Write-In Votes? Ron says No

Ron Paul didn't say "no". But someone put the words in his mouth anyway. That was ignoble.

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Support Ron Paul's (not ex-CIA neocon Bob Barr's) Campaign for Liberty!

I have a funny feeling Ron was pressured to end the race.

I will very likely vote for Barr. I don't like some of the things in his voting record but why would he have quit the GOP and joined the LP if he still held those views? Dr. Paul seems OK with him.

Presumably by "it won’t count," he means that my write-in vote may not be registered as a Ron Paul vote. That would be unfortunate, as I would find the Ron Paul tally interesting, but I can accept it. What matters most to me is that I am counted as having voted, but having not voted for a Republicrat.

The idea is to reduce the winning percentage of the Republicrat. This means that I must vote. But who to vote for? There are only three alternative parties that have anything more than a laughable level of support in the US: the Constitution Party, the Green Party, and the Libertarian Party.

I can't vote for the CP until they remove all references to Harvey the Rabbit from their platform. Jefferson built that wall for a very good reason, and I like it just fine.

I can't vote GP because, well, the GP is the kind of party Democrats fantasize about, but only the ones with integrity actually vote for. The GP is the DP on steroids.

I'm not entirely thrilled with the LP, but I could vote for them if I could support the candidate in good conscience. Bob Barr has a history that makes me want to punch kittens. I suppose I could just ignore all that and take him at his word; after all, people do change, and it would be unfair to dismiss a person who genuinely saw the error of his ways and rectified them. Indeed, such honesty should be supported and even rewarded. But do I believe Barr? I'm not sure yet, but I've got my eye on him.

Then there's Nader the Independent, but I can't support his platform. Anyway, he's effectively nothing more than a rogue candidate; he'll sap a few green votes from the GP, both of which ultimately serve only to sap left-wing idealist votes from Obama.

Of course, that's all any of these options does: sap votes from Republicrats. The question is which one? I suppose if you were a "gun to my head = McCain" person, but didn't want to vote for him directly, you might choose the GP or Nader. If you're a "gun to my head = Obama" person, you might indirectly help him with a CP or LP vote. As for me, I couldn't care less which Republicrat wins. I'm a "gun to my head = pull the trigger" person, but I'd go LP on principle, which means that ultimately I suppose I'm a "gun to my head = Obama" person, at least indirectly, and paradoxically.

At any rate, that leaves a write-in vote for Paul, which I've intended to do all along, no matter what. At this point, the excitement has gone from the election for me; I'm open to pragmatism, within reason. If Paul endorses Barr, I'll pull the lever for Barr without making a fuss about it. If not, I'll most likely write-in Paul, just to say that I saw this thing through to the end.

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This leaves me at a major hurdle that I must seriously contemplate. I don't want the responsibility on my shoulders of having voted for ANY of the SHIT choices we have left. Now I am a man with a major problem. I do know I will enjoy the bumper sticker I print that says... "Economy bad? Can't find work? Lose your 401k? Government in your living room? IRS after you? School call child welfare services on you? Did your family die in the war to fight for all of the above to turn out as they did? Have you actually met one of these "terrorists" face to face yet on U.S. soil with a gun pointed at you telling you he is going to chop off your head? Did you fall for the lie like a good little sheeple? Don't blame me. I supported Ron Paul. Maybe you should "really" educate yourself instead of pretending you are....

A little big for a bumper sticker? Kind of. But I have about 8.5 square feet of tailgate in your face at a traffic light to put it on.

get a nomination from the floor at the Convention. In Oregon we are getting ready for our District Convention on July 12 and the word from on high is "the fat lady has not sung". We are not giving up. RP knows what he is doing. Our group has been dealing with some lawyers about all this in Portland. If I find out more later tonight I'll try to get back. The amount of work going into all this is amazing.

How is that. We can have our arguements about Baldwin, Barr, and Nader. Just pick someone else ON THE BALLOT in you state.

I already knew RP was gonna say that months ago. I knew that months ago when I was posting on this forum about Barr and other candidates. And I will be right again when RP gives an endorsement for Barr. Strategically, RP know that his Campaign for Liberty is where the "Ron Paul Revolution" will find a home. But Barr's campaign will be like a shadow mission that is secondary to the Ron Paul Revolution. The reason being is that McCain has to LOOSE this election in order for the GOP to be rebuilt with RP Republicans. Whenever the GOP or the Democrats loose a presidential election and loose control of the House and Senate, like the GOP is about to do, then that party goes through a "soul-searching" rebuilding phase. The Democrats went through that phase during the Reagan years in the 80s through the early 90s with George H.W. Bush.

So once the GOP goes through a re-building phase, neo-cons will slowly leave the party making way from Ron Paul Republicans. Ron Paul's Capaign for Liberty will ensure that. Bob Barr's WILL NOT WIN THE ELECTION, thank god, but he will at least give the final punch that will knock the GOP out of the ring by siphoning McCain's votes.

Voting for Baldwin is OK too even though he will won't be as successful. Voting for Nader or McKinney will actually help McCain. It also won't be recognized as a "libertarian" vote, thus the media won't know for sure how many RP supporters are actually voting for Nader or McKinney (or even Obama if some RP supporters decide to do that for some reason). If they vote for Barr, it will be symbolic of a "libertarian" vote, thus symbolic of the "RP message", even if Barr isn't as "PURE" as Ron Paul as is.

lol, you beat me to it...!
now we each need to figure out what to do.
this needs to be spread far and wide.

It is sad and amazing that a once fantastically great grassroots, possessed of tremendous skills, strength, fortitude, and drive, has descended into a pottage of defeated and confused pawns of the establishment... Where is your thinking cap, your bravery, your intuitiveness, your guts, your cause?

You are not alone in the confusion surrounding the recent strategic announcements, but remember, you are an army few men history had at their disposal, one for which many have dreamed!

It is beyond reason that a people such as you, tried and true, non apathetic, truth lovers, who have been blessed with the vision to see the truth when spoken, to recognize freedom and liberty for it's blessed gift and inalienable source, would at once succumb to the siren song of malaise and weakness.

What I see, is not possible, and I tell you that you should suck up what energy freedom and liberty pours out for you, hitch up your trousers, and try with all your last might, until the next president is sworn in, to get the most righteous and perfect man for the job into the oval office... and failing that, follow that by lawfully removing the one who gains by deceit and perfidy.

You all know the man for the job, as he is the only one of such caliber to bless a campaign in over 100 years! You all know what needs to be done, and you all know that means he needs votes... at the national convention, and lacking that by write-in.

Write-in for every state is not prevented by the silly laws the states have set up, but you just need to have a more complete write in to include the position and other written data, which you can find under exceptions in each state's laws. To be able to write in a candidate has always been a right for the public.

To feel one ran the race to the end, climbed the muddy and steep hill to the top or died trying, is the only real task with which this great grassroots has been burdened; for it is your destiny to carry the hour, the day, the year, nay , the nation, for your families and your future families. It is what you were born to do at this time, it is what generations past have fought and died to pass on to you, for you are THAT GENERATION they have hoped for, and THAT GENERATION history will remember as THAT GENERATION who tried, and in trying, saved the hour, the day, and the nation!

Having done your best to accomplish the task to it's fullest, you will have done all God allows us, you will have the real measure of peace granted only those who endured to the end, who valued liberty above life!

"Suspicion is a Virtue, if in the interests of the good of the people." Patrick Henry

"We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power... the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone - it is to the ... brave..."

And make sure our votes are counted just to see how many people actually vote for Ron Paul.

Just an idea. Probably not realistic, though.

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

I believe votes of protest will be the real deal for 2008.
both of the major 2 parties need to get the message -
(as well as msm)
Chuck Baldwin is who I am most likely voting for -
check him out and the others also - and make up your own mind.
See you in Septemeber - MN.

we are so past that now. Half of our votes last time probably didn't get counted literally. Everyone saw the machines at their best, the recounts, the boxs that were "sealed" and the ballots that were dumped. This Revolution will go on votes or no votes. I plan on staying the original course and not deviating off of it one bit. I am fed up with the whole scam system. My vote for RP if nothing else will be for me, a statement of my convictions so it will not be lost at all.

convince them to do away with the "sore loser" laws. The "sore loser" laws are unconstitutional, we're letting the government tells us to vote for. My 1st amendment rights reiterates my freedom of choice. So states that have the laws that does not let you write in whoever is violating your 1st amendment rights

Our delegates are going to pull off a miracle in September, and we can all vote for Ron Paul. Have faith and claim this!

Folks, let's keep to reality here. I don't see a snowball's chance in Hell that anyone but big government, pro empire Obama or McCain are going to be President. And they are the same on the big issues.

So, you can either try to vote for one of them to try to alter the election (but whoever gets elected will do the same thing), or you can protest by voting third party, write-in or declining to vote. But chances are the vast majority of the nation will only look at what happens between the two main candidates. There is absolutely no reason to start fighting amongst ourselves over whether to vote for Barr, write-in Dr Paul or to just not vote. All three choices will have the same basic effect.

And I am quite sure that Dr. Paul thinks that each should do as he deems best.

There are still votes to be made for Ron Paul. Go to the post entitled "Delegates" and read. If you must discuss negatives and not be positively involved with the Campaign for Liberty and Ron Paul, go elsewhere. What have you done today to promote the March, the Mini-Convention, more members for the CFL? There is too little time left before the first week of September to be worrying about this now, imo.

IT'S DOABLE

If skip voting you are DESTRUCTIVE to this movement! Our votes MUST be counted outside the two major parties. Dr. Paul has given some hints towards who you can look at. Do Not skip voting.....Please! This is precisely why he does not support write in's....he wants the votes to be counted.

"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."

I feel Bob Barr would use his version of logic. I’m sure Chuck Baldwin would consider the constitution.

--Cliff, Sioux City, Iowa

Bill Bonner and a few other guys at the DR said they were not going to vote since they don't believe in voting. I wonder if they are still saying that. I hardly ever read the DR anymore, so I don't know. Does anybody know?

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

say they are going to write him in. If he knows this, he'll probably come out and endorse somebody to try to make sure that people don't waste their votes on useless hero worship.

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