Ron Paul says it on National Tv: "Chuck Baldwin's views are very close to mine, he worked very hard for my campaign"
Posted June 17th, 2008 by NotOverYet
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In response to the usual question: "Will you endorse Bob Barr?"
Dr. Paul responds by praising Dr. Chuck Baldwin
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Chuck Baldwin is One of Us! this is why I am supporting all the way. He was out with us in the front lines. If youre not writing in Ron Paul I think it is good to be faithful to our own and show them that we really appreciate what they did for Ron Paul. The Constitution Party was a Ron Paul love fest. No Im not a CP member and never heard of it untill Ron Paul showed up. But this year Im planning to support them for supporting Ron Paul.
Heres the nomination of the CP where they rejected Alan Keyes and called him an Enemy to Ron Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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A country whithout gambling???
After reading one of the links below, an article by Chuck Baldwin, I have serious doubts about this man. The part about a country whithout gambling, followed in the next line by a country whithout government intrusion. That's hypocritical. Also, all the baby murder language, will not help in converting people to be pro-life. It's like I've said in other posts, We need to combine with other parties and political philosophies to actually win! As LibBerte always says, pass the torch, don't throw it! We need more troops! You're not gonna change hearts and minds on abortion if the sides don't compromise on issue like Iraq and civil liberties. Maybe some of your ideals will rub off on others if you reach out to them in a peaceful manner. Whithout some sort of unity, we will ALL be hiding behind our ideological walls, screaming at each other, while millions of innocent people get blown the F$#% up because we just couldn't agree on anything!
We all as American Citizens(left, center, right and inbetween) are responsible for this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...
Looks like Oklahoma is the only state so far
that is not getting ballot access.
Constitution party information, be sure it's on your state ballot:
http://www.constitutionpa...
I have begun to tell others
I have begun to tell others about Chuck Baldwin. I will vote for him in the fall, unless a miracle happens and we can vote for Ron Paul. I have listened closely to Ron Paul, and he does not endorse anyone for president-I think he is very wise to expect people to use their own minds. If the christians would be more supportive of Chuck Baldwin, he may stand a chance, but unfortunately, most christians believe in voting for the "lesser of 2 evils". I will vote my conscience in the Fall. If there is any way to vote for Ron Paul, I will be ecstatic, but otherwise I will vote for Chuck Baldwin.
Im sure Huckabees supporters will find Baldwin a good deal
the problem is how to get the word out to them? We need to concentrate on all the states Huckabee won where the evangelicals vote in droves. This is how we will break 5%
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
I gotta know
Can anybody tell me whether or not the Constitution Party is even gonna be on the Texas ballot in November? Their website says they are now going to be on the ballot in all 50 states, but a young fellow delegate at Houston, who left the CP to join our merry little revolution, told me that it wasn't gonna happen in Texas this time around. And he impressed me as probably knowing what he was talking about. I've been wanting a chance to vote CP since Howard Phillips announced in ' 92 and haven't been able to. Here's something to ruminate on for those that tend to find an excuse to not vote for Baldwin or Barr because of a plank or two in their respective party platforms. Didn't we all disregard a certain party platform in order to support Dr. Paul?
The simple fact is, from this point on our vote is a protest vote and it doesn't matter if it's Barr or Baldwin really. It's not about this election anymore. It's about influencing the next one by making sure that the Libertarian and Constitution Party's percentage of the votes in November are large enough to damage the Republican vote percentage. Remember Perot's 18 or 19% in ' 92 and him continually stressing the deficit and the national debt? I can't remember for sure, but did he do a little ranting about term limits too? Newt and the boys' Contract with America and all the rhetoric about balancing the federal budget, that put a Republican majority in the House in ' 94 were a direct result of Perot's vote percentage in the general election of ' 92. Dr. Paul's fundraising abilities were impressive to these guys, but votes (votes = power) are what really impress them. Large third party vote totals have changed policy in the past and will do it again. Go back to the early 20th century and check the Socialist Party's percentage and go forward to the Democratic Party platform and you will see what I'm talking about. Don't anybody kid yourself, the rise of a third party scares the shit out of the duopoly.
Ballot information for Constitution party
http://www.constitutionpa...
WTF is the deal with
WTF is the deal with Oklahoma??? Deadline past! Some of these state won't allow them to start yet and Oklahoma's deadline has past?!? WTF!
... aren't they seceding from the union? If so they better do it before November.
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...
Let me put it this way
I'm all for reshaping the Republican Party to what it use to be, or hopefully an even more liberty minded organization. But, for those of you that understand construction, anytime you try to rebuild a structure or remodel it there is a certain amount of demolition that has to take place. The current party has a pretty sound foundation but there is some definite redecorating that needs to take place and a few additions that need to be done away with. And there's some that need to be added to make room for an expanding family, because those old additions were built on a poor foundation and are not suitable for occupancy anymore. There's some closets that need airing out and a fresh coat of paint, and there's some that need to be opened up and incorporated into the living space. It's definitely got to be re-wired and re-plumbed and I do believe there's a re-roofing project involved. If the current inhabitants have fooled around and allowed the structure to become uninhabitable the project may involve razing the entire building and starting over from the ground up. That's gonna end up being the current occupants' call. The remodelers are here, and we're ready to go to work to build a sound structure on a truly constituional foundation that will serve generations to come.
I hope that's not too corny for you guys.
I think a vote for Baldwin
I think a vote for Baldwin or Barr is a vote for Ron Paul and we should welcome both.
I would like to see a respectful debate about the two here at the daily paul as I don't know much about either of them. I know Barr is a recent convert to "the message" on some issues. I don't think that should be held against him. I was a neocon a few years ago as well. Now I know. I am not happy about what I hear about Root and the Lieberman connections.
Balwin is sounding good to me. It seems like he would carry the torch for Dr. Paul, as long as his Christian morals don't affect my Poker playing!
I think a vote for either is a win for us in November. We are Libertarian-leaning constitutionalists who represent the old school republican party. why fight about it?
Poker playing
The Poker Players Alliance gave Baldwin an 'F' rating. It gave Barr, as well as Paul an 'A+' rating. http://theengineer.pokerp...
In this article, Baldwin fantasizes about gambling being illegal in the U.S., saying, "Can you imagine a country without legalized gambling?" http://www.constitutionpa...
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sounds like a paradox to be
sounds like a paradox to be for freedom and against someone gambling. I have to admit I am a responsible gambler and know when to call it quits. Problem is there are so many who don't know how to stop. BUT that's not my problem. There are so many addictions aout there that the government can't control even if they wanted to.
Against it personally or politically
Ron Paul has stated that he is personally against prostitution, but he does not believe that there should be a federal law against it. Could Baldwin's position be the same here? He may fantasize about ending gambling (as I do due to the actual costs to our society), but he realizes that it truly is a state issue that should not be addressed at the federal level. Does anyone have more information on his position?
I give Barr an 'F' on the
I give Barr an 'F' on the Bill of Rights and upholding his Oath of Office.
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I give him an A+
for getting the sunset provisions in the Patriot Act. He voted Yes for the Patriot Act after it had already passed, in order to get in the committee to put the sunset provisions in. He deserves a medal for that.
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Would that be before or after
you gave him a back rub. I bet he'd give you an A+ too if you know what I mean... Wink Wink!
It was an act of betrayal.
It was an act of betrayal.
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Only in your perverse
sense of rectitude.
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There's nothing perverse
There's nothing perverse about expecting a Congressman to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
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This is going to be fun and
This is going to be fun and educational. : ) Can you give me an exampe?
Need it be said again? The
Need it be said again? The USA Patriot Act betrayal of 2001.
I can assure you it will be educational, but it will not be fun for Barr supporters. Their flimsy lies and obfuscations that he was trying to "water it down" by voting for it do not ring true.
I don't care what his current position on the issue is, or what his so-called apologies that I've never read were like. In our darkest hour, when Ron Paul was taking a stand against the act and attempting to warn others about it, Bob Barr stabbed the Founding Fathers in the back like a dirty little coward.
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I see the error and I agree
I see the error and I agree with you. Do you think it is possible for even Barr to change his mind about the Patriot act and wake up? He says it was a mistake. I think it is possible. The question is whether or not to believe the transformation is genuine.
All I am saying is that not everyone was smart enough or cared enough to know all the things they may know now. I am talking about myself and others we want to convert.
Yes, it's possible for him
Yes, it's possible for him to change his views, but what about trust? He's already betrayed the Founding Documents willingfully and in a calculated fashion once.
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Excellent Point
You make an excellent point here. We need to be careful that we do not condemn Barr because of past mistakes, because many of us made those exact same mistakes.
That being said, I would rather have a leader that avoided such mistakes in the first place. It shows a strength of character, conviction, and a higher level of knowledge that embody what I want in my next president.
Thank you and that makes
Thank you and that makes sense. While it was not my job to be in Congress and know the Constitution inside and out, it should have been expected of Barr to know the Patriot Act was bad.
duff good point you also answered the question you raised
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
Paul has his mistakes too
He voted to give the president the authority to decide by himself whether to invade Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban and capture/kill terrorists. That's transfering Congress' power to declare war over to the president. It's unconstitutional. I'm sure he regrets it.
There was only one vote against it, and unfortunately, this time it wasn't his.
We need to stop looking for perfection. Everybody is human and makes mistakes, including Dr. Paul. The problem is if someone doesn't move on to correct their mistakes and change.
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Are we going to do this all
Are we going to do this all summer? I know RP shouldn't tell us what to do, but damn.... Why can't he be someone's VP at least.
Barr vs Baldwin
I must admit that I lean heavily toward Baldwin, because I learned about him early on through the Ron Paul campaign. He has been an outspoken advocate for Ron Paul from the onset of this campaign. He pulled together pastors to hear Ron Paul speak, and he himself spoke quite eloquently on Ron Paul's positions. In fact, may I say that he is a far better speaker than Ron Paul -- though only Ron Paul has a lifetime of dedicated service and experience in Washington.
My problem with Barr is that I had not heard of him until it appeared that Ron Paul was not going to win. He wasn't around last fall when we were building support for Ron Paul like Baldwin was. It seems to me that the biggest advantages for Barr at this point is support and experience in Washington. Baldwin, for all of this convictions, does not have experience in congress, and at this point, Barr appears to have more support as a Libertarian candidate.
Yet, there is still a nagging suspicion of trouble with Barr. Again, he was mostly silent throughout Ron Paul's campaign. He has changed his mind on some major issues which causes some doubt in my mind -- especially in regard to the Patriot Act. I also know more about the character of Baldwin whereas the character of Barr is still a mystery to me.
So support and experience versus known character and constancy. Thoughts?
Not Sure I Would Say Troll
since Dr Paul has suspended (dropped out)
it is clear from hearing RP in several interviews speaking
very highly of Chuck Baldwin - you have to admit
that is who he agrees with and favors most.
Plus, since RP says write in votes are no good-
they will be wasteful - we have to vote for a 3rd Party candidate....
make your own choice - I hope everyone agrees we can not
vote for Obama or McCain -
Baldwin gets my vote - because since this campaign began
it was all about the message - NOT the party etc...
See you in September - MN.
Here come the Baldwin trolls
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wait a minute St Agnes
You spent all last week saying that the only reason youre peddling Barr is because he has a better chance of getting the freedom message into the debates than Baldwin- and here Ron Paul is coming about as close to endorsing Baldwin as is possible (he sure shifted Blitzers name-drop topic from Barr to Baldwin in a hurry) so if youre honestly just wanting us to vote to get the message of freedom in the debate- why arent you trolling for Baldwin ?- youll get alot more positive reaction as HIS voting record dosnt suck - on the contrary he's actually looking pretty good. You dont want a protest vote- youre trolling for your PARTY. Just come out and admit it. If Baldwin was a Libertarian youd be picking Barr apart.
once again you push people
once again you push people away from barr! don't you see what your doing? or you bent out of shape because Ron Put in such nice words about Baldwin.. lol i remember all those.. Ron Paul said Barr would be a good president malarky! now it seems to me that Paul actually likes Baldwin more from that interview! anyone else see it that way?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
I agree sierra thnk you. this behavior is unacceptable
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
Possibly
I can see how his wording could convey more support for Baldwin, but we need to be careful not to read too much into that. The basic gist I got out of it at this point is that they are both candidate who share many of his views. I am not sure that Ron Paul himself has actually decided between them, and there may be a multitude of reasons for that. This is why I would love to see an intelligent debate regarding these two candidates so we can all make an informed decision between them.
Does anyone know what Barr's views are regarding abortion? I did not see anything on his website.
Abortion
There is a video up there now on the front page where he answers a question about abortion. It's toward the end of the video.
It's the same as Dr. Paul. He says he's pro-life and wants the Federal government to stay out of it and leave it to the states.
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true it should be left to
true it should be left to the states but it STOPPING THE FEDERAL FUNDING... THAT IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT CAN DO!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Baldwin on the other hand said he will introduce Ron Paul's
Sanctity of Life Act defining life at conception without having to bring the supreme court into ruling on the lives of millions of innocent babies killed. which would end the abortion problem once and forever
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
What is Barr's position on that?
That is one of the big reasons why I support Baldwin. To me, abortion is a very important issue as it deals directly with the most important of the inalienable rights: life. Our president should have a strong appreciation for all life as they, more than anyone else in our country, will be faced with the most difficult life and death decisions. Someone who has a poor regard of life should not be allowed to make such decisions.
It was a joke, dude.
I've been called a "Barr troll" plenty of times. Why would I be hypocritical by attacking people for pushing candidates here? I was just showing the irony.
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you were called a Barr troll not by Baldwin supporters
But by Ron Paul supporters. None of us joined the Daily Paul to support Chuck Baldwin.
You were also promoting and spamming Barr material and asking us to leave Ron Paul on his own when he was still running. So dont twist the facts pls
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
No he was not running
The primaries were over. And he had already said he was not going to run in the general election.
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Irony
I find it ironic that you label people who like Baldwin "trolls" and then proceed to attack 9/11 Truthers and tell them not to support Barr. That is the very definition of a troll: making a comment that will illicit strong responses.
Ron Paul himself has expressed support for both Barr and Baldwin as they are "friends" that he finds difficult to choose between. Baldwin comes the closest to my ideals and I believe he matches Ron Paul's position more closely than Barr. Further, and granted this is not a great reason, I am hesitant to support Barr simply because it seems that the media prefers him. Since I distrust the media implicitly, I get a little nervous when they promote anyone. ;-)
As both Barr and Baldwin support many of the views of Ron Paul, I think it is perfectly valid to discuss the merits of both of these candidates. If we cannot discuss them here, then where can we?
It's an inside joke, actually
The Baldwin people call people pushing Barr "Barr trolls," so I was just repaying the favor to show the irony.
I have no problem with people pushing other presidential candidates, since Dr. Paul is not running in the general election.
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Chuck Baldwin campaigned for
I consider you calling me a "Baldwin Troll" a badge of honor. Thanks for the compliment!
Chuck Baldwin campaigned for Ron Paul and endorsed him. He referenced Ron Paul in his acceptance speech at the Constitution Party convention.
Chuck Baldwin is part of this movement as far as I'm concerned.
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wow thats disgusting Justcantgetenough. Baldwin trolls?
While you were blatantly trying to turn this into the daily Barr when Ron Paul was still running, me and other Ron Paul Republicans waited untill he officially suspended his campaign and told Lew Rockwell a Write-in isnt a good idea.
You can call me a troll but Im sure you are opressing me because I dont support Bob Barr and am not intending on turning this place to the daily Barr.
I hope other good Barr supporters correct you dude
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
lol... beside a few of us
lol... beside a few of us saying we like Baldwin in a few posts, this is the first full post about Baldwin I have seen.. unlike your trolling... get a clue dude!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
unless there is a miracle
unless there is a miracle and Ron Paul becomes the Republican Nominee... Chuck Baldwin has my vote! along with 23 other members of my family!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Let us not forget our delegates and keep faith in them
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at the convention. We don't want them to think that we are not behind them by already admitting defeat and looking for substitutions. I know it is good to be prepared for what if scenarios, we must remain focused on Paul until the convention is what I believe. The morale of our delegates depends on this.
Im with you all the way. This is just to help support Baldwin
gain ballot access before its too late. Baldwin is also One of US
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul
I think Ron is in the same spot as all of us.
He likes Chuck's positions better, but Barr has a lot better chance of spreading the message to more people. It is the same debate the Libertarians just had: principle vs. pragmatism. What is better? That 10 million people vote for 90% of the message, or that 1 million people vote for 100% of the message.