Improbable Collapse.
Posted June 14th, 2008 by sentinel
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have you seen this film ?
tons of rare footage and testimony of the 911 atrocity.
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For the record,
I'm a Truther. The most important question for Truthers is: How do we prevent this from happening again?
My answer: Abolish the Fed.
How do we do that? Make it impossible for the Fed to bribe politicians.
Now is the time for Direct Representation.
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Just watched it .....again
Nobody can argue with the science.
Controlled demolition.
Government coverup.
Inside job.
For those who can not see that by now or those who refuse to look at the evidence, there is no hope.
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"Don't make me come down there!" - GOD
Every single American
must view this. Richard Gage's 9/11 Blueprint and Loose Change along with it.
Ignorance is not an option. Ignorance is NOT bliss when tyranny comes.
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i believe
I've pretty much
given up trying to discuss this stuff anymore.
It's like, give it a mention, and if the people give a sheep answer, just leave them be. It'll be all over for them soon anyway. They just don't know it. And you can't warn them, because they won't listen.
I've learned that some people have the blinders on so tight, that there's no getting thru, and it's a waste of time trying.
Go on to somebody who has a chance.
The time is late.
I'm also one of "those" who disbelieves...
...the government's conspiracy theory about 9/11. However, there's also one aspect of alternate theories for which I've been unable to come up with a plausible hypothesis. Assume the three WTC buildings were brought down by controlled demolition. Why would the perpetrators make it look so obvious that that was the case? If these people were intelligent enough to concoct and carry out such an elaborate scheme, surely they could have foreseen that people would make the comparison and jump to certain conclusions. In most controlled demolition scenarios, there is a need to bring the building down neatly into its own footprint, in order to prevent damage to adjacent buildings, and/or facilitate removal of debris. In the case of the three WTC buildings, there was no such need. It would have been just as easy to make the buildings topple over sideways (instead of neatly imploding). In fact, making these things drop down onto a whole bunch of other buildings (killing a LOT more people) would seem to have worked more in their favor. People would have been even more freaked out and scared. And, had they done that, alternate conspiracy theories would have had a hard time gaining ANY traction. After all, if these demolitions were carried out by "terrorists" (or government agents, or both), I hardly think they would have been concerned about damaging other buildings or more loss of life. I have a hard time believing these were compassionate "terrorists." So.... WHY make it appear so much like controlled demolitions? Any thoughts?
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Ive thought about that too
why not just put the cutter charges on one side and cause a topple? THAT would have been more convincing at least on building 7. Take out the base on the side facing the towers so it toppled toward it. I used to love watching the controlled demo shows on television (ya dont see them anymore though) and when the firemen described seeing and hearing the "belt" of pop pop pop pop explosions going horizontally around the building my heart sank. Im convinced it was controlled demo- and noone will ever convince me otherwise. I cant say who did it-thats for an investigation to determine- I can sure say who benefitted from it though. Ive often wondered if the demo happened the way it did because the actual demo crew was lied to. Maybe told that the buildings would be evacuated and thered be no loss of life - something they couldnt guarantee had they asked them to tip 110 floors over. Its all speculation I guess. What I am certain of tho is it was controlled and a crew was allowed access. Were all free to beleive what we will-and I beleive THAT.
"In case of the three buildings..
there was no such need"
I think it was. Think about insurancees. If this buildings would drop on other there will be investigations made by insurance companys. Many of them. They have very good investigators.
Why ?
Why do you think they brought the patroit act in so fast afterwards ? ( It was actually written long before ) Why do you think they had a terrorist convicted and ready before there was even an investigation ? They were airing Ossama did it right away didn't they ?
How did they come to this conclusion so fast ? They needed a reason to bring in the patriot act and this was done to stifle dissent. This way you gave up your rights and then they told you that if you questioned it you yourself would be considered a Terrorist.
They also knew through basic psychology that people would be traumatized for a while and that would give them time to seal the deal.
The whole thing was done blatantly obvious since they also know that typical Americans don't question anything.
Why do you think George Bush can't be impeached ? Same reason The American people have lost all power over it's government and they can do anything they want now.
No, I understand all that.
But you miss my point. All of those same things could have come to pass if "they" (whoever brought the buildings down) had knocked them down without making it look so obviously like a controlled demolition. If "they" had made the buildings just topple over (instead of imploding neatly into their own footprint, at free-fall speed), nobody would have been questioning how they fell. All of that same BS that you mentioned would still have come about. But there would be no 9/11 truth movement, because nobody would have given the collapsing buildings a second thought. So was this a screw-up on somebody's part, or what?
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Improbable Collapse is the
Improbable Collapse is the most accurate of the documentaries made about the demolitions. 9/11 Mysteries has a few flaws in its physics. If you are interested in further research I've included a few presentations below. To dig further after those I would suggest "The Journal of 9/11 Studies": http://www.journalof911st...
Blueprint for Truth
A presentation by Richard Gage, founder of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://video.google.com/v...
Steven Jones in Austin Texas
A presentation by Dr. Jones focusing on experiments and the microspheres found in the dust.
http://video.google.com/v...
Steven Jones in Boston
An excerpt from Dr. Jones' presentation at Faneuil Hall in Boston (the day before the Ron Paul rally for the Tea Party, Boston 9/11 truth reserved the hall and gave it to the Ron Paul group because so many of us were involved with the Paul campaign) focusing on unexploded thermate chips found in the dust.
http://video.google.com/v...
sikem-
you didn't watch this movie ( i just finished it) or you would know that the end of the movie relates EXACTLY what dr.paul and this movement stand for. check it out for yourself!
~peace
freespeech
Go to 9:00 into the video. That is what people think about 9/11 conspiracy groups. And 9/11 Conspiracy Groups claim Dr. Paul, which transfers some of the disregard onto Dr. Paul. That is my main point.
I do find the evidence presented in forums to be fascinating, sociologically speaking. It tends to be very long videos that are full of innuendo but very little data. Mostly it is a lot of unasked questions. "The government CLAIMS that islamic terrorists flew planes into the WTC, but did they REALLY?" [I made that up as an example.]
I promise that I have watched the entirety of many of the videos. This time I was willing to give it 10 minutes. Sorry, but life is just too short to watch hour+ videos with bad logic.
I am all for you guys supporting Ron Paul. And I have nothing against you wanting another investigation (as long as you are willing to accept its findings). I just wished you guys would not tie Ron Paul to assertions of the USG cover-up of their intentional destruction of the buildings and calloused murder of thousands of Americans.
So you think Building 7 came down by itself?
You are ok with the media not telling people building seven came down?
The molten steel doesn't concern you? The fact that there were absolutely no plane or body parts at the Pentagon and that the opening the plane supposedly went through was too little for it, does not bother you? The location of the Pentagon explosion is just a huge coincidence? No plane or body parts out in the field where the 4th plane crashed, no problem for you? Having the towers come down so close together is logical? Having all that dust from a building pancaking is logical? Hundreds of witnesses saying there were explosions other than the plane crashes, no problem either?
Do you concede that at the very least, the government has not told the whole story? If not, why not?
Did you understand that some of the reports performed were up until the actual collapse and did not address from the collapse on.
This kind of stuff is a
This kind of stuff is a great hindrance to the movement. 9/11 conspiracy theorists are the equivalent of Rev. Wright for Obama. An embarrassment that greatly tarnishes Dr. Paul's image.
you'r an idiot!as for me
you'r an idiot! you and your 1 day and 14 hours! what federal branch of the government do you work for?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
please
do not forget that this is a ron paul crowd aka intelligence at its finest
~peace
Hi there
Mr. 22 hours and 42 minutes!
How ya doin?!
"hindrance to the movement"
If you refuse to look at all the evidence to make an educated decision,then YOU are a hindrance to the "movement"
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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
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"If you refuse to look at
"If you refuse to look at all the evidence to make an educated decision"
That is quite an assumption. I have been on some of your guys's forums and discussed the issues to great detail. At most you have questions. You demand a new investigation which you will not trust.
But if you want to think that it was a government plot and come up with all kinds of conflicting theories based on superficial evidence, more power to you. I am merely observing that it discredits Ron Paul. Right or wrong, the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are not well thought of. Associating your theories with the R3volution can only hurt the cause.
But again, it is just an observation. You should do what you think is best.
To a fair minded person
the only thing that will discredit Ron Paul is what Ron Paul says himself.
And when did the average
And when did the average voter become fair minded?
is there ay other way to view this movie on line?
it stops and starts every few seconds
thanks
~peace
I have DSL
and this movie loaded fine. But I constantly have the problem of which you are speaking on other YouTube videos and there is no way that I have figured out, to make it load before it starts playing. Some you can pause and it will keep loading, but some do it all automatically. It is extremely frustrating. I have been wondering what to do about it or if it is my computer. But I did "go to my browser's cache and cleaned it out" yesterday, so maybe it will provide an improvement for me. Thanks to iehuvihs teaching me how to do it!!! That smart tech.
Hey!
I thought I was the one who taught you how to do that? How soon they forget...... :-)
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Ooops
I'm sure you are right. I knew it was a list of letters I did not understand and didn't go back to look. I won't forget again!! Thanks for blowing the smoke away from my foggy mind. Like I said, the NWO plans to take care of me soon!!!
No problem!
FYI: xntryk1 = eccentric one. I (also) can't figure out what the heck "iehuvihs" stands for! :-)
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Sounds like you may have a dial-up connection to the internet?
In any case, the best way to eliminate most of those stops and starts, is to let the entire clip download to your computer BEFORE you try to watch it. Just start it like normal, then hit the pause button and let the gray bar go completely to the right. THEN, un-pause it, and it should be easier to watch. Of course if you ARE on dial-up, it's gonna take a heckuva long time to download the entire thing.... :-)
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nope, not on dial up
i will try letting it completely load tho- thanks
~peace
ok! that worked
i have broadband and don't usually have these issues- thanks again!
~peace
Yeah, I've got broadband, too (well, kinda - DSL :-))...
...but I've noticed that for some strange reason, that does seem to help with large video downloads. Glad it worked for you, too...
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Firefox and Download Helper
Download Firefox:
http://www.mozilla.com/
and addon DownloadHelper:
https://addons.mozilla.or...
Then you can download easy (or even easily - i don't know lol) any YT or google video on your local hardrive.
Oh, thanks,
I'll go do this too. It is "easily," btw. Glad I know something, anyway.
hard to beleive that we
hard to beleive that we would have elements in our own nation wanting to destroy this country! time to wake up folks.. its been going on in front of our noses for at least 3 generations! the only thing that stops world government is the Constitution of the United States and specifically the 2nd ammendment!
Good factual information.
Good factual information. Anyone that looks into this with an investigative mind comes to the conclusion that the buildings were helped down by more than just a couple of airplanes.
Freedom always Rules!
Thanks for the link
definitely worth watching- this one is good for the firefighter testimony that was suppressed for the Commission Report. More peices to the puzzle.
I understand that in the next few weeks
There is one coming out that is going to blow the government right out of the water. It's called "Truth rising / The 911 chronicles"
Really powerful film
Much easier to watch this than all the evidence films that have been put together. Now where was that court case being tried and what happened finally?? Guess I need to re-watch it.
Then I have read/heard on video, that one floor of Bldg 7 was off limits except by badge. Speculation that things were happening in Bldg 7 that were not to be discovered, like perhaps the coordination of this entire thing. That the pentagon was hit where the discovery was going on by the accountants of the $2.3 billion (plus another $1.3 billion) gone missing in the military complex. Could this have been what it cost to do this? That the center in total was purchased only about 4 months before this happened and was heavily insured and that there was asbestos in the towers that would call for a total renovation. That one of Bush's brothers, I believe Marvin, (and probably his company) was the security for the complex. How long before this happened was it reported that Bush was talking to bin Laden? Wasn't it about four months? I read/heard that some of the hijackers were participating in what they thought was military
maneuvers. I also understand that some of the accused 19 (like 7 or more) are actually alive. Why don't we have them on film?
Wonder what Tucker could really tell now that he has been fired.
Just finished
Great info. Good film.
Good film, Thanks
I have met Dr. Steven Jones and William Rodriguez. Seeing their presentations in person combined with 100's of hours of research is pretty convincing.
How could you not have questions.
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"My role in the revolution is to wake up the lemmings of this country, who sit back and accept the pablum the media feeds them"
Jesse Ventura
Ventura/Paul 2008
http://www.gopetition.com...
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Well worth the look! Thank you truthers for opening my eyes!
I was always against the idea of an inside job, I'm now convinced otherwise.
Bush makes me sick now evry time he speaks,
Why did I vote for him?
I'm going to hell!
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Stand up and fight for Truth and Freedom. We might have to go through "hell" for a while, but in a spirit of Joy and Upliftment! It is not our previous perhaps wrong steps that will haunt us forever. What matters is what we do now. Our mistakes is often what has taught us the most. Yes, and it is good to question things. Onward and upward :-)!
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Great Film!
Thank you.
I bookmarked
to watch later, thanks.
You will
like it when you get a chance to watch.