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Pay as you go Internet Coming soon, What will you do?

NYTimes.com
Charging by the Byte to Curb Internet Traffic
Saturday June 14, 11:35 pm ET
By BRIAN STELTER

Some people use the Internet simply to check e-mail and look up phone numbers. Others are online all day, downloading big video and music files.
For years, both kinds of Web surfers have paid the same price for access. But now three of the country’s largest Internet service providers are threatening to clamp down on their most active subscribers by placing monthly limits on their online activity.

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I think everyone is getting confused

The ones who are against this new plan aren't against it because they want the government to come in and interfere. They're against it because they think the ISPs are offering a crappier service. Nobody is saying anything about the government needing to do anything.

After reading what others who actually have those plans have said, I'm really not happy about it. If anyone knows of any ISPs that aren't going to use stupid plan, PLEASE let me know.

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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul

hmmm...

I don't mind the "pay as you go" aspect, as long as it is reasonable and not rape. Unfortunately, big telecom corps will rape though. That's not the darkest side of this agenda though. The dark side is that these same companies want to shut down the internet completely, and force us all on to internet 2. What will happen is an old trick in the new battle-space of the web. They will do a false flag cyber terror attack that will shut down the web.

Remember "Problem - Reaction - Solution" ? Well, they'll create the problem of an overloaded web by not upgrading and expanding servers, to cause the reaction of a web crash and an "OMFG!" from the people, and then have the web 2.0 ready to go as the solution. Unfortunately, the telecoms will charge more for access outside their networks, making it more costly to get access to alternative media web sites, and they'll even go so far as to block certain sites too.

Invest in Wireless

Australia has only ever known charge by the byte and it sucks but it has not ground us to a halt by any stretch of the imagination.. The problem is this. There is no inherent value in a byte. However how quickly I get that byte is important.
Charging by access speed is a much better idea.

If the telcos try to restrict access watch wireless boom and independent networks blossom. TCP/IP was designed so all computers are equal. If they wreck it we build a new one or go around them. Plenty of the downstream ISPs would be livid.

A lot of DP posters

Could benefit from a good spell check program. Firefox has one that works essentially everywhere.

The Revolution Continues at http://nationbuilder.org

Internet2 plus neutrality laws = trouble

I don't understand why this is a bad thing.

Everything else is charged according to usage. Why should I have to pay the same as someone downloading movies and doing business and taking up bandwidth? I know Verizon FIOS has 2 plans to choose from depending on how much speed you need/want. What's wrong with that?

Scroll down to End of internet as we know it

Put a review of internet 2, now up & running into your conclusions

Here we have different plans one can

subscribe to depending on the amount of downloading one does and what kind of connection (ADSL, dial up, satellite)

Business packages are far more expensive than the average internet user packages, the so called home users. .
With an average download of 12 Gb per month I had several choices , so in a way we already pay according on how we use it and how often.

I think you miss the point truthy. The plans are for having your connection with service provider but on top of that you might have to pay for accessing different websites. There are already numerous websites with forums where you can subscribe for free but if you want to contribute you have to pay a standard fee. Many medical sites give you a summary about a particular issue but if you want the whole report (which in most cases you would because the summary isso short it won't tell you anything) and you pay for every single report. Possibilities aplenty to start charging us, for just about every move we want to make on line.

So?

Do you want the government to come in to stop it?

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NO

That's not what we want.. Government has to stay out of it.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep an eye on service providers who might start up a racket, and go well overboard.

If the Governments are getting involved we can say bye bye to the internet as we know it with most of the news being surpressed.

Looks like we don't have too bad a deal here in Australia as yet with all the different packages.

Nothing at all wrong with it. It's good.

Apparently there is cadre of anti-capitalist Paul supporters here. Paul has been trying to explain economic freedom throughout has campaign and they still don't get it. It's pretty sad.

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Perhaps as dense as you with your

Barr trolling.. you don't understand common courtesy by your Barr stuff on the DAILY PAUL.. which is to support the movement of Ron Paul!!!

This is not capitalism

It's called nickle and diming and trying to turn simple internet plans into convoluted cell phone plans that discourage you from using the internet freely, and encourage or even force you to use junky telco services to avoid getting slapped with fees. We already have limits on bandwidth, you pay more per month to have more bandwidth. The problem is that people are now actually starting to use that bandwidth instead of paying for something they never use. They are also using free services like bittorrent that circumvent the huge, bloated media companies that operate like government agencies. Freedom, free markets, competition, and capitalism are not compatible with today's world, that's why the internet is under attack.

I'd like to pay a lower rate

than high usage users.

It certainly is capitalism. Capitalism is about maximizing profit through competition. I'm all for businesses competing with each other to try to bring in the most profit. Consumers benefit from this.

Would you like government to regulate? That's not capitalism.

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dont get hughesnet !

first they make you commit for a 18 month contract and then you have to pay for the equipment about 500-600 dollars then,they limit your use to only 750 mbs of download per day(not even enough to watch a full length movie)
tech support is a nightmare conversation with some shmuck from india that can barely talk english. the only time you get the speed you pay for is early in the morning till the afternoon . when the kiddies come home from school the service slows down dramatically . and i mean really bad, almost slower than dialup. forget watching youtube at that time of day unless you like to wait. also thier satellites are also used for military purposes. i wouldnt doubt it if this was used to spy on citizens too. all for the outragous price of 69 bucks a month!. believe me, when my contract was done, i dumped them quick and got a local service that was 10 times better for half the price and no charge for the equipment and unlimited use of the internet. i can youtube all day long if i want.

Pro's and Con's

First buy your equipment used... I bought the most recent gear for $150 off of craigs list. Installers will install your used equipment for $100 or so.

DO NOT GET THE SERVICE if you can get DSL or Cable... DSL is much faster up and down.

If you are out in the boonies then Hugesnet might work for you.

Ramblin Randy

How does Ron Paul feel about "Net Neutrality"?

Voted NO on establishing "network neutrality" (non-tiered Internet). (Jun 2006)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

http://www.g4tv.com/pile_...

http://groups.yahoo.com/g...

Net Neutrality = End of the internet as we know it

Folks this is huge, escentially the internet is being taken from the people. Elite, facist control of the last free media. Another take over of technology.

Watch:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

http://www.thealexjonessh...

Go to: Internet2.com ( yes, it's in operation but you can't use it & it's scalable nano particle - limitless memory ) Look around. Look at the bylaws first statement a "non profit corporation" which means no taxes paid on the trillions extracted. A David Rockefella footprint. The current backbone will die and with it our ability of freedom of speech communications as well as our ability to research any data we're not authorized to access. The internet has been monopolized & privitized. Look at access management:
http://www.gcn.com/print/...

Power Point presentation: Internet2 :http://www.internet2.edu/resources/Internet2-Overview.ppt

There's tons more. This is a Campaigne for Liberty "fight line item".

Pass this on. The neutrality issues were made deliberately confusing.

A privatized internet is a bad thing?

Are we supporting the same Ron Paul?

Privatization = less government.
Less government = freedom.

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Well, what do you know?

Dr. Paul is a not a socialist. ISP should be allowed to do what they want, without government interference.

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Been tried before in the

Been tried before in the 90s...didnt work then and wont work now. I think the internet providers should stop whining so much. They are lucky we even pay for internet now, yet they want to squeeze every penny they can from us.

It's a great idea. I hope they implement it.

It inefficient for low usage customers to have to subsidize high usage customers. This is the progress of capitalism ..ever increasing efficiency.

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I'm tired of your bullshit,

I'm tired of your bullshit, Justcantgetenough. Why are you on a freedom forum posting the way you do?

Apparently you just don't understand freedom

Freedom allows private owners of the means of production to do what they want with their property.

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What do you have against capitalism

and economic efficiency?

You a socialist? Do you think things should be "fair?"

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Bob Barr money bomb???

Sorry, I just gave to Ron -- all tapped out.

It's not.

it's not a revolutionary message of liberty you barr troll moron. It's called "A Revolution to get us back to Constitutional Freedom."

Guess what, that little crack at the end about 9/11 truthers not supporting bar.. My guess that close to half of the Million of the votes this primary for Ron Paul were people who know that 9/11's official story is a total lie... I would say more but I am speaking from my point of view. Everyone I know from my meetup group to people I have talked with agree that 9/11's official story dosen't hold water. So good job.. You are turning away possible votes for Barr and you don't even know it...lol.

Don't worry, Barr's campaign

Don't worry, Barr's campaign is too insignificant to be hurt by anything. Good luck with that one and a half percent.

Bob Barr's

shining moment was introducing Ron Paul. Let's not hurt the Bob Barr campaign??? are you kidding??? The high gas prices are also great, right??? Justcantgetenough what? Education?

9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2008

Your response is *crap*

Why not go to the dailybarr where you belong. You'd have to have a brain bigger than the size of a pea to understand the stupidity of your comment (and end tags).

I will turn to my son

and hope he can help work around such things. Peace

change isp.

change isp.

These companies are deluding themselves

The Internet is still in its infancy... video is just starting to be put into real use... far far too many companies are going to be using video for all kinds of inovative things above and beyond YouTube type websites and they wont tolerate making people pay to get these services / video ads ... when we all know it costs virtually nothing to deliver them... these ISPs will lose lots and lots of money due to competition taking away their subscribers... AT&T has already prove they are stupid by helping Bush Inc spy on us all ...but other companies have proven they "get it" and wont go down this road... what will happen is people that set themselves up as major hubs for things like LimeWire will get thottled and the rest of us will not have to pay for their over use.

Look into FIOS or Japans Internet infrastructure... what we have in the USA is a JOKE today... The capacity is going to go way way up over the next few years and what is considered over use today will not be all that much tomorrow.

I'm so glad you posted this

Does anyone know what ISPs are good to get? I've heard Earthlink is good. They have spoken out for net neutrality. They've hooked up Seattle and some parts of Texas with free wi-fi but they're not in my area unless I want to pay $600 for satellite.

I guess I'll pay as I go...

...like I've done all my life. Seems perfectly fair and equitable to me.

http://groups.yahoo.com/g...

Route around it, of course

There will *always* be a market for unrestricted bandwidth, and there will be those willing to pay for that access.

Those who are particularly computer savvy (which is likely the same demographic who is particularly desiring of greater bandwidth) will most likely just route around the whole mess, as they've always done. Long before the net was "The Information Superhighway" (remember that name? It seems quaint, now!), there were bulletin boards and all sorts of ways of communicating without the benefit of websites such as we know and love today.

Where there's a will (and a market), there's a way.

Get really mad for one thing.

Hopefully a LLC I am invested in will be bought soon and the technology will get rid or help with the problem of large files.

Euclid Discoveries. google it if you want to know more

LMAO

I'll get really mad too. If you want to set up your own ISP here's a site to do just that: http://www.cuwin.net/