he was derided as a kooky old man full of conspiracy theories. But now the State of Texas talks about it like they talk about the weather, as if it is just another average project planned for just another average day.
Scroll down an dsee these 4 separate videos:
1.) George W. Impeachment
2.) Help the GI Resistance
3.) Janet Eaton & Karen O’Donnell - Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP)
4.) Rep. Marcy Kaptur Speaks about the NAFTA Superhighway
And will for the rest of my life... http://www.dailypaul.com/... Mount Carmel ; Fending off a super highway
Pace’s latest cause may just attract some anti-government types to Mount Carmel. The state of Texas is considering building a north-south superhighway through the Waco area, part of a massive statewide project known as the Trans-Texas Corridor.
One county map, drawn up merely for “guesstimating costs,” the county insists, shows the highway going straight through Mount Carmel.
“I’m getting very militant,” said Pace. “Because I want to vindicate these people’s names — I don’t want them to be forgotten and paved over. They want to put a road through here and just destroy this whole place, basically pave it over. I think that would be a sacrilege.”
Will he fight the highway project?
“Yes, we’re going to fight it,” he said. “They’ll have to carry my cold body off this place. Or bury me here with the rest of them.”
Tough, provocative words from a man occupying the site of one more violent chapters in American history. But Pace said he’s not talking about taking up arms.
The state of Texas says that while Mount Carmel lies within a large swath of land being studied for the project, no decisions have been made about the actual route. The building of the highway, if it ever happens, would be many years away.
With a little internet digging the connections can be made
takes forever to get to the point. I heard this at least a month ago. Now where does it stand? Now that things are getting back to normal there. I also saw a Texan after attending some of the town hall meetings state that "they" (he and other Texans) had shut down the progress of the TTC. I wonder if there is any truth to that. Is it slowed, stopped or full speed ahead?
From the very beginning this FLDS raid just made no sense at all;
1) Hoax phone calls from Colorado claiming to be from within the FLDS ranch in Texas; accusing a man living in Arizona of being on the ranch in Texas and raping the Colorado caller.
Can you get anymore incredible than that? Why, yes, you can;
2) Police raiding the entire ranch with a para-military force of tanks, snipers, and automatic weapons, rather than just conducting an investigation; first as to whether the anonymous calls were legitimate. Police sat around for 6 days before raiding the ranch, isn't that enough time for police to figure out where phone calls are coming from? So much for 911 and police investigations.
3) Taking all the children from the community based on a massive lie - the claim that 31 women were underage when they gave birth, even when they showed ID proving they were adults, and the state judging how old the women were and taking them away based upon "looks," rather than investigating whether their ID was valid. Turns out, two months and $10 million dollars later - not a single one of them was underage and some of the "girls statutorily raped" by their own husbands were as old as twenty seven.
4) Media releases claiming possible abuse due to dozens of broken bones - yet not telling anyone that dozens of broken bones for hundreds of children is average. Media releases of a "sex bed" in the temple, because a long hair was found in a bed. Media releases of possible abused boys based totally on hearsay - quickly abandoned with no evidence, but not until the media damage was done. Media releases of "bleeding the beast" or living off welfare - investigated by a Special Senate Committee, including the head of social services himself only to confirm the FLDS were receiving no public support. And, of course, the big whopper, 31 raped girls, all of which turned out to be not underage and not raped.
Does this make any sense at all? Not really, what would the motive be? Protecting children by harmfully tearing them from their parents with no evidence to justify it? Hmm, that seems like a backwards motive. So, absent any good motive, what could the real motive be...
How about money?
How about a Texas Corridor? How about an international corridor passing right through the FLDS property?
All signs point to yes. There is a motive for everything, the motive for the FLDS raid was highly elusive, but I believe it has just been discovered. This is beyond small town governments going wacky and the media backing them up; much bigger.
She gets to the point quite well, and I appreciate that very much. But I do wish Devvy would leave their religion out of it. Everyone who comments on this shouldn't feel the need to disclaim that they don't like polygamy, etc. So what if someone did say they don't mind polygamy so much? Ron Paul has managed to say as much, to his great credit.
The whole point is: people's personal lifestyles and beliefs should be irrelevant in the public discourse of what is or is not appropriate as far as preserving constitutional rights. Since the constitution does not see fit to define polygamists as being outside the scope of the constitution, neither should anyone else.
For the record, I think the FLDS raid was a complete miscarriage of justice, and was a special effort aimed at maximizing the persecution of a religious minority that made the holier-than-thou Texas evangelicals uncomfortable. And I don't have anything against polygamy. I'd also think it were just as awful if some hypothetical State of a Polygamist Majority raided all monogamists homes and stole their children.
you made regarding religion. Religion is totally irrelevant but has been used to make the raid acceptable to the many close minded people who only read headlines, villifying those who are connected to the FLDS.
The important part of the article I think is that the raid is being exposed for what it is.. and Devvy, being read by many people, has sown the seed for more people to question it more thoroughly. Hopefully mainstream media, or close to it, will pick up on it sooner or later. If not, hopefully people who read this will bring it up in their discussions and thus, spread the word. .
We all have our roles, and if Ms. Kidd's role is to get the truth about the raid out to a certain audience, then I am very happy for that. I realize that polygamy is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people. Obviously it is, or those West Texas Baptists and southern Methodists would not be so scared to have a handful of polygamists in their county.
But religious zealotry gave us numerous crusades and wars, and it is too optimistic to think that some good old boys in the Baptist church are ready to welcome an alternate religion to the neighborhood.
When Ron Paul spoke of this
he was derided as a kooky old man full of conspiracy theories. But now the State of Texas talks about it like they talk about the weather, as if it is just another average project planned for just another average day.
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Scroll down an dsee these 4 separate videos:
1.) George W. Impeachment
2.) Help the GI Resistance
3.) Janet Eaton & Karen O’Donnell - Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP)
4.) Rep. Marcy Kaptur Speaks about the NAFTA Superhighway
I believed it then,,
And will for the rest of my life... http://www.dailypaul.com/... Mount Carmel ; Fending off a super highway
Pace’s latest cause may just attract some anti-government types to Mount Carmel. The state of Texas is considering building a north-south superhighway through the Waco area, part of a massive statewide project known as the Trans-Texas Corridor.
One county map, drawn up merely for “guesstimating costs,” the county insists, shows the highway going straight through Mount Carmel.
“I’m getting very militant,” said Pace. “Because I want to vindicate these people’s names — I don’t want them to be forgotten and paved over. They want to put a road through here and just destroy this whole place, basically pave it over. I think that would be a sacrilege.”
Will he fight the highway project?
“Yes, we’re going to fight it,” he said. “They’ll have to carry my cold body off this place. Or bury me here with the rest of them.”
Tough, provocative words from a man occupying the site of one more violent chapters in American history. But Pace said he’s not talking about taking up arms.
The state of Texas says that while Mount Carmel lies within a large swath of land being studied for the project, no decisions have been made about the actual route. The building of the highway, if it ever happens, would be many years away.
With a little internet digging the connections can be made
Article
takes forever to get to the point. I heard this at least a month ago. Now where does it stand? Now that things are getting back to normal there. I also saw a Texan after attending some of the town hall meetings state that "they" (he and other Texans) had shut down the progress of the TTC. I wonder if there is any truth to that. Is it slowed, stopped or full speed ahead?
No Wonder!
From the very beginning this FLDS raid just made no sense at all;
1) Hoax phone calls from Colorado claiming to be from within the FLDS ranch in Texas; accusing a man living in Arizona of being on the ranch in Texas and raping the Colorado caller.
Can you get anymore incredible than that? Why, yes, you can;
2) Police raiding the entire ranch with a para-military force of tanks, snipers, and automatic weapons, rather than just conducting an investigation; first as to whether the anonymous calls were legitimate. Police sat around for 6 days before raiding the ranch, isn't that enough time for police to figure out where phone calls are coming from? So much for 911 and police investigations.
3) Taking all the children from the community based on a massive lie - the claim that 31 women were underage when they gave birth, even when they showed ID proving they were adults, and the state judging how old the women were and taking them away based upon "looks," rather than investigating whether their ID was valid. Turns out, two months and $10 million dollars later - not a single one of them was underage and some of the "girls statutorily raped" by their own husbands were as old as twenty seven.
4) Media releases claiming possible abuse due to dozens of broken bones - yet not telling anyone that dozens of broken bones for hundreds of children is average. Media releases of a "sex bed" in the temple, because a long hair was found in a bed. Media releases of possible abused boys based totally on hearsay - quickly abandoned with no evidence, but not until the media damage was done. Media releases of "bleeding the beast" or living off welfare - investigated by a Special Senate Committee, including the head of social services himself only to confirm the FLDS were receiving no public support. And, of course, the big whopper, 31 raped girls, all of which turned out to be not underage and not raped.
Does this make any sense at all? Not really, what would the motive be? Protecting children by harmfully tearing them from their parents with no evidence to justify it? Hmm, that seems like a backwards motive. So, absent any good motive, what could the real motive be...
How about money?
How about a Texas Corridor? How about an international corridor passing right through the FLDS property?
All signs point to yes. There is a motive for everything, the motive for the FLDS raid was highly elusive, but I believe it has just been discovered. This is beyond small town governments going wacky and the media backing them up; much bigger.
thanks for making me laugh for a moment!
i don't know why, but your writing struck me as funny!
Can you get anymore incredible than that? Why, yes, you can;
:)
Just about as funny as Obama
Just about as funny as Obama running for President.
Good article!
She gets to the point quite well, and I appreciate that very much. But I do wish Devvy would leave their religion out of it. Everyone who comments on this shouldn't feel the need to disclaim that they don't like polygamy, etc. So what if someone did say they don't mind polygamy so much? Ron Paul has managed to say as much, to his great credit.
The whole point is: people's personal lifestyles and beliefs should be irrelevant in the public discourse of what is or is not appropriate as far as preserving constitutional rights. Since the constitution does not see fit to define polygamists as being outside the scope of the constitution, neither should anyone else.
For the record, I think the FLDS raid was a complete miscarriage of justice, and was a special effort aimed at maximizing the persecution of a religious minority that made the holier-than-thou Texas evangelicals uncomfortable. And I don't have anything against polygamy. I'd also think it were just as awful if some hypothetical State of a Polygamist Majority raided all monogamists homes and stole their children.
I totally agree with the points
you made regarding religion. Religion is totally irrelevant but has been used to make the raid acceptable to the many close minded people who only read headlines, villifying those who are connected to the FLDS.
The important part of the article I think is that the raid is being exposed for what it is.. and Devvy, being read by many people, has sown the seed for more people to question it more thoroughly. Hopefully mainstream media, or close to it, will pick up on it sooner or later. If not, hopefully people who read this will bring it up in their discussions and thus, spread the word. .
Good points, Hannah
We all have our roles, and if Ms. Kidd's role is to get the truth about the raid out to a certain audience, then I am very happy for that. I realize that polygamy is a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people. Obviously it is, or those West Texas Baptists and southern Methodists would not be so scared to have a handful of polygamists in their county.
But religious zealotry gave us numerous crusades and wars, and it is too optimistic to think that some good old boys in the Baptist church are ready to welcome an alternate religion to the neighborhood.
Been looking a bit further
and came across this article http://abcnews.go.com/Nig...
Highway Through 'Hallowed' Ground
Texas Highway Project Threatens a Cluster of Branch Davidians in Waco
How many other raids can be expected whilst they take their time to pursue their highway project?
Digg this: http://digg.com/politics/...
I will not be surprised
if the TTC ends up winding up through Ruby Ridge, Idaho, for that matter.
What a joke!
That's a good article.
That's a good article. Should be at the top.
"One county map, drawn up merely for "guesstimating costs," the county insists, shows the highway going straight through Mount Carmel."
http://abcnews.go.com/Nig...
I didn't see the video though?
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