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Explain it to me....

We should encourage baby steps by anyone and keep fighting for the rest. Many fiscal conservatives who like Paul but support the war still voted for Ron Paul in the primaries. We shouldn't discourage those people even if they don't pass the litmus test. It is still a vote in our direction.

I'm willing to be patient, but withhold my vote from anyone who I don't think
is genuine. Only time will tell.
Peace.

Do you take any responsibility for misrepresenting me, "AnnieGun"? I'd like to know.

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Support Ron Paul's (not ex-CIA neocon Bob Barr's) Campaign for Liberty!

Did you make a mistake, by any chance...?

One victory that Barr was able to achieve with the Patriot Act that you are not crediting him with: He is the one responsible for ensuring it had an expiration date. As he said, those were highly emotional times and lawmakers were being ruled by their fear. It was going to get passed with or without him. By voting for it, he got to have input -- and he is the one who made certain the act had an expiration date.

he put the sunset clause in it and they agreed so he felt obligated to vote for it. Voting against it and not participating in the debate to fight for the sunset clause would have been a real disaster because the bill still would have passes only with out the Barr sunset clause so it would have an end date. Now if we could just get the other idiots in Congress to stop renewing the thing we would be ok

What does that mean to you -- to support Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty...?

Not respond..must steady..hold..

How is you're voting record?

We all know Barr's record with the Patriot Act. But here is a question for you: Do you want people to change their minds about important issues or don't you...?

If you want the Revolution to succeed, I hope you realize that people will have to change their minds for that to happen. Or are you recruiting only non-sinners and holding out for the one true libertarian Messiah, the reincarnation of Ayn Rand, to appear?

Let me kindly suggest that even you have changed your mind about political issues -- and were likely even carefully schooled by Ron Paul. Well, so was Bob Barr....

One thing that knee-jerk Barr detractors will seldom state is what he DID do in congress FOR liberty. Let me refresh your memories:

In the 107th Congress when Ron Paul stood up for our sovereignty against the United Nations (Roll Call votes 245 and 246), it was Bob Barr who supported him … just as Barr supported Paul in cutting corporate welfare by limiting funding for the Export-Import Bank.”

“Barr is a co-sponsor of H. Res. 197, ‘Stop U.N. Gun Ban.’”

“Barr supports H.R. 2615 ‘Stop National Medical ID and the Patient Privacy Protection Act.’”

“Barr is a leading defender of civil liberties. He introduced legislation that forces the National Security Agency’s Project ECHELON to provide a full accounting to the Congress of their covert monitoring of millions of phone calls, faxes, and emails.”

“He led the fight against National ID Card proposals and introduced legislation in 1998 to check the federal government’s abuse of wire-tapping laws — including the use of roving wiretaps — and also opposed governmental interception of cellular phone calls.”

“He introduced legislation to mandate that the federal government issue ‘Privacy Impact Statements’ every time it issues a new rule or regulation.”

“He was a chief sponsor of a law to limit abuses of the civil asset forfeiture statutes.”

“He fought against OSHA regulations and to limit small business vulnerability to frivolous labor litigation.”

“He is a board member of the National Rifle Association, and a staunch defender of the right of Americans to own and use firearms. He has introduced and sponsored legislation to block litigation against gun manufacturers for the acts of their customers and to limit any background checks and mandate they be conducted ‘instantly.’”

“Barr has succinctly advocated the principle that while criminals must be punished to the full extent of the law, their civil liberties must be protected with even more vigor.”

“He is a staunch defender of American sovereignty and opposes the executive branch’s overzealous use of our military abroad he even filed suit against President Clinton’s war in Kosovo without congressional approval.”

“He is a fierce critic of the United Nations — and to a lesser degree NATO — and has consistently supported efforts to withdraw U.S. membership from the United Nations.”

“He co-sponsored a committee amendment to withdraw the U.S. from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.”

“Since his first day in Congress back in 1995, Barr has tirelessly fought to eliminate the Internal Revenue Code, supported the “flat tax” proposal, and consistently supported passage of a constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds supermajority of Congress to raise taxes.”

“He was an early supporter of lowering the capital gains tax and recently he introduced legislation to provide tax credits for educators: public, private, and home school.”

“More than any other member of the Georgia delegation, Congressman Barr has parted with the Republican majority to vote against bloated “pork barrel” spending.”

“He has continually fought the unconstitutional [McCain/Feingold] ‘campaign finance reforms.’ Defending our fundamental rights, he has filed a lawsuit to prevent implementation of the recently passed legislation.”

Anyway, I get so fatigued by the flip-flop label. I truly do hope that people will think about issues and change their minds on them. I find that people who never change their minds on anything are scarily rigid in their thinking. They are the "always right" type. You know, the kind of people who are so convinced of their own rightness that they can't see alternatives, and have to be "right" even when they are wrong.

One of the things I admire about Ron Paul is how he will credit members of congress (even from opposing parties) who do something right. Conversely, what we generally see from Reps and Dems is that they will start justifying all manner of atrocity merely because their front-runner advocates it.

In observing all this play out, I'd have to say that the greatest threat I see to the libertarian movement is its own self-righteousness. You can't convert people with attitudes like that. And worse, it seems that libertarians don't even want the converts!

I'm not sure if you noticed this about the Campiagn for Liberty, but the very purpose of the Campaign for Liberty is to help elect people who are campaigning on the Liberty platform. That means HELPING to elect new libertarian-leaning congress people AND Bob Barr AND Chuck Baldwin because THEY ARE the Liberty candidates.

The opposite of the campaign for Liberty would be to demonize those who are running on the Liberty platform, and to try to incinerate their campaigns.

However, I must sadly say, incinerating each others campaigns is what libertarians do best, usually on grounds that the candidate is not pure enough. We should be leaving that to the media.

Don't sigh at me. Its insulting. Don't try to use you inferiority complex also.
1-The convention has not passed. When it does you can sigh all you want
2-So quickly are those who supposedly supported Ron Paul jumping ship.
3-The sinister agenda's are made clearer do to the fact that Bubbles on his web-site sent out an order to his bubblete's to hunt down and convert every Ron Paul supporter they could get their hands on.
4- Bubbles wants our money. Badly.

That has to raise some eyebrows no? I liken it to invaders of a sovereign web-site state. We were having a good time discussing Ron Paul then the shock and awe came now we are just occupied by foreign bodies. Freedom is such a fleeting thing.