideals-I remember hearing him say if he had even 2 or 3 more people in Congress who stand up for our rights it would help out a lot.

polls create opinion, but don't predict it

Statistics is the easiest science to lie with. If not, it's up there.
The world is made up of so many tricks, it's like an organism with antibodies sometimes. All the unconscious desires of people to not deal with the truth create issues for those that wake up.

Dude, every religion has a name for it. "Trapped in sin, the dream of the world, the trappings of desire", etc. Some truths are universal. At this point, it just means there is a lot of ignorance out there, and in an Orwellian way, the world is set up to defend the delusion.

If you stand up for other's rights to speak, and listen and even correct them while really trying to help, you are likely to get the same courtesy one day. I know it's not guaranteed, but you make the world more likely like that.

OK, listen a minute.

I'm not going to sit here and advocate for Barr. I can't stand the guy, and I won't vote for him. I'm not going to advocate for anyone else on this, either.

BUT...look past the man and look at the system.

Rather than go bananas about writing in Dr. Paul, you need to go read your state's election laws. Almost all of them will say that a write-in vote will not be counted unless that candidate files as a write-in. Dr. Paul has not done that in any state, so any write-in votes for him are wasted.

That's not trashing anyone here, that's not trashing Dr. Paul, either. That's just how the system works, whether we like it or not.

And others have raised the valid point that it's the message, not the person. Dr. Paul himself said this repeatedly.

So focus on the message. That's what the CFL is all about. The delegate hunt continues, undoubtedly, but for the general election, a write-in vote for Dr. Paul is, at this point, meaningless.

Meaningless to whom?

The man who votes based on his principles knows that his vote has meaning. It does not matter to him what the (slavish) laws of his state say. If more people voted based on their perception of what real freedom meant, and who would help them begin to achieve it, instead of voting based on their perception of what the 'system' will allow and what the 'law' says is permissible, then, perhaps, we could move that much closer to liberty.

Telling these people their votes are meaningless will not help, for the simple reason that they don't believe you.

And neither do I.

Ron Paul 2008
Ron Paul 2012

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

Meaningless as in not counted

If you want to send a mesage of support for Dr. Paul, THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.

You can vote your principles all you want in the election, and I encourage you to do so, BUT the system has its say as well and we have to function within it in order to change it. Writing in ANY candidate who has not filed as a write-in will not be recognized by the system.

Believe me not, that's fine, but I challenge you to disprove what I said about the system. You can't because it's the truth and you know it!

That's not what I'm trying to do.

What I'm trying to do is help everybody realize that the system is fucked and we need to stop being led along by it! If you have laws in your state that preclude the counting of any vote for any office, those laws are wrond and need to be challenged by THE PEOPLE!! The politicians will not do it because these laws benefit them. I'm tired of taking it up the ass from 'the system'. I will not be restrained by it when I am not harming anyone. If 10 or 15 million of us acted this way, then the whole concept of government would be an issue for debate, not 'the system says this' and 'the system says that'.

Fuck that. I don't want to play anymore. If Dr. Paul endorses, fine, I vote where he endorses.

If he doesn't, I vote Ron Paul. I vote principle. Telling me THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT will not make me believe you. I believe in freedom. I believe in the honesty and integrity of Ron Paul. I do NOT believe in 'the system'.

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

Write-in votes and 1st amendment

I agree with you even though most people in these forums don't.I think that the 1st amendment gives you your right to cast your vote for the write in of your choice whether or not it's counted is the Governments fault.Do these people who claim that it's a wasted vote think that voting for someone else has any more merit or that in the grand scheme of things it will be counted.The only reason I wanted to place a vote at all this year is because of what I heard from Dr. Paul.I do however wish Dr. Paul would consider filing for write in status in the states that allow it.If we truly believe that every vote counts....then we must be allowed to do so wherever we can get the votes.If he's on the ballot fine...but if he's not why would I vote for someone who has even less of chance than Dr. Paul of pulling this together.

"I do however wish Dr. Paul

"I do however wish Dr. Paul would consider filing for write in status in the states that allow it."

He won't, you know why? Because that's not what you're suppose to do. Why would he reinforce your supposition if he thinks there are more productive means?

You people who have plan based on the idea that Ron Paul is lying about his candidacy somehow. Need to stick to the facts and get your heads straight.

Your posture as of now should be no different that that of Paul's going into September. Period

Claiming write-in is just an empty threat to the GOP that's why they poopooed on us. Right now while you're all fighting for troll supremacy. The opposition is calculating vote percentages. The GOP doesn't want our support and they can't win without it. No secret there. The only other outside threat to the duopoly is a 3rd party candidate. But one is not enough is takes at least two because there are two opposing sides who's votes must be split in order to be effective. Otherwise Obama claims the prize and we all continue to get screwed.

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

Everyone's got one

Everybody seems to be trying to calculate voting for everyone else.Don't vote for this person Obama might get in.Don't write in a vote because it doesn't count.I vote for myself as I think for myself.And all the posturing will not make me not write in Dr. Paul if I have to. Chuck has even less of a chance of doing anything (even though he is of the Constitutional party) and has similar views to Ron Paul he is not Ron Paul.He has not been a ten term Congressman from Texas with a near flawless record.Bob Barr is trying to capitalize on Ron Paul's following.McCain and Obama both are agents of the CFR and could never get a glance from me.I think there is a strong pack of votes in the write in if it is filed.There should be several million votes alone from Texas,who does count write in votes if they are of filed status.And casting a vote that isn't counted is still my right to do so,just as it's my right not to vote for any puppet candidates.All votes were write in at one time,'til the voting machine appeared along with voter fraud and election manipulation.

I vote for myself as I think

I vote for myself as I think for myself.And all the posturing will not make me not write in Dr. Paul if I have to.

If you have to? What's that mean?

I'm not sure you do think for yourself just yet. As with anyone who doesn't really see what's at stake here. Ron won't file the paperwork to be a write-in. There is a reason for that so why do you hang on to it so desperately? Are you thinking for yourself? Have you even been listening to word Ron Paul has said? I suggest you not follow a strategy pegging Ron as a lier. You will only be further disappointed when he again fails to do what you wish him to do because you fail to understand his motive.

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

So you say

That's what you say,I don't think you speak for Ron Paul or his supporters.I think you need to go to the I wanna vote for Nobody campaign as your links suggest.This is a Ron Paul forum.

Ron Paul speaks for me and supports my position aswell.

I promote these issues because they are a necessary function of representative government. Without that you have nothing. If NOTA were on the ballot we could all vote NOTA and have a new election with RP and no Obama or McCain. You could make the argument that they would not have tried to field McCain as the nominee knowing he would not garner enough support to meet voter approval.

You can try to bash me for this position all you want to. To be against the position is the same as saying you don't want a choice. You just want the crap choices you are given, so you can bitch about it later. Are you then against restoring voter confidence? Are you against having a clean and just election process. Well when you poopoo on NOTA that is exactly what you are doing. NOTA is about the voters right to withhold consent. Something you better wish you had the option of.

If you write-in Paul you will be validating your consent no matter who takes office. Because to write-in Paul is failing to make a choice.

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

Double speak

Sounds like 1984 double speak to me.Ron Paul speaks for me but don't vote for him.Vote for nobody because then you are represented by somebody.Vote for nobody because they count those votes.

Go log back in as JKap

Perhaps if you had better than a double digit IQ you'd understand. This is bigger than Ron Paul. Have you not listened to what he is saying? There is no liberty without representative government. There is no representative government without representation. period

American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...

And how is a write-in voted that is not counted going to...

...change a broken system?

It's not.

You change the system by getting into it and fixing it from within, not byb complaining from the outside or by throwing votes into the shredder (thanks, Khomar, that's an apt description!).

Hasn't the R3VOLution at the very least made that clear in the attempts to fix the GOP from within?

Are you still axle-wrapped around the person and not the message?

10-15 million write-in votes not counted will just be added to the 150 million who already don't vote. They won't be listed as "Ron Paul write-ins", they'll be counted as "not voting". I'm sorry you can't see that.

I understand that my principles

have no meaning for you. However, they are still mine and I will continue to live by them. I will teach my children about consistency of character. I will teach my children about real freedom, so they will want it when they grow up if they don't have it already.

I am 'axle-wrapped' around the idea of principles. As in not compromising them.

And I'm sorry that you can't see that all we, as Ron Paul voters (assuming Ron does not endorse Chuck Baldwin), will all carry bumper stickers that say 'DON'T BLAME ME, I VOTED FOR RON PAUL'.

Why must you force feed me your idea that my vote won't count? I'll know what I did, and everybody who knows me will know what I did, and everybody driving behind me on the freeway will know what I did, and you can bet your ass that most everyone will know what the next dictator (President) does with his 4 years in office. And who will look smart then? Who will the blind one be?

I think we may just have to agree to disagree on this one, guys.

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

What I Don't Understand

I understand your desire to demonstrate convictions and strength of character in continuing your devotion to Ron Paul. It is admirable.

However, what I do not understand is why you will not consider supporting Chuck Baldwin. His views are very close to Ron Paul's. A vote for him would be very much the same as a vote for Ron Paul.

Or maybe another way to ask the question, what about a vote for Chuck Baldwin would betray your convictions of the ideals and philosophies of Ron Paul? Come 2012 if Ron Paul is not running for president (which he probably will not), who will you vote for then?

Here is the Problem

I respect your decision to follow your convictions, but think about this for a minute. Your write-in vote will not be counted -- at all. You might as well write Ron Paul's name on a scratch piece of paper and toss it immediately into the paper shredder. Writing in Ron Paul will send no message, at least nothing that anyone else will ever hear about. Since it is not counted, you will have as much impact on other people as screaming out in a sound-proofed room.

If you must write-in Ron Paul for your own personal convictions, that is fine, but please understand that it will make absolutely no impact on other people and their understanding of the brokenness of the system. However, if you are able to find a candidate that shares Ron Paul's view that will be on the ballot (and therefore counted), you vote will carry an impact that other people will be able to see. They will see that Chuck Baldwin or Barr received 10% of the vote (hopefully much higher!), and they will understand that there is a growing movement that they might be able to join. This will have an impact on others.

Again, a write-in vote is all about you and what you need to do. If you are truly concerned about making a statement that others will see, you will need to look for other options.

My whole life is about me and what I need to do, Khomar.

If more people understood what this really meant, we might not have this problem.

Everybody needs to do what is best for their own self.

My children are the part of myself that will outlive me. I will vote for Ron Paul because it is the right thing to do, and because it sends a message of consistency of character to my children. The only exception to this is if Ron endorses.

I believe in Ron Paul. I will show it, and make sure everybody knows it.

And the next time around, after 4 more years od slavery, tyranny, and government theft of our values, the ones who laughed at me and said 'Why don't you vote for a winner?' will remember me. And maybe they will be inspired to make that selfish choice, as well.

You do what you want. I understand the virute of selfishness. And I will do what I want. When it's over, I'll have a bumper sticker that says

'DON'T BLAME ME, I VOTED FOR RON PAUL'.

And in the long run, that will say it all.

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'