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White Supremacists and Ron Paul

I first wanted want to make it clear that I have Native American Blood in me. I also have a lot of other blood that may or may not be the blood that many Ron Paul supporters would call "pure American blood." I have children with even less pure blood. Tell the truth movement, I said I do not like their brand of truth, if it means that I am on their list of those who are not Americans. It is easy to see how propaganda works. You build a consensus on issues where most everyone agrees but where there is dissonance, you brush that gut feeling aside, while you are caught up in the fervor of some new idea added to the agenda of those espousing "truth." This is how I felt about Ron Paul until it came to the immigration issue. When and if the Ron Paul Movement gains traction, to the point of electing those of his same stripe, will you go along with the less attractive and racist agenda they will endorse?

A White Supremacists who held a $2,000 a plate fund raising dinner for Dr. Ron Paul has this to say to me and my children-

“No person shall be a citizen of the United States unless he is a non-Hispanic white of the European race, in whom there is no ascertainable trace of Negro blood, nor more than one-eighth Mongolian, Asian, Asia Minor, Middle Eastern, Semitic, Near Eastern, American Indian, Malay or other non-European or non-white blood, provided that Hispanic whites, defined as anyone with an Hispanic ancestor, may be citizens if, in addition to meeting the aforesaid ascertainable trace and percentage tests, they are in appearance indistinguishable from Americans whose ancestral home is in the British Isles or Northwestern Europe. Only citizens shall have the right and privilege to reside permanently in the United States.” - Bill Johnson

Dr. Ron Paul broke bread with racists and only after loud calls for him to disassociate himself from Bill Johnson did he withdraw his support for Bill Johnson. Ron Paul never gave that money back to those White Supremacists and if you think there is not more money where that came from, think again. Ron Paul built his political career on the backs of White Supremacists. His newsletters from the 90's are filled with bigotry and racism. Do the least little research and you will find where Ron Paul's views about immigration came from. You may agree with him today about immigration, but when Ron Paul and his supporters are in power, watch the concentration camps he rightly recognizes are out there...fill up with people with various shades of brown skin,

As for me, never, and I mean never, will I ever vote for a Republican again. I was fooled by Reagen and I did vote for him during his first term. That ended it for me. The Middle Class took the hit. The mentally ill, now homeless, were put out into the street. Americans no longer had retirements or benefits. The safety net has been eroding ever since Reagan and little by little, the Bill of Rights has eroded until there will only be scraps of America left for the poor Whites, Hispanics, and Blacks to wrestle over. Ron Paul wants there to be a Bill of Rights but for whom? Who will meet the status of U.S. Citizen when Ron Paul and his supporters take over the reigns of government? I will not pass the Bill Johnson test. It may be you that passes the test for the protections given by the Constitution and Bill of Rights but if you believe as I do, that Ron Paul takes money from racists like Bill Johnson, that doesn't mean me or my children will have your Rights.

It may not be popular to speak out against a populist amongst an army of populists but I can do no other. I will support Ron Paul when he opposes war but when he starts talking about immigration brother... my ancestors' blood was spilled in Oklahoma... My brown skinned children are not yours to send anywhere. When you start talking your rubbish about sending my children back to Mexico brother, you better believe I am going to speak out.

If you believe that Libertarianism is the answer, you already have it. Corporate Libertarians are running roughshod over the middle class and taking all of their meager assets. Libertarians and Ron Paul want there to be no environmental laws. They are getting their wish. Ron Paul wishes for there to be no minimum wage. The minimum wage now is at a ridiculously paltry amount. Why does he not support an increase to a living minimum wage? If you don't want illegal immigrants, support wages that can support an American Family. When inflation is at 15% and your wage stays the same, that is called a pay cut. Ron Paul is opposed to unions. The only good paying labor jobs in America today and in the past are there because of unions. What do these things mean for you if you want to live in a place that respects the dignity of human life? Do you want toxic polluters dumping their filth in your backyard? Do you wish for your children to work for less than a minimum wage? Do you want to abolish unions so that the market of China and Nicaragua determines your wages and benefits? Libertarians are opposed to the protections of these things.

I want to make it clear. I believe in the right to bear arms, but I am not a gun lover who is storing up ammunition and weapons to stop the brown people from invading America. I own no guns. If you kill me, White, Black, Brown, or Green, I will go on to the light of love but while I live, I will say my sayings. America was already invaded by Europeans and Europeans took America with a kind of hatred that is being evoked today by the Ron Paul anti-immigration supporters. I will not let you take my brown skinned children without me saying my piece. Think again before you support another anti-immigration populist with broad support from White Supremacists. The people of Germany looked the other way as the Brown Shirts dragged away those that were not of "pure blood" and those who spoke out against them. What will you do?

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“Ron Paul Political Report” October 1992, the writer describes carjacking as the “hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos.”

The author then offers advice from others on how to avoid being carjacked, including “an ex-cop I know,” and says, “I frankly don’t know what to make of such advice, but even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I’ve urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming.-Ron Paul

"Libertarians are incapable of being a racist, because racism is a collectivist idea."- Ron Paul

“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.” -Ron Paul

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”- Ron Paul

“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.” Ron Paul

“The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.” -Ron Paul

“The criminals who terrorize our cities—in riots and on every non-riot day—are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to “fight the power,” and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against ‘The Man.’ And ‘The Woman.’’” -Ron Paul

“My friend waved to the tiny [African-American] child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): “I hate you, white honkey.” And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way?” -Ron Paul

“But this is normal, and in fact benign, compared to much of the anti-white ideology in the thoroughly racist black community. The black leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history and phony theory to bolster its claims of victimology.” -Ron Paul

“Korean-Americans, hated by blacks, never riot, and in fact are some of the most productive people in America.” -Ron Paul

“The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism.” -Ron Paul

“We must not kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.” Ron Paul

“Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.” -Ron Paul

“Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.” -Ron Paul

“Blacks have ‘civil rights,’ preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black TV shows, black TV anchors, black scholarships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda." -Ron Paul

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew; And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up." -Pastor Martin Niemöller

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I know I really shouldn't feed this troll, but...

The articles in Ron Paul's newsletter back in the 90s were not written by him. He wasn't even in Washington D.C. at the time, he was working as a doctor. Paul does not agree with those articles.

Paul may have found himself at a fund raising dinner given by a white supremacist (I have no idea whether this tale of yours is true) but if so I strongly suspect he didn't know Bill Johnson's racial views when he went there. Paul does not have any plans to deny citizenship to non-whites and is the last person to want to put anybody into concentration camps. Frankly, this sounds like a libel from the Obama campaign.

Paul's stand on immigration is simply that he's against people breaking our immigration laws. We already get more legal immigration than every other country on earth combined. We don't need the illegals. That's not a racist position, although the media and La Raza will always try to spin it that way.

If we didn't have illegal immigrants the resulting "labor shortage" would force wages up for American citizens without any need for a minimum wage. Those corporations you love to rail against are all in favor of illegal immigration because it provides them with cheap labor for those few jobs that can't be outsourced. When I see how nearly all Democrats favor illegal immigration too I realize they are no friend of working class American citizens.

No doubt there are a handful of white supremacists who backed Paul, although Paul is no white supremacist himself. But for every such person I'm sure there are at least 5 black supremacists voting for Obama. Starting with Farrakhan, who got a "life time achievement" award from Obama's church. Does that make Obama a black supremacist?

No critical thinking going on threre

I still support many of Ron Pauls' views. Just not his views on race and immigration This is where we part company. I hope you will read the article and
chase down the truth for yourself. Ron Paul made hundreds of thousands of dollars from those racist newsletters and he certainly cashed the check Those articles were pinned in his name. He cashed the checks. Dr. Ron Paul owns those words or he would not have waited ten years to deny it

Who Wrote Ron Paul's Newsletters?

Libertarian movement veterans, and a Paul campaign staffer, say it was "paleolibertarian" strategist Lew Rockwell

Julian Sanchez and David Weigel | January 16, 2008

Ron Paul doesn't seem to know much about his own newsletters. The libertarian-leaning presidential candidate says he was unaware, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, of the bigoted rhetoric about African Americans and gays that was appearing under his name. He told CNN last week that he still has "no idea" who might have written inflammatory
comments such as "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks"—statements he now repudiates. Yet in interviews with reason, a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists—including some still close to Paul—all named the same man as Paul's chief ghostwriter: Ludwig von Mises Institute founder Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr.

Financial records from 1985 and 2001 show that Rockwell, Paul's congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982, was a vice president of Ron Paul & Associates, the corporation that published the Ron Paul Political Report and the Ron Paul Survival Report. The company was dissolved in 2001. During the period when the most incendiary items appeared—roughly 1989 to 1994—Rockwell and the prominent libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard championed an open strategy of exploiting racial and class resentment to build a coalition with populist "paleoconservatives," producing a flurry of articles and manifestos whose racially charged talking points and vocabulary mirrored the controversial Paul newsletters recently unearthed by The New Republic. To this day Rockwell remains a friend and advisor to Paul—accompanying him to major media appearances; promoting his candidacy on the LewRockwell.com blog; publishing his books; and peddling an array of the avuncular Texas congressman's recent writings and audio recordings.

Rockwell has denied responsibility for the newsletters' contents to The New Republic's Jamie Kirchick. Rockwell twice declined to discuss the matter with reason, maintaining this week that he had "nothing to say." He has characterized discussion of the newsletters as "hysterical smears aimed at political enemies" of The New Republic. Paul himself called the controversy "old news" and "ancient history" when we reached him last week, and he has not responded to further request for comment.

But a source close to the Paul presidential campaign told reason that Rockwell authored much of the content of the Political Report and Survival Report. "If Rockwell had any honor he'd come out and I say, ‘I wrote this stuff,'" said the source, who asked not to be named because Paul remains friendly with Rockwell and is reluctant to assign responsibility for the letters. "He should have done it 10 years ago."

Rockwell was publicly named as Paul's ghostwriter as far back as a 1988 issue of the now-defunct movement monthly American Libertarian. "This was based on my understanding at the time that Lew would write things that appeared in Ron's various newsletters," former AL editor Mike Holmes told reason. "Neither Ron nor Lew ever told me that, but other people close to them such as Murray Rothbard suggested that Lew was involved, and it was a common belief in libertarian circles."

Individualist-feminist Wendy McElroy, who on her blog characterized the author as an associate of hers for many years, called the ghostwriter's identity "an open secret within the circles in which I run." Though she declined to name names either on her blog or when contacted by reason, she later approvingly cited a post naming Rockwell at the anonymous blog RightWatch.

Timothy Wirkman Virkkala, formerly the managing editor of the libertarian magazine Liberty, told reason that the names behind the Political Report were widely known in his magazine's offices as well, because Liberty's late editor-in-chief, Bill Bradford, had discussed the newsletters with the principals, and then with his staff. "I understood that Burton S. Blumert was the moneybags that got all this started, that he was the publisher," Virkkala said. "Lew Rockwell, editor and chief writer; Jeff Tucker, assistant, probably a writer; Murray Rothbard, cheering from the sidelines, probably ghosting now and then." (Virkkala has offered his own reaction to the controversy at his Web site.) Blumert, Paul's 1988 campaign chairman and a private supporter this year, did not respond to a request for an interview; Rothbard died in 1995. We reached Tucker, now editorial vice president of Rockwell's Mises.org, at his office, and were told: "I just really am not going to make a statement, I'm sorry. I'll take all responsibility for being the editor of Mises.org, OK?"

The early 1990s writings became liabilities for Paul long before last week's New Republic story. Back in 1996, Paul narrowly eked out a congressional victory over Democrat Lefty Morris, who made the newsletters one of his main campaign issues, damning them both for their racial content and for their advocacy of drug legalization. At the time, Paul defended the statements that appeared under his name, claiming that they expressed his "philosophical differences" with Democrats and had been "taken out of context." He finally disavowed them in a 2001 interview with Texas Monthly, explaining that his campaign staff had convinced him at the time that it would be too "confusing" to attribute them to a ghostwriter.

Besides Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell, the officers of Ron Paul & Associates included Paul's wife Carol, Paul's daughter Lori Pyeatt, Paul staffer Penny Langford-Freeman, and longtime campaign manager Mark Elam (who has managed every Paul congressional campaign since 1996 and is currently the Texas coordinator for the presidential run), according to tax records from 1993 and 2001. Langford-Freeman did not respond to interview requests as of press time. Elam, president of M&M Graphics and Advertising, confirmed to reason that his company printed the newsletters, but said that the texts reached him as finished products.

The publishing operation was lucrative. A tax document from June 1993—wrapping up the year in which the Political Report had published the "welfare checks" comment on the L.A. riots—reported an annual income of $940,000 for Ron Paul & Associates, listing four employees in Texas (Paul's family and Rockwell) and seven more employees around the country. If Paul didn't know who was writing his newsletters, he knew they were a crucial source of income and a successful tool for building his fundraising base for a political comeback.

The tenor of Paul's newsletters changed over the years. The ones published between Paul's return to private life after three full terms in congress (1985) and his Libertarian presidential bid (1988) notably lack inflammatory racial or anti-gay comments. The letters published between Paul's first run for president and his return to Congress in 1996 are another story—replete with claims that Martin Luther King "seduced underage girls and boys," that black protesters should gather "at a food stamp bureau or a crack house" rather than the Statue of Liberty, and that AIDS sufferers "enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick."

Eric Dondero, Paul's estranged former volunteer and personal aide, worked for Paul on and off between 1987 and 2004 (back when he was named "Eric Rittberg"), and since the Iraq war has become one of the congressman's most vociferous and notorious critics. By Dondero's account, Paul's inner circle learned between his congressional stints that "the wilder they got, the more bombastic they got with it, the more the checks came in. You think the newsletters were bad? The fundraising letters were just insane from that period." Cato Institute President Ed Crane told reason he recalls a conversation from some time in the late 1980s in which Paul claimed that his best source of congressional campaign donations was the mailing list for The Spotlight, the conspiracy-mongering, anti-Semitic tabloid run by the Holocaust denier Willis Carto until it folded in 2001.

The newsletters' obsession with blacks and gays was of a piece with a conscious political strategy adopted at that same time by Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard. After breaking with the Libertarian Party following the 1988 presidential election, Rockwell and Rothbard formed a schismatic "paleolibertarian" movement, which rejected what they saw as the social libertinism and leftist tendencies of mainstream libertarians. In 1990, they launched the Rothbard-Rockwell Report, where they crafted a plan they hoped would midwife a broad new "paleo" coalition.

Rockwell explained the thrust of the idea in a 1990 Liberty essay entitled "The Case for Paleo-Libertarianism." To Rockwell, the LP was a "party of the stoned," a halfway house for libertines that had to be "de-loused." To grow, the movement had to embrace older conservative values. "State-enforced segregation," Rockwell wrote, "was wrong, but so is State-enforced integration. State-enforced segregation was not wrong because separateness is wrong, however. Wishing to associate with members of one's own race, nationality, religion, class, sex, or even political party is a natural and normal human impulse."

The most detailed descriiption of the strategy came in an essay Rothbard wrote for the January 1992 Rothbard-Rockwell Report, titled "Right-Wing Populism: A Strategy for the Paleo Movement." Lamenting that mainstream intellectuals and opinion leaders were too invested in the status quo to be brought around to a libertarian view, Rothbard pointed to David Duke and Joseph McCarthy as models for an "Outreach to the Rednecks," which would fashion a broad libertarian/paleoconservative coalition by targeting the disaffected working and middle classes. (Duke, a former Klansman, was discussed in strikingly similar terms in a 1990 Ron Paul Political Report.) These groups could be mobilized to oppose an expansive state, Rothbard posited, by exposing an "unholy alliance of 'corporate liberal' Big Business and media elites, who, through big government, have privileged and caused to rise up a parasitic Underclass, who, among them all, are looting and oppressing the bulk of the middle and working classes in America."

Anyone with doubts about the composition of the "parasitic Underclass" could look to the regular "PC Watch" feature of the Report, in which Rockwell compiled tale after tale of thuggish black men terrifying petite white and Asian women. (Think Birth of a Nation crossed with News of the Weird.) The list of PC outrages in the February 1993 issue, for example, cited a Washington Post column on films that feature "plenty of interracial sex, and nobody noticing," a news article about black members of the Southern Methodist University marching band "engaged in mass shoplifting while in Japan," and a sob story about a Korean shop-owner who shot a black shoplifter and assailant in the head: The travesty is that Mrs. Du got five years probation, and must cancel a trip to Korea.

The populist outreach program centered on tax reduction, abolition of welfare, elimination of "the entire 'civil rights' structure, which tramples on the property rights of every American," and a police crackdown on "street criminals." "Cops must be unleashed," Rothbard wrote, "and allowed to administer instant punishment, subject of course to liability when they are in error." While they're at it, they should "clear the streets of bums and vagrants. Where will they go? Who cares?" To seal the deal with social conservatives, Rothbard urged a federalist compromise in their direction on "pornography, prostitution, or abortion." And because grassroots organizing is "plodding and boring," this new paleo coalition would need to be kick-started by "high-level, preferably presidential, political campaigns."

The presidential campaign Rothbard and Rockwell supported in 1988 was Ron Paul's run on the Libertarian Party ticket. In 1992, they were again ready to back Paul, until Pat Buchanan convinced the obstetrician to withdraw and back his conservative challenge to then-president Bush. "We have a dream," Rockwell wrote in that same January 1992 edition of RRR, "and perhaps someday it will come to pass. (Hell, if 'Dr.' King can have a dream, why can't we?) Our dream is that, one day, we Buchananites can present Mr. and Mrs. America, and all the liberal and conservative and centrist elites, with a dramatic choice....We can say: 'Look, gang: you have a choice, it's either Pat Buchanan or David Duke.'"

Carol Moore, a left-libertarian activist who opposed Rothbard, Rockwell, and Paul at the late 1980s Libertarian conventions that led to the paleo split, theorizes that the defeat made them bitter. "They had a tendency to be anti-PC," Moore told reason, "and it was really stepped up after they lost. They were really angry and not that funny."

They are less angry these days. Visitors to LewRockwell.com or Mises.org since 2001 are less likely to feel the need for a shower. One can almost detect what sounds like mellowing in Rockwell's reflections on the high and heady paleo days, unburdened by ominous warnings of the looming race war. Nowadays the fiery rhetoric is directed at the "pimply-faced" Kirchick, "Benito" Giuliani, and the "so-called 'libertarians'" at reason and Cato.

But perhaps the best refutation of the old approach is not the absence of race-baiting rhetoric from its progenitors, but the success of the 2008 Ron Paul phenomenon. The man who was once the Great Paleolibertarian Hope has built a broad base of enthusiastic supporters without resorting to venomous rhetoric or coded racism. He has stuck stubbornly to the issues of sound money, "humble foreign policy," and shrinking the state. He wraps up his speeches with a three-part paean to individualism: "I don't want to run your life," "I don't want to run the economy," and "I don't want to run the world." He talks about the disproportionate effect of the drug war on African-Americans, and appeared at a September 2007 Republican debate on black issues that was boycotted by the then-frontrunners. All this and more have brought him $30 million-plus from more than 100,000 donors; thousands of campaign volunteers; and the largest rallies he's ever spoken to, including a crowd of almost 5,000 in Philadelphia.

Yet those new supporters, many of whom are first encountering libertarian ideas through the Ron Paul Revolution, deserve a far more frank explanation than the campaign has as yet provided of how their candidate's name ended up atop so many ugly words. Ron Paul may not be a racist, but he became complicit in a strategy of pandering to racists—and taking "moral responsibility" for that now means more than just uttering the phrase. It means openly grappling with his own past—acknowledging who said what, and why. Otherwise he risks damaging not only his own reputation, but that of the philosophy to which he has committed his life.

Julian Sanchez is a contributing editor and David Weigel is an associate editor of reason.

- My Comment Below

For all the messiah worshipers of Dr. Ron Paul: Don't you think that if there was a newsletter sent to thousands of people every month- written in first person- with your signature as an endorsement on it pages-

1. You know about?
2. If you didn't write the articles then you would know who wrote them?
3. If you did know about them and received money for them, then you would want to make sure that they were in alignment with your own beliefs?
4. If they were written with racist and racially inflamatory remarks, you would disavow from them long before ten years later?
If you disagreed with the remarks, wouldn't you insist that the publisher stop publishing them in your name.
If the publisher refused, wouldn't you sue the publisher to end the racist remarks attributed to your name.

Let's get real Ron Paul Supporters. If it were you, what would you do?
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This troll spook has been on this forum 10 hours!

Why do you people keep bumping his post?

because it's entertaining to

because it's entertaining to see idiots make themselves look like themselves.

It's a shame.

The guy obviously knows little about Ron Paul and less about the movement, just what he is fed by the media.

is that unusual?

Knowing little about Ron Paul and less about the movement seems pretty typical for a DP poster, given the number who think believing 9/11 was an inside job is consistent with the movement, or how many understand the underlying philosophy so poorly they think Ralph Nader is a viable alternative (but Bob Barr is not), etc., etc.

The best we can do is try to educate everyone as best as we can, starting with recommending they read Ron Paul's book.

Having said that, Ron Paul in particular and libertarianism in general has a huge problem with tolerance of racism in the marketplace getting in the way of it becoming more accepted outside of the niche of white hetero males who are tolerant of such discrimination, largely probably because we are hardly affected by it.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Advocating for minarchical libertarianism since 1984...

Better to keep the money.

I would prefer he not give the money back, since if what you say is true, that would be supporting a racist.

Don't know for sure but...

I do know that if a wall is buildt between Mexico and the U.S. it will be used to keep Mexicans out but also can be used to keep us from excaping. Now that's scary!
grant

well said

we should rid unwanted immigration by making it less attractive, either make us more poor or make the more rich, otherwise they'll jump the wall if it meant risking being shot.

NAACP President Nelson Linder says Paul being smeared because...

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Rudi, I'm calling you out.

If you don't believe us, surely you'll take the word of a good man, Nelson Linder... Unless you're a minority who hates black people...

If this doesn't make you apologize to all of us, then my assumption is correct.
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NAACP President Nelson Linder says Paul being smeared because he is a threat to the establishment

NAACP President: Ron Paul Is NOT A Racist

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Sunday, January 13, 2008

Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment.

Linder joined Alex Jones for two segments on his KLBJ Sunday show this evening, during which he commented on the controversy created by media hit pieces that attempted to tarnish Paul as a racist by making him culpable for decades old newsletter articles written by other people.

"Knowing Ron Paul's intent, I think he is trying to improve this country but I think also, when you talk about the Constitution and you constantly criticize the federal government versus state I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that....so I think it's very easy for folks who want to to take his position out of context and that's what I'm hearing," said Linder.

"Knowing Ron Paul and having talked to him, I think he's a very fair guy I just think that a lot of folks do not understand the Libertarian platform," he added.

Asked directly if Ron Paul was a racist, Linder responded "No I don't," adding that he had heard Ron Paul speak out about police repression of black communities and mandatory minimum sentences on many occasions.

Dr. Paul has also publicly praised Martin Luther King as his hero on many occasions spanning back 20 years.

"I've read Ron Paul's whole philosophy, I also understand what he's saying from a political standpoint and why people are attacking him," said Linder.

"If you scare the folks that have the money, they're going to attack you and they're going to take it out of context," he added.

"What he's saying is really really threatening the powers that be and that's what they fear," concluded the NAACP President.

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I am not smearing anyone. I

I am not smearing anyone. I was responding to a perceived threat to me and my children by Ron Paul supporters. I hope Ron Paul will give the money back to the White Supremacist in California.
I think you lost me as a supporter but I still will hooray for you when you are opposing the War in Iraq and the Patriot Act.

I'll check out now. I have had my say.

you again

obviously don't know what you're talking about, there's several Johnson associates close to him who are of color, so you think you're threatened? We don't need people who feel threatened, if you think the "threat" from our federal government isn't worse.

and that is how to dismiss a coward ~

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they cannot handle being confronted with the truth and must flee.

"Fear can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the facts." ~ Thomas Jefferson

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“I will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison

If you "check out now" whats the point of responding?

A thread is supposed to be a conversation, not a lecture.

If you are still there, I would like to respond..

In Peace & Liberty,

Treg

In any community you go to

In any community you go to you will find racists. Unfortunately you will not change their ideas by suppressing them. You have to face them face to face, like Rosa Parks did on the bus and like Martin Luther King. I am sure if we were to search these two examples there would be more than a few if not many racist hanging on their shirt tails as well. But that should not corrupt their messege. I grew up in Detroit, and there were many racist of all shades of brown in that town. But there were also many more men who weren't.

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I still don't understand?

You are or are not a racist, Rudi? You seem to only think in terms of color, and not in terms of ideas. I actually agree with you on the issue of immigration, since I believe that building a wall is not practical, nor is deporting millions of illegal immigrants, but lets discuss that issue. You won't know what shade of brown my skin is unless I tell you, and I really don't care what kind of blood you have. I really don't care if you are gay, where you choose to work or who you choose to work with. That is your choice. I don't know if you smoke pot, sniff cocaine, drink alcohol as long as I don't have to participate. That is your choice. You come on very hard man, ease up.
grant

I was astounded

When Ron Paul supporters started telling me that the boat that is America was not big enough to hold the likes of my brown skinned children I was astounded. I was further told told that they are ready with guns and ammunition to repel a threat from brown skinned people. I guess that is how racism begins? One is threatened and then one stands up to those threats. Unlike my Ron Paul friends, my only weapon is my words. You don't have to worry about me or my children breaking down your doors. I didn't bring my children up that way. In case of an emergency, I am more afraid of Ron Paul supporters than I am from my Mexican neighbors. I guess that is a kind of prejudice brought on by my recent life experience. I think I have said what I wanted to say. Stay away from my children and don't threaten to deport them to Mexico and we will get along just fine.

Ron, you might want to rethink your position about enforcing immigration laws that might lead to anarchy. I know some of your followers would love to live in anarchy but anarchy is not child-friendly.

You have enough decent folks in your party to cut all ties with White Supremacists. Don't you think it is time to give that money back? It would go a long way for me to know that you are not going to unleash your fringe followers on the Hispanics in my country. I was surprised when I was confronted by your followers. It was as if a veil came from off of my eyes. I saw there is a very dark spirit among your followers that do not make me feel like I should be a part of your revolution. It may be too late for me to get back in line because your followers scared the bejezuz out of me but there are others out there who have not yet come across the racist cog of your political machine.
Best regards, rudi

Hey Rudi

what harm has white supremacists ever done to you? or anybody in the past 5 years, please name me some violent crimes!

I know you can't because it never happened, in contrast, illegal immigrants and our federal government both robbed us blind. Can you challenge that? W

WHich Ron Paul supporter told you this boat can't hold? I'd like to know.

i love America

"Ron, you might want to rethink your position about enforcing immigration laws"
"You have enough decent folks in your party to cut all ties with White Supremacists."

White Supremacists?????
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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Ron Paul Supporter Since 1997
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and over run by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what were putting up with” Ron Paul

I'll take the bait

What happens to those who illegally enter Mexico? What do the Mexican authorities do? Does anyone know the answer?

Hi! rudi

you did a great job expressing your concerns and I appreciate it. This has
certainly been an awakening for me this year. You have a lot of questions that I think might be answered by Dr. Paul's book. It sure would be great if you could sit down with Dr. Paul and ask him your concerns because I think they are valid. I can only tell you from my life observations that the Constitution has never been put into practice. Things were not good even from the beginning of the founding of the country. If the slaves had been set free and native Americans given as much respect as the settlers, and the Constitution been followed maybe people would have had a better outlook but it wasn't and well, I guess we are the last best HOPE to make it happen. Don't you think it is interesting how this campaign has brought people together that you would never dream would be together under one campaign? I am amazed! All races, religions, left, right you name it. Like Dr. Paul says Freedom brings people together. From what I am learning a lot of your concerns would be addressed with contracts and law. Let's face it big government is not your friend or mine. Your best chance is local because that is where you live. May I suggest you run for office rudi. By the way this is not capitalism we are living with it is corporatism and there is a big difference. Personally, I think Dr. Paul is our last best hope it is important that his message get out. If Dr. Paul was with the bad guys they sure wouldn't try to shut him out like they have. Dr. Paul is dangerous to the rich and powerful that makes him my friend. Can we keep his message pure? Can he keep others from infiltrating and hi jacking his message and distorting it? Only if we are vigilant and everyone is educated in the message so if someone tries to lead us a stray you and I can say WAIT A MINUTE that is not happening on our watch. Peace

Ignore Racist Rudi

Racist Rudi is part of the government control grid he runs around all day separating himself from society and the world using race. He has no interest in the fact that the elite use the race to destroy individualism in America.

Racist Rudi does not want to discuss ideas he wants to stifle discussion.

Racist Rudi does not support America he wants to use racism to destroy America.

We are on to you Racist Rudi you hate America because it is filled with freedom loving individuals living in peace and prosperity like no where else on Earth.

Never in my life have I ever introduced myself based on some kind of racial or genetic basis like you have done. You clearly hate people of other races. So why don't you go back to the dailykos and hang out with your racist friends.

Okay, So I am the racists

I was going along fine as a Ron Paul advocate until I cam across his rabid Brown Shirt Racists on the internet. I thought it was an anomaly and that in person Ron Paul would not want racists as followers. I went down the rabbit hole and what did I find but that Ron Paul built his political power on the backs of racist White Supremacists.

http://ronpaul2008.typepa...

http://downwithtyranny.bl...

http://www.metnews.com/ar...

Ron Paul's newsletters throughout the 90's, that he made money from and cashed the checks for, were filled with overt racism. He took the money for those articles written in 1st person and his name was signed on the bottom of many of the issues pinned inn his name with outright racism. One can claim they knew nothing about it but if you get a check and put it in the bank to cash it for articles written in the first person then you own those words. As far as I know, Ron Paul never canceled a single check for the articles attributed to his name. Ron Paul Paul only recently disavowed those words but for almost 20 years he said nothing and why? This should be the kinds of critical thinking that Ron Paul supporters should have before going into hero worship for a populist candidate. Ron Paul blamed others for the racism attributed to his name. It is clear to me that Paul actively sought out and courted the most vile racists on the extreme far right of the Republican and Libertarian Party until he no longer needed their money but he never gave the $2,000 per plate fund raising cash back to dozens of White Supremacists he broke bread with.

http://www.austinchronicl...

I will vote with Ron Paul while he votes against the war in Iraq and when he wants to oppose the Patriot Act but when he threatens to deport my children for the color of their skin and takes money from White Supremacists, I have to draw my line in the sand there. You call me a racist? I guess that is a good debate strategy but it hardly the truth. Ron Paul supporters scare the shit out minorities. Do you blame them?
The final solution to any mass removal of illegal immigrants would bring about a holocaust of unimaginable equal. I have children who would be targeted by Ron Paul White Supremacists. If I do not speak now, the Brown Shirts will have their way. I can not but say my saying now or I will have no recourse when the Anti-Immigrant Mobs come after my children.

Brown Shirt racists?

What has Ron Paul's articles done to you or anybody?

And there were not dozens of white supremacists, there wasn't even ONE. I was at Bill Johnson's house and met many people who dined that night, don't make these claims if you don't know.

Practice what you preach.

I agree with you a 100% about fuel anger between races, but it is hard to believe from a man who is currently holding a gas can in his hand. You have come onto this site today and brought up the issue of racism, claiming to be of a certain blood line yet pointing a finger at a movement as if we are all like minded. I think you are exactly what you preach against, a racist.

bottom line

What libertarianism (and Ron Paul) asks people to do is suck it up. If someone won't hire you (or serve you) because of the color of your skin, or your religious or sexual preference, you're supposed to take it and look for work (or a meal) elsewhere. Any time a white hetero guy argues this, it just does not have much credibility. That's why it's a little bit more compelling when it comes from someone like Andrew Sullivan (who is gay).

But as long as the libertarian R3VOLUTION is dominated by white hetero guys who have a high tolerance for racism, the growth potential is very limited.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Advocating for minarchical libertarianism since 1984...

Compelling it may not be.

I am not one to think of things in that way.

Will it work?
Again, I do not know, but we have tried everything else. I say it is time for freedom.

The market place is a funny thing. It will cure a lot of ills. Nothing can cure sadness or failure except for individuals.

We were all born to be industrialists.
But by choice, some have rendered ourselves to merely existing or worse.

I will try to think of things that make it compelling, check back tomorrow.

There is some work I must attend to tonight.

FYI: I am white, 40, wife, 3 kids under 4. Every decision I make my financial life is at stake. I am an entrepenuer. An industrialist. I have beaten the odds. To understand why, for another time.

Not sure why Minarchist but I can not reply below.

I have some irony for you.

The University system tried to impose racial preferences and a quota system.

The government said no you can't do that, it is against the law.

We all have our roles.

of course you don't think that way

That's the point. You're a white hetero guy. Therefore you are unable to fully comprehend the plight of the oppressed. You're an insensitive dolt.

The market cures a lot, but not everything.
I don't believe in original sin, but I think that humans are genetically predisposed to treat people that are "different" harshly. Back during tribal hunting and gathering times, prejudice and discrimination probably had survival advantages. But here we are in modern times. No such advantages now, so much, but the genetic predisposition is there, and it's only natural for the market to cater to it.

So what we have to do is be able to counter the argument that it's perfectly reasonable to use government/law to compensate for the primitive genetic dispositions to discriminate by race that we seem to have inherited from our tribal past.

Any ideas?


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Advocating for minarchical libertarianism since 1984...

100%

This is life, just because you don't get what you want, when you want it, and from whom you want doesn't mean go sue and take it.

However, when the government participates in such discriminatory policies it is wholly illegal and always should be.

Private businesses and such are free to discriminate however they want so long as it is legal. Yes, there are legal ways to discriminate i.e. credit scores, criminal history, etc...

But again, this is not compelling

Many people simply feel that there is something fundamentally wrong with not doing business with someone for reasons of racial or sexual discrimination. They believe it is just as fundamentally wrong to do that as we believe it is fundamentally wrong to use force to prevent someone from discriminating like that. Further, they believe that if you don't get that, you must be white, male and hetero.

"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Advocating for minarchical libertarianism since 1984...

Depending on the

discrimination, force should not be used and should not have been used (desegregation of schools). However, apparently the court believed that force used to discriminate required force to end it. Like having a gun pointed at you while you hold a butter knife. Nevertheless, society, I hope, has moved to a more progressive line of seeing people as people. Also, force could also be deemed economic oppression to discriminate and I firmly believe from talking to so many people about the civil rights issue that if Dr. Paul addressed these issues and given his stance many people would be more willing to listen to, understand, and accept his form of government, especially in the light that the Federal government has been in a power grab. However, they also, and I as well, believe that the states refused to halt discrimination and therefore the Federal government stepped in to end it. Check out the Emmitt Till case of Florida as just one example.

Which is it?

On the one hand you support the creation and power of a state to demand and control the activity of individuals when it is for your benefit, but when it isn't for your benefit you condem it. Bush is a product of the system that was buildt.

Your arguements are not convincing, Rudi.

We are enslaved by the laws we set up for our protection, which have become our oppression. We are but the tools of that autocratic abstraction the state, which enslaves each individual in the name of the will of all, who would all, taken individually, desire exactly the opposite of what they will be made to do.

Wow

A racist rant coming form a racist promoting racism and calling other people that do not fit his ideal of race, racist.

This is the technique of all who support tyranny against freedom. Freedom is about the individual not a collective group. This poster obviously feels that group identity is more important than respecting the individual.

Take you ugly race bating and go somewhere else.

Ron Paul Brown Shirts

Kos highlights a 1992 article from Ron Paul’s self-published newsletter, The Ron Paul Political Report:

"Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action…. Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the “criminal justice system,” I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." - Ron Paul

If that isn't racist then what is?

not as clearly racist as you think

I'd like to read the complete article instead of seeing this one paragraph out of context. Do you have the link?

I suspect the point was not that blacks are inferior, but that the civil rights act/movement and other steps taken by government ostensibly to help minorities, were not working, and was arguably making matters worse for African Americans.

Put in some context

Look at the year - Education among blacks was and still is limited. Moreover, many have been made subjects to the state under welfare provision and so long as the check keeps coming they need not pay attention to politics. It is not good to group people at all but I can hope that RP was looking at some sort of spreadsheet and was trying to make a generalization of the numbers - believe it or not we are all still numbers and categories I.E. white working class voters, black working class, white educated, black educated, legal, illegal, laborers, etc...

This proves nothing on "racist" leanings.

Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty

Put in some context

Look at the year - Education among blacks was and still is limited. Moreover, many have been made subjects to the state under welfare provision and so long as the check keeps coming they need not pay attention to politics. It is not good to group people at all but I can hope that RP was looking at some sort of spreadsheet and was trying to make a generalization of the numbers - believe it or not we are all still numbers and categories I.E. white working class voters, black working class, white educated, black educated, legal, illegal, laborers, etc...

This proves nothing on "racist" leanings.

Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty

I have a liberal friend (who's voting for Obama) who said...

"I like a lot of RP's ideas, but some of them he's way off on."

Naturally I asked, "For example?"

He mentioned the legislation they were voting on recently that would supposedly prevent businesses from discriminating against people based on their genetic information. Since genetic info is going to be a more prevalent thing in the future... this law seems like a good idea to a lot of people.

So what does my friend say?

Well, he voted against HR blah,blah having to do with genetic discrimination...

"He's a SOCIAL DARWINIST."

I'm about to send him the comment below that Justcantgetenough posted...

"Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my objection to H.Res. 676. I certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res. 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation of the rights of private property and contract, which are the bedrocks of free society. The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties. The rights of all private property owners, even those whose actions decent people find abhorrent, must be respected if we are to maintain a free society.

This expansion of federal power was based on an erroneous interpretation of the congressional power to regulate interstate commerce. The framers of the Constitution intended the interstate commerce clause to create a free trade zone among the states, not to give the federal government regulatory power over every business that has any connection with interstate commerce.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.

Of course, America has made great strides in race relations over the past forty years. However, this progress is due to changes in public attitudes and private efforts. Relations between the races have improved despite, not because of, the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, while I join the sponsors of H.Res. 676 in promoting racial harmony and individual liberty, the fact is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not accomplish these goals. Instead, this law unconstitutionally expanded federal power, thus reducing liberty. Furthermore, by prompting raced-based quotas, this law undermined efforts to achieve a color-blind society and increased racial strife. Therefore, I must oppose H.Res. 676." -Ron Paul

Make a lot of sense to me.

It's amazing how well RP expresses the true libertarian viewpoint in terms that can make sense to the average individual.

He knows his sh*t.

Civil Rights

When the majority has a Right to oppress those of a minority, this is the real definition of Social Darwinism. Blacks following the Civil War set up households in every community in the country, hoping for a new beginning, but were sundowned out of all White Communities. These families were run out of their communities by the Social Darwinism. The results are oppression of men based on the color of one's skin. It took the Civil Rights Bill to open doors for those not in the majority. There is a Black and Hispanic Middle Class today for this very reason. Civil Rights is anti-Social Darwinism that attempts to level the playing field.

In my work there is a balance of men and women, Black, White, & Hispanic employees. There are those who are deaf and there are those who are blind. There are gay men and women where I work who do not fear reprisals. There are husbands and wives in multiracial marriages. This is an impossible state of things in a pre-civil rights world.

Lesson learned

During law school it was often stated that where the people fail to act the government will step in to make them act in accordingly.

Here, discrimination was the norm where black were 3/5 a person and routinely bought and sold as a commodity and killed. Gays were killed. Women marginalized.

Government stepped via the Civil Rights movement. Unfortunately too many believe the not all men are created equal.

One question: do you think Bush believes he is an equal to you or me?
or any other member of the gov't other than Dr. Paul?

George Bu$h believes in the

George Bu$h believes in the Fascist State. A pseudo religious mixture of
Religious Jingoisms and Corporate Control of all of the World's Resources.
Bush reminds me of the wife beater who believe his wife(America) deserves the beating she is getting for her own good. He reminds me of a dozen alcoholics I have known. A sociopath bent on his own self destruction and taking down everyone within his power to take down with him into his own personal hell.

On the flip side you have people argue ...

that society was already trending that way and that the government action hindered its speed.

We all have our roles.

To this day

...I have heard degrading comments coming from some 50+ year olds.

At a lake in VA there is a black man who lives there and there is only one restaurant. When he enters the restaurant he must "shake everybody's hand and introduce himself - if not he know what will happen to him when he leaves. Blacks need to learn their place"

This story was told to me not even 3 months ago. Civil Rights is a huge issue simply going "constitutional" does not abrogate the individual, business, state, county, or federal gov't from invidious descrimination.

Hope this story offends you as much as it did me.

Not in my hometown

In my hometown, just miles from Junior's , Whites openly degrade Blacks and if it were not for their fear of imprisonment and lawsuits, they would not be holding their tongue at their workplace today. Locks are still only meant to keep honest people honest. Ron Paul would have us unlock what has defended the liberties of millions of minorities to this day. What good does it do a man to only have liberty by taking it from another man?

read some Zora Neale Hurston

Certainly the greatest Black Female Author, and in my view, probably the greatest black author.

She opposed the decision of Brown vs Board of Ed. here is her excellent response to the decision.

http://www.lewrockwell.co...

A quote - The whole matter revolves around the self-respect of my people. How much satisfaction can I get from a court order for somebody to associate with me who does not wish me near them? The American Indian has never been spoken of as a minority and chiefly because there is no whine in the Indian. Certainly he fought, and valiantly for his lands, and rightfully so, but it is inconceivable of an Indian to seek forcible association with anyone. His well known pride and self-respect would save him from that. I take the Indian position. Now a great clamor will arise in certain quarters that I seek to deny the Negro children of the South their rights, and therefore I am one of those "handkerchief-head niggers" who bow low before the white man and sell out my own people out of cowardice. However an analytical glance will show that that is not the case. - endquote

A quick glance in any school cafeteria, or any prison will show you she is correct.

Here is some more information about her politics - she was a strong supporter of Robert Taft

http://www.lewrockwell.co...

lol and i see many blacks

lol and i see many blacks degrade whites...

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Well

Check your deep south history. Nothing was trending that way down here.