How do we vote now?

I think Ralph Nader is a fine alternative for Ron Paul supporters.

Paul speaks against BIG GOVERNMENT. And contrary to what news bites and propaganda would have you believe, Nader is also against big government. Consider the enormously bloated military budget which accounts for nearly half of the government's total operating budget. This is a tremendous waste of taxpayer money going to imperial wars based on lies.

And as part of this war, we have more BIG GOVERNMENT in the form of citizen surveillance. The PATRIOT Act (which Barr VOTED FOR) grants the government unprecedented powers to watch over American citizens without the need to prove probable cause in the court system.

Nader is against big government when it is fraudulent, wasteful or illegal. He calls for end to the intrusive PATRIOT Act and a massive reduction in the military budget. He wants to put an end to the excess of corporate welfare and put and end to the intrusive, failing drug war.

Nader is against maximizing government and sees its role as simply protecting the rights and interests of citizens and society as a whole.

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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
http://www.gopetition.com...

Mccain, Obama, Barr, and Baldwin: McCain and Obama are NOT an option under any circumstances. Baldwin I think will not get the 10% needed to even get into the debates so that is a wasted vote. That leaves Barr. While I am NOT enthusiastic about Barr he is already polling around 6%. We, the Paul supporters could help get him to 10% so that he will get in the debates. This would infuriate the GOP establishment and would be their worst nightmare come true. In a 3 way race with Barr in the debates I think he can get 34%, especially if the price of fuel continues to rise and the cost of food and everything else along with it....Dr. Paul seems to be hinting that Barr would be a reasonable option. Based on these factors, as we stand today, I would be in the "reluctant Barr" camp. Although, we are a long way fom Novemeber 5th and events could occur that we cannot forsee. I think that whatever we do, we should all stick together to get the most impact possible. Writing in Dr. paul at this time seems a wasted vote as well and I believe that is the message he is sending. Let's wait and see.

Get them just to vote Yes or No in support of the Patriot Act, the Real Id Act, the Military Commissions Act.

Just the getting them to vote up or down is good enough to get people thinking. Even if the City council says (yes or no) do I as a citizen agree?

I am working inside the GOP and I am hoping Obama smashes McCain in the General Election, then republicans will start sounding like conservatives again.

Meanwhile, Barr will get my vote (yes I know he is a fraud) but that vote is just to again, slap the GOP.

Come 2012, having Obama as President will unite the GOP and many rank n file republicans will be saying our views. Lets just remember these republicans are fairwether "friends, who once given power again, will transform into Big Govt Republicans."

In Peace & Liberty,

Treg

I want the establishment to see millions of votes for Ron Paul, I can't in my heart vote for their manchurian candidates. I'm writing him in, no other choice.

I will continue to support the Ron Paul r3VOLution

and already began ACTIVELY supporting the Barr/Root campaign.

4 of us are already elected to non-partisan public offices in Lee County Florida and we are helping 4 more who will be on the November ballot.

http://JackTanner.net

Write-ins are not announced in PA, only the number of write-ins. For example, some people vote for their pet Fido, so that is not reported for obvious reasons.

As much as I want to write in Dr. Paul, I can't keep writing him in election after election. We are going to have to rally around someone who will profess to carry the torch for Dr. Paul and then hold his/her feet to the fire and make them keep their promises. No one would want to feel the wrath of an angry RP supporter : ). We will never find another RP, but I hope we can rally around someone soon.

to get a liberty minded third party candidate, Baldwin and/or Barr, in the upcoming debates. I've heard a polling of 15% will be necessary for this.
Baldwin is by far the Paulian purist. But the Constitution Party from what I understand never ends up on the ballot in all states and always polls less then the Liberterian Party.
Barr has his position problems but does have name recognition and a stronger political party to back him. The media will seek him out as the McCain spoiler while Baldwin will go totally unnoticed by the press. I think Barr will be the preferred candidate for defecting Republicans as evidenced by the announcement of Tom Delays wife who will be voting for Barr. Barr by far has a much better chance of making it into the debates.
Though he may not be perfect, Barr has my support and will get my vote.

there is no other choice.

My question is this; If Barr is so untrustworthy, why has Ron talked about him as a great collegue and friend? If we are so worried about his experience in the CIA, why do we love Michael Schuerer so much? If we are so concerned with spreading the message, why are we not supporting someone who can keep it in the national spotlight? I really don't get it folks. I don't really care who the man is, however, I do sense some sincerity in his speech. As for me, my friends, and my household, we will be supporting Barr financially and at the ballot box.

Just my two cents.

I think there is too much attention to the presidency. We need to go out and get involved in local politics as well. What good would it do to have Ron Paul as president or in the future to have a Ron Paul minded candidate as president if the mentality of the rest of the government remains the same. Sure to have the presidency would be a better way to spread the word, but there are over a million of us that voted for Ron Paul, I am sure many of you can run for local office and make a change, even if you have to become a Democrate or Republican to win. Get involved in the local parties and discuss and let the ideas be heard, they will stand on their own.
grant

1) Vote for Nader because he shares Paul's views on the war, foreign policy, our civil liberties. Problem with Nader: he has socialist leanings.
2) Vote for Barr because he SUPPOSEDLY shares Paul's views on the war, our foreign policy, our civil liberties. And, he is definitely a fiscal conservative. Problem with Barr: he's not trustworthy, especially with regard to his views on the Patriot Act and our military policy.
3) Vote for Baldwin because he shares Paul's views on just about everything. Problem with Baldwin: his chances of winning are less than the other two named so far.
4) Write in Ron Paul. Great idea if we can get enough people to do it. Problem with that: seems as if we have a few non CFR third/fourth/fifth party candidates to make that gesture unnecessary.
5) Write in "No Confidence." Great idea if we can get enough people to do it. Problem with that: seems as if w may have enough alternatives that, though not as good as Paul, are good "first steps."

Comparing Ron Paul and Bob Barr on the crucial issues of the day: http://thirdpartywatch.co...

with the Campaign for Liberty really kicks in! I had planned on still writing in Dr. Paul in my state (Pennsylvania) (if I had to). Then I came across a very disturbing article about PA write-ins being written-off (the link to the article is below). Anyway I immediately notified our local RP meetup...we have a meeting soon, will be discussing this issue and we will be taking action, trying to get this fixed. Perhaps others should research their states' voting laws and take action, if necessary.
http://www.pittsburghlive...

BTW, I am so thankful that there are RP supporters who understand "legalese"...when I start reading laws, my eyes start to cross...lol (Why is law language so complicated?)

LET THE CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY CONTINUE

Do what you must, I will do the same.. follow your consciousness

don't waste your vote on bad candidates...

Just do according to what you believe in... anything else is a waste

The only two constitutionalist choices are:

(1) Vote for Chuck Baldwin.

or

(2) Write in Ron Paul.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

Honestly, it is way too early to make a decision. Right now if I had to make a decision I would write in Ron Paul even if it didn't count. There are many of us that feel that way. BUT if Dr. Paul really thinks it is a bad idea to write his name in, he really needs to say, "Don't write my name in. You must vote for someone on the ballot" At that point I would vote for Chuck Baldwin. That's today, but tomorrow, or November it could be totally different. In the meantime, I will be trying to spread the message of the liberty foe THE LIBERTY CAMPAIGN.

Perhaps we should all vote for the worse possible candidate, someone who completely misrepresents our ideas. Let them get into office, install their programs and allow them to fail. Some people just don't want to believe until they get burnt. Like the Soviet Union, the state owned everything the people pretended to work and the state gave them money that was worthless. Since the U.S. government already owns most lands in our country most mineral rights and even if it isn't owned by the government it still has the power to tax it, so what is the difference. Sooner or later it will collapse.
grant

--Cliff, Sioux City, Iowa

I am going to put a #10 clothspin on my nose and vote for Bob Barr.

He voted for the Patriot Act, but he was the one that got the sunset clauses put in that piece of crap. If it wasn't for Barr, it would be permanent.

I realize he has not been in the choir very long, but he is singing our song....

Ron Paul said that he could do a lot of good.

I think that many of us have had an awakening and a clarification of our ideas over the last few years. I believe Barr is sincere in his conversion.

I won't vote for McCain or Obama. Writing in a candidate who is not running a write-in campaign will insure your vote is not counted. Staying home and not voting is equivilent to allowing the two party system to push you aside. Voting for either party is an endorsement of that candidate or party.

Barr's platform more closely represents my views than any of the others at this point. If another candidate were to more closely represent my views, I would vote for them instead.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791

on more than one occasion, cast the only vote for/against certain bills in Congressional votes.
He was the lone voice, or in some cases, with very few other Congressmen.

Some here might say that vote "didn't count" because RP's position didn't win, so he may as well have voted along with the group.

But, in reality, that vote counted MORE than all the others combined, because WE SAW the vote that stood for freedom.

Freedom will stand and be counted. no matter what odds stand against it. It doesn't need pragmatism to let it's sound ring thru the nation. If anything, pragmatism will muffle it. The sound must be clear as a bell ringing true, if it is to be accepted.