Who? CHUCK BALDWIN. That's who.
Thats most likely who I will vote for. I like Bob Barr..but im not sure I can trust him very much. I trust chuck alot more.
Why doesnt DP get behind him? Cause he isnt a "libertarian"? He is in the Constitutionalist party.
This thread is meant to start dialogue about Chuck. Any negatives on him? I know that when asked about Bob Barr... Ron Paul mentioned Chuck. So I think he is our best bet.
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If you would like to donate
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John Birch Society
In addition to joining the CFL, Campaign for Liberty, you'll want to check out JBS, the John Birch Society at www.jbs.org. BTW, Dr Paul and Dr Baldwin are the main speakers at the 50th anniversary dinner for JBS in October.
I think you'll want to join the JBS and subscribe to their most excellent magazine, The New American. In fact, when many of the Washington State meet-up leaders all gathered in one place to listen to a JBS presenttion, nearly all of them joined JBS on the spot!
Let me know if you have any questions re. JBS, joining, subscribing, etc. JBS stands for 3 main things: 1) Our Constitution, 2) Our sovereignty/independence as a nation, and 3) morality as the basis for peaceful and prosperous society.
I can be reached at mrworldview@yahoo.com
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Virginia
Was Regionial Coordinator for the RP campaign for mid-atlantic area
Chuck Baldwn
If anyone would like to give donations to Chuck Baldwin's campaign feel free to contact me at mrworldview@yahoo.com. I am in contact with the Baldwin campaign.
I was formerly with RP campaign until March 15th as a regional coordinator for the mid-atlantic area.
Jim Fox
IndependenceNotRevolution
I'm voting absentee and writing-in Ron Paul,
since we're sharing and all.
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Chuck Baldwin's stance on the issues
are much closer in line with mine, and I did hear Ron Paul say that Baldwin's platform was closest to his. I am leaning towards Baldwin over Barr and making my decision based on principles, and not on name recognition for any candidate. I will be donating to Baldwin's campaign. I will say I do not like his stance on gambling, but then again every State has the right to have gambling, and I do not believe that a President has authority over that.
We have to on the ball
We have to care about this election now before it is too late. We need to start unifying and spreading the word around now before it's too late to have an impact at all. We can work on both things at once, Paulette. This election only comes once every 4 years so we have to make the most of the opportunity we have to further for our movement as best we can. We can't wait until after the Paul convention to start making plans. By then We missed debates, missed opportunities for conversions, and missed showing our strength.
Very trollish of you.
Alaways bumping the top of the list when someone else chimes in.
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Ugh
Must hold the truce.
If anyone is wondering why I have
Not answered JustCantEatEnough the reason is this. I have answered that question twice here on the DP directly towards him. He/she doesn't seem to remember the thrashing I delivered to it so it keeps asking me the same question over and over again. Plus I made a truce with jack on not assaulting pro bubbles,baldwins, anti-Pauls,9-11 truther's, or anyone. I support my local Ron Paul supporters.
A suggestion
True supporters of Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty are busy and don't need this type of discussion here....this type of thing is way premature. Here's a suggestion for you, they discuss the Baldwin campaign a lot here and you'll fit right in:
http://thirdpartywatch.co...
IT'S DOABLE
This Fall's Goal
This fall's goal should be to spread our message to as many as people possible via as many communication outlets as possible including the MSM. We are trying to get as many converts into our movement in order to bring about change in the shortest amount of time possible. In order to bring about adherence to the Constitution faster, we need unify behind one candidate for the long term implications of our movement. Long term people, were not thinking short term. We may need to sacrifice a little in the short term to reap the greatest return in the future just like any other investment.
Thank You
Ok, now i understand your position. Now we can have a discussion. I am not criticizing you, but like Paul does, I am criticizing your philosophy. The problem I see with the plan of everyone voting on their conscious is that our vote is going to go completely fragmented and unnoticed with a very minimal chance of converting a large number of people. If we do that than definitely no one is getting in on the debates, no one is going to receive the majority of our movements monetary contributions which basically makes the money donated useless, no one is going to get any exposure in the media because of everyone's low support. If we all get behind Barr then his poll numbers will rise which will give our basic principles more exposure in the media and very possible acceptance into the debates. The more exposure we get the higher the number of revolution converts we receive which is the best thing for our movement. The more converts we get the more our movement accelerates. Barr will be in 48-49 state ballots so the vast majority of us have the opportunity to vote for him. What say you?
Sounds like a good plan.
Have fun with it. I like Baldwin if I can't write in Paul. From the looks of it most of the people I started out with in my Ron Paul Meetup group whom I hadn't met until last November and held signs with in the cold and snow are liking Baldwin as well. The same group that donated our hard earned money as well as time and became delegates. We were putting our ass on the line for Ron Paul back before it was really popular and people were calling us Kooks, nut jobs, Racists, Isolationists. Now you expect everyone to just jump on the boat of Barr who voted for the patriot act. I hope you can see what you are putting out with your statements.
Chances are you can.
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You Know what
I don't think the Barr supporters like Baldwin. Doesn't that seem odd. Kinda makes you think if their really here for the movement. Just a thought.
Very odd indeedy isnt it?
http://images.jupiterimag...
I just saw a Light bulb
Light up above your head.
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More
Like a dimmer switch. I know why they are here. I have been fighting for so long I'm just tired of all their antics.
It doesnt matter how
many times you rebutt..... and many many have numerous times they just keep it coming ...its spam..plain and simple.
That is the whole point.
To wear you down, change the topics and control the conversation. I can't keep on here all the time for rebuttal. But a certain few are here 24/7. They have to change their names from time to time but their rhetoric and tactics remain the same and noticeable for anyone who sticks around for a little bit.
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not entirely
The Republicans are counting on libertarians to vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils. I think that without that support, he is likely to fail and even with a split vote, they will recognize that the including libertarians, and their philosphy into the party is necessary to win.
That might be wishful thinking, but it is plausible.
Oh holy cow
Cant anyone see that...wait..must refrain..stop...back away slowly. The peace treaty still stands.
We are interviewing Chuck
We are interviewing Chuck Baldwin tonight live at 7pm eastern
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
www.revolutionbroadcastin...
www.revolutionmarch.com
Dr. Steve Parent
Dont forget to ask him.
What he thinks about Ron Paul and how he said that The Chuck Baldwin platform is very very close to his campaign and how Mr Baldwin has been an
intricate part of the Revolution.
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If we can't vote for Dr. Paul consider a vote for Constitutional Freedom, consider Chuck Baldwin -- http://baldwin2008.com
Make sure to ask him about regulating the internet
for obscenity and gambling. Also, off the internet censorship and gambling as well. The Poker Alliance gave him an 'F' rating. Ask about that.
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Baldwin's not on the Ballot in TX
I like Baldwin too, but it looks like I can't vote for him unless I write him in and I agree with Ron Paul that there is no point in writing in someone as the results of those votes will likely not even be tabulated. The LP has ballot access in my state so Barr will be on the ballot and I will vote for him although if I had a choice I'd probably support Baldwin.
From the CP website
I think they are only in 39 states but I'm still looking. Wiki has this:
"As of May 3, 2008, the Libertarian Party is on the ballot in the following 28 states for 2008. It has also obtained ballot access only for its presidential candidate (as opposed to full party status) in Arkansas, giving it 29 total ballots for the 2008 presidential race. The Party has more ballot lines than any other third-party by comparison to the Green Party (on 24 ballots) and the Constitution Party (on 14 ballots)."
Sarge, you offer noting to the debate
Sarge, I'm trying to bring discussion to find a united plan of action this fall. I've offered my plan and have clearly stated why I think we should be united in voting for Barr. You've stated many times you hate Barr, but you NEVER offer a better solution for the furthering of our cause. All i ever hear form you is calling him a Neo-con and then proceeding to call me a troll. What do you suggest we do this fall if you don't think we should stand behind Barr in order to bring about awareness to our cause. So far, Sarge, I haven't heard any constructive idea come from any of your posts.
I think you are being ignored because you have no
Worthy debate or else you wouldn't be continuing with the attempts to inflame, He has given you many responses as so have I very well deserving of answering the questions you have posted. You aren't taking any of those into account and are simply making this a war of attrition and asking redundant questions.
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wow
They are redundant questons becasue they have never been answered. Oruval, maybe you can tell me who he thinks we should all vote for. He has never laid out a solid plan for us to follow. Can you answer that for me? All he does is criticize Barr supporters, but never comes back with a coherent and thoughtful response for a better plan of attack. I'm not attacking, I'm merely asking for him to state his full opinion and plan. Should we all vote our conscious and have no one recognize our strength by fragmenting our numbers into different candidates in which nothing gets accomplished or noticed by anyone outside our circle?
Good questions all.
For that I will have to say what I have learned from Dr. Paul's example. I am voting principle in my mind. He was a lone voice for 30 years in Congress.
He never pandered for anyone and followed the constitution I don't feel Barr is the right choice. As far as Sarge goes that is his choice. He seems to be a man of principle as well.
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If we can't vote for Dr. Paul consider a vote for Constitutional Freedom, consider Chuck Baldwin -- http://baldwin2008.com
Sarge, Who should we vote for and why?
Sarge I know you hate Barr. I understand that. Do you have a better plan for our situation? That's all I want to know. Who should we all follow? I just want to hear your plan for this election, and why we should vote for your candidate. I'm up for any and all ideas that furthers our cause to the largest extent possible. I hope your plan is better so all of us can jump on board and bring awareness to our agenda because that would unite us all. I've asked you multiple time for a better strategy than following Barr (which I've articulated many times) but you have yet to give me an resemblance of an answer.
Will
No one come to my aid. I have sworn off fighting these trolls for peace. I made a truce with Jack. Now they are taking advantage of my kindness. Attacking when I have no defense but freedom. Peace is hell.
You are showing restraint.
You are doing well. Let them lay into you. They will show them selves for what they truly are.
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double
post oops.
Thanks oruval
Your support is kindly welcomed. Guess what trolls. I believe the towers were brought down by explosives. A contention is who did it for me. I have not pointed a finger yet but I know those towers did not come down just because of those planes. Chuck Baldwin is growing in popularity because of your efforts for Bubbles. This is what Ron Paul likes to call blow back. You cant invade someone else's web-site and expect to be welcomed with a statue being torn down anymore. At least not here. I haven't broken my peace treaty for I was responding to a fellow freedom fighter and patriot. The treaty still stands.
You're weak.
It's not kindness. It's weakness.
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Hey just give me an address.
I'll meet you in person. We can settle this face to face. I'll show you weakness.
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Ok.
Meet me at the intersection of John St. and Broadway, at 8 oclock tonight. Or if you want, we can meet at the Bull statue. Or would you prefer the waterfront by the fish market? Should I bring a knife or gun. Or is this a fist fight?
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No weapons please
not necessary
http://newmedia.funnyjunk...
ha! I could take you down myself... with a puppet on one hand!
You pick the place
but please make sure you bring Billy Dee with you.
LOL
That was funny as hell. Could you imagine those two walking up out of the fog. Hoot I'd by that for a dollar.
Here are the troll twins
I think you would be able to spot them easy enough! lol!
http://www.calvinayrelife...
You know that is pushing
the edge for having 2 faces only a mother could love.
Ha
Oh thats just to funny. I could see those guys on a computer while on the phone with bubbles. "No sir we have converted SSgT...No sir not liberty_belle...yes sir what ever it takes".
I'll bring the ben gay, nair and super glue! lol!
Revenge song again! I love this song.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
LMFAO!!!!
Cockroaches by the pound!!!
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Fist fight. More manly.
So you from the ville I take it?
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BillyDee/ justcantgetenough checks under his bed
for you every night oruval! lol!
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Downsides for Baldwin
1. As far as I know, he has held no previous political office. Some might think this is an asset, but its not, particularly for getting votes from the uniformed, intuition based voter.
1a - zero name recognition
2. His previous connection with the moral majority makes me question his priorities (same as Barrs former associations do)
3. his current association with Vdare - there is a racist edge to his anti-immigration stances, certainly it could be spun this way.
4. His talk about NWO - while I might agree with some of it, over all it seems a bit reactionary and over the top.
5. It is difficult for anyone to trust a radio preacher.
Now, I do think that Baldwin is certainly the person for the truthers and the white supremicists to support.
I like Chuck
Fortune Favors the Bold
but i Do have some concerns. I wasn't crazy about his suggestion of harsh federal prosecution of employers who hire illegal immigrants. And I am not sure where he stands on important social issues, like the War on Drugs.