Chuck Baldwin worked for Ron Paul's campaign.
Posted June 17th, 2008 by brutusbrutildabubba
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I think we must all rally behind one candidate. The fact that Chuck Baldwin is a strict constitutionalist and has worked for Ron Paul's campaign makes him a good alternative.
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I worked really really hard to get Ron Paul elected...
but that doesn't mean that I should be a candidate for president, nor that people should vote for me.
Informative sites: where?
Just checked Baldwin's site, but I didn't see anyplace that indicated which states' ballots the CP is already qualified on. Anyone know where such a list exists?
Sheesh, can't vote for RP if he's not qualified for write-in on your state's ballot; can't vote for Baldwin if the CP hasn't qualified for your state's ballot...don't tell me I'll end up with only Obama or InSane eligible in my state!!!!!!
CP Ballot Access
http://www.constitutionpa... - presently they are on the ballot in 24 states, including 2 write-ins (AK and TX). The deadline is past for OK. They are working on the others.
Thank you!
But I'm confused. Baldwin is with the Constitution Party, right? So what's all this "Independent," "American Independent Party," "American Constitution Party," "U.S. Taxpayers Party," etc. business? Are these all just different names for the Constitution Party or ???
The CP was originally the
The CP was originally the U.S. Taxpayers Party, it then changed to the CP. American Independent Party is the CA affiliate (my spelling is terrible tonight). Something about CA party rules; changing the name would mean restarting the party. Independent is where the CP doesn't have ballot access for some reason.
In VT, it is relatively easy to gain minor party status and ballot access. We've had ballot access for the 2008 general election as of Dec 2007. Other states are much harder and discrimate against minor parties.
In Connecticut its called
In Connecticut its called the Concerned Citizens Party.
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My Vote
I still prefer Ron Paul over any other option due to his voting record and experience in congress. Chuck Baldwin is extremely close to Ron Paul in his beliefs, so I would have no problem supporting him as well. For me, it basically comes down to what Ron Paul does. If he does not sign up to be a write-in and does not manage to get a nomination, I will vote for Chuck Baldwin. A write-in that does not actually count is truly a wasted vote, in my opinion, since I will not be compromising my values by voting for Baldwin and that vote will actually count.
So basically, I will vote for whoever is on my ballot: Ron Paul first and then Chuck Baldwin.
thats what I'm doing khomar!
thats what I'm doing khomar! great minds???
Good Thought
though write in's are only allowed in various states -
no where near as many states that will have the Constitution Party on
the ballot (I for one was going to write in RP - but found out my state
does not allow write in's for candidates that ran in the Primary - a stupid
rule) also, RP has encouraged all of us to do the right thing -
I am gleaning voting 3rd party and not for the 2 major parties is his thought.
Because Baldwin is a RP supporter and about 90 some odd % in line
with RP - he would like to see Baldwin do great in November ... I am
even waiting for him to endorse him sometime between Sept 2 and Nov 4
Ballot Access!!!
Here's something to chew on: How difficult would it be to get the Constitution Party on the ballot in most states if we Paulites really took it to task? Even for those of you who are supporting Barr, another ballot choice for freedom lovers is a good thing. Maybe the LP would even be willing to help? Crazy idea perhaps, but they did help Ron Paul, so there is a precedent of sorts.
I'd sign any reasonable petition to put more choices on my ballot, how about everyone else? Perhaps a joint venture is possible with nominal foes like the Greens and Socialists if we keep the project focused on the one thing that benefits us all equally. We must challenge the 2 party system directly.
I've never bought into the theory that we need fewer choices to avoid confusion.
For the record, I'm leaning towards Baldwin, but I'm not committed. I have reservations. I'd like to hear exactly what he personally has to say on the gambling and obscenity issues, and how much I'll have to worry about his religious career interfering with his freedom crusade.
I am not thrilled with Barr at all. I'm not convinced by his presentation thus far that he is the real deal. I really dislike Root as a VP candidate at this point for what he's had to say about Dr. Paul, and his foreign policy views. I really don't want that guy in the #2 slot if Barr were to win by some miracle. However, Barr might well serve the useful purpose of registering a specific "protest vote" for purposes of, say, the MSM actually reporting vote totals of Libertarians? Ballot access confuses the issue, but we could fix that.
I'm going to have to make a solid choice between these two at some point, but I'm waiting until after the RNC is over. I plan on being a disgruntled Republican after they diss us very publicly, which they certainly will. In my mind, McCain loses horribly without us, and the media will blame Ron Paul and third parties in general. This will help us build for the next fight. The GOP will look like morons for not even listening to us, and perhaps even breaking their own rules on national TV,
Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura 2012! How many tiny parties would guarantee support of Dr. Paul when he wins the 2012 nomination while fighting for ballot access all the while, if we can make conditional agreements in advance? Imagine the power of most of the small parties in America working together to boost a GOP candidate, with Independent Jesse Ventura, perhaps, as his running mate! This is a win-win for everybody, in my book. Build up the third parties for this election, and use that power for Dr. Paul in the next round.
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Chuck Baldwin
I worked 2 GOP events here in SC where Chuck Baldiwn spoke on behalf of Dr Paul, Chuck Baldwin is very close to Dr Paul in ideals, he is a very strong and passionate speaker, he sent out an email recently requesting a small donation to help him gain ballot access - visit www.baldwin2008.com and donate a small amount if you can and are so inclined.
Baldwin is IMO a good option for November, especially for those of us in "Diebold" states - but he needs attention. He has a lot of articles posted at newwithviews.com
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I agree
We need to continue to rally behind one candidate...Ron Paul. His campaign does not need to be active...there are those who will be voting for him yet, for example, at the NV GOP Reconvene Convention, and at the national convention.
Remember, early on, Baldwin said he would step aside for Ron Paul. Hopefully, everyone on the DailyPaul site will vote for Ron Paul if at all possible. When there are no more votes to be had for Ron Paul...we continue promoting Campaign for LIberty. I believe we need to concentrate our efforts and quit worrying and lobbying for others on this site. Most of us know who we are going to vote for by now. Ron Paul stands head and shoulders above the rest and he and the Campaign for Liberty have my loyalty. If when I stand in that voting booth on election day, and there is no way to vote for Ron Paul, I will make a decision, but not until then.
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I like Chuck Baldwin. I like
I like Chuck Baldwin. I like him a lot. I can find nothing wrong with him. Except for Ron Paul's impeccable voting record, Chuck Baldwin seems to me to be just as principled and honorable a man as Ron Paul is. The fact that Chuck Baldwin endorsed Ron Paul when others could have, but declined, makes me like him even more. If Ron Paul truly doesn't want us to write him in, then I would have no problem with voting for Chuck Baldwin.
As far as getting him on the ballot here in Iowa, the Constitution Party is working on that right now. I intend to help.
http://www.constitutionpa...
Yea forget bob
Chuck baldwin is my choice most likely
Chuck Baldwin is One of US.
Ron Paul clearly said on National Telivision Chuck Baldwin's views are very close to mine.
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I too like Chuck Baldwin and
I too like Chuck Baldwin and will probably be voting for him.
You know what might be a good idea?
If the month before the general election we had a poll on daily paul that said, "who do you want to vote for the most?" and then we all vote for that person first and then if we don't have that option (say in the case of ballot access or the state doesn't accept write in) then we could choose the second most popular choice. I think we can send a far more powerful message if we do this. Just an idea.
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Ballot access....
If you plan on voting for Mr. Baldwin, you need to make sure he will be on your states ballot - the constitution party was only on 28 states ballots in 2004 - unless a whole lot of work is done by a whole lot of volunteers, it wont be much different this time around. This is why the libertarian party is a better vehicle to make difference this year - they will be on the ballot in at least 48 states.
Ballot access.
http://www.constitutionpa...
In a normal year, without a
In a normal year, without a sellout of principles, I might agree with you on the Libertarian Party.
I noticed a movement toward being 'GOP Lite' in the LP starting in 2006. I doubt you were paying attention then. I don't think you are paying attention now. There's no point in voting Libertarian if they don't stand for anything anymore.
I voted Libertarian in the last two presidential election cycles. I won't be doing it this time; at least not for the top of the ticket. I'm voting Constitution Party.
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There's another good reason
There's another good reason to vote for Chuck Baldwin: Federal matching funds. If the Constitution Party gets more than 5% of the vote, it qualifies.
Hence, if Chuck Baldwin does well, he strengthens his party without winning the election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
The better the percentage of the vote a Third Party gets in combination with individual contributions, the more money in the next presidential election cycle. Hence, if we supported Baldwin with "money bombs" plus got the party over the 5% barrier, in 2012 the Constitution Party would be showered with millions of dollars.
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Baldwin has no chance of
Baldwin has no chance of getting 5% of the vote. Its more likely that he'll get 0.5% He should claim victory if 5% of voters know who he is by election day.
Because the CP is so small its nomination is almost worthless.
Baldwin Has A Great Chance
to do very well - because of the Ron Paul Freedom Message
he runs on - it is not about RP or CB
it has always been about voting for the Constitution and things
associated with it and those issues!
It is the 2 major parties that are going to suffer -
the GOP in particular for not figuring out that RP was the best
candidate - and for lousy treatment of RP himself all of his awesome
delegates and his supporters....
The Fall of the GOP 2008
and the Dems take a hit too!
Hey Bob
So, should we 'not throw our vote away' by voting for a less appealing, more 'popular' candidate? Cause that's what our founding fathers would have done, right?
Voting for the candidate who'd obey the US Constitution is NOT throwing a vote away. It's the only sensible vote.
Who are you going to vote for Bob? Mr. Barr, who voted for the USA un-Patriot Act? Obama? McCain? Nader? Some other global socialist?
Why not make your vote count instead? Help get Chuck Baldwin and the CP over that mythical 0.5% you claim will happen...if Ron Paul doesn't happen to be on the ballot.
My post was responding to
My post was responding to Kevin's that voting for Baldwin would help him get to the 5% level needed to get federal matching funds. I didn't make any comment about throwing away a vote. I've voted for people who didn't have a pray (like Ron Paul in '88) but I didn't do it believing that the candidate had a chance of doing well. A protest vote is fine but don't think you're doing more than casting a protest vote.
You underestimate the power
You underestimate the power of our movement. If WE made it happen, Chuck Baldwin could bust 5% easily. I believe the primaries only tapped a fraction of the voters in our movement
The voter turnout for McJoke is going to be very low. Very low.
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You overestimate the
You overestimate the American electorate. In '06 the LP nominated a great candidate in my district for Congress. Even people who disagreed with him on the issues admitted he won every debate. On election day he received less than 1% of the vote. I hope I'm wrong but I've been down this path before. Americans just don't like voting for minor parties. I'm willing to back up my opinion with a wager. How about you?
I like Baldwin!
I don’t understand the buzz about Barr; I doubt he would really do too much to guarantee anybody’s freedom. We really should rally around Chuck.
--Cliff, Sioux City, Iowa
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I LOVE Chuck Baldwin
I've loved Chuck Baldwin for years, and with Ron Paul himself saying he doesn't want us to waste our votes writing him in, my plan right now is to vote for Chuck Baldwin.
Chuck's an honest man, a
Chuck's an honest man, a principled man, and an intelligent writer (which means he can write his own speeches, unlike most politicians).
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Ron Paul 4 Prez
but if not, RP will be very effective in congress if he has a constitutionalist President and VP. Baldwin would be my first choice, although I would like to hear how much morality he expects the federal government to enforce, and how that can be justified through the constitution.
I am a Christian but if the government enforces my Christian morality today, maybe tomorrow it will enforce someone elses idea of morality. That other religion may consider Christians as infidels and demand that they be beheaded for their faith. I do not want our government, nor any other religion to have that kind of power.
But if I had to decide today..it would be Chuck Baldwin, hands down. ( I have been convinced by other bloggers that a write-in would be a wasted vote when we have 3rd party choices).
We can be loyal to RP as our mentor but the R3VOLution is much bigger than one man and that is how RP wants it.
why don't we just hold our horses for now?
We've got time to think this over, and things can happen. I like Baldwin, too, but he has zero experience in government, so is a poor substitute for RP on a presidential run. (I still may vote for him; I'm just being realistic.)
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Zero experience in government, huh?
An honest, strict constitutionalist with no experince huh?
Sounds like EXACTLY the man I want in charge. If I can't vote for RP for president, Chuck has my vote as of right now.
why in the hell is everyone
why in the hell is everyone so hot on having experience in government! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DON'T NEED! ALL WE NEED IS AN HONEST MAN WHO FOLLOWS THE FRIGGIN CONSTITUTION! I don't want some idiot who has had the damn lobbyists etc in there ear.. I want someone who is new! ZERO EXPERIENCE IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.. THEN WHEN Baldwin gets his 8 years experience he leaves washington never to return.. this should be the way it is for all the other 530 morons who make a career out of politics! excluding Ron Paul ofcourse!
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an answer to your angry question
...unless we want to get into double digits. *You* might want to put a political newbie in the WH, but that's not the majority view.
It's not the thoughtful voter we need to worry about.
One reason people got so excited about RP running is that he *isn't* a DC newbie (but he also has remained one of us). That gave him more "conventional wisdom" credibility than most patriots who run for the office.
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Because if you're going to
Because if you're going to take apart a machine, being a mechanic might be a good idea.
Exactly John
Nader is the only civil libertarian left that has experience dealing with the machine. Would you throw a stranger off of the street into the cockpit of an Apache helicopter and expect him or her to know how to fly it? No, so what besides the fact that Baldwin talks about what Ron Paul talks about, qualifies Baldwin to be President? If believing the majority of what RP says is all you need, then most of us here at the DP should be President right?
The President of the United
The President of the United States is a leader who uses Staff and a Cabinet to get things done, and speaks from a bully pulpit. He does not need to know the nuts and bolts of legislative government to do the job. Those things would help, to be sure, but they are not prerequisites. Intellect itself is not even a prerequisite for the job, or Bush would not still be in office today. He can barely speak in complete sentences.
However, let's say your right, and experience "dealing with the machine" is vitally necessary to be President.
The first thing I would say is that you phrased your terminology in that manner because Ralph Nader has never held an elective government office. Not even Mayor or city councilman, to my knowledge. He is not an experienced politician; he is a political activist. He goes to Washington frequently but has never been elected to office there. He has run for President five times and lost every time. In fact, you could say the only hands-on elective political experience he has is the art of losing elections.
He is an author, activist, and habitual founder of non-profit organizations.
What experience did you say he's had flying that "Apache helicopter" again?
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I think people are absorbing
I think people are absorbing the sound bites from the BARRage of Libertarian Party propaganda being put on this web Forum.
"Hey, I like Chuck Baldwin, but he has zero experience in government (unlike my man Bob Barr, here, who has so much experience on Capitol Hill that he voted to water down the Patriot Act by voting FOR it)."
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fighting for our Constitutional rights is all we need in DC. I agree.
Politics definition= poli (many) ticks (blood-sucking) = many bloodsuckers in DC.
lol thats a good 1! as for
lol thats a good 1!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD