US HOUSE PASSES SURVEILLANCE BILL COMPROMISE THAT WOULD PROTECT TELEPHONE COMPANIES FROM LAWSUITS
Posted June 20th, 2008 by DaddyWarBucks
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The "House" needs a good cleaning. A long term, relentless, eradication campaign to remove anti-American politicians.
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Senator Bayh,
You know as well as I do that this Bill violates the Constitution, specifically, the 4th amendment which reads- "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.". By not supporting this bill, you will be supporting the Constitution, exactly what we the people put you in office to do.
PLEASE do not let us down and OPOSE this disgusting piece of legislation which, by the way, does not help the men and women soldiers, but instead funds the encruitment of military slaves with which to send on Unconstitutional missions both here in our very own nation (marines in Indiana) and abroad, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Someone has to stand up and do what is right. PLEASE do the job you took oath to do and OPOSE this legislation.
thank you,
~peace
Big goverment and big
Big goverment and big business in bed together again. Anybody gettin' tired of these pukes?
rrollison@yahoo.com
I'm going to send Rep.
I'm going to send Rep. Castor and Senators Martinez and Nelson a full-page letter taking about how they've deceived us.
That sound you hear is the constitution in the shredder
SO there goes the 4th amendment, Obama and McCain are for it, didn't they swear an oath to "protect and defend the constitution"?...sigh...
Lets start a pool and bet on which part of the constitution is voided next..
This intelligent guy in my
This intelligent guy in my congressman's office ASSURED me that this bill is COMPLETELY constitutional, that it puts an END to illegal wiretapping without a warrant and the only secrecy involved would be that that is definitely marked as "national security" as usual. He said that the previous wire-tapping that Bush did WAS illegal, this bill stops it and lets the courts decide if the Telecoms deserve immunity or not, just not the House. He read parts to me. He seemed to know it very well, and he said I was wrong. Ar we wrong?
It comes down to this...
First of all, you have to ask yourself whether or not the government has a right to spy on its own citizens - even with a warrant. That is the first question, because the 4th amendment says that even search and arrest warrants must be supported by probable cause. The new bill can be said to be Constitutional because the FISA court will issue any warrants. However, the FISA court itself meets in secret with no public record or published orders, so the FISA court is not all that great to begin with. But the main problem is that the earlier spying was done WITHOUT ANY warrant of any kind, even from the secretive FISA court. That was ILLEGAL and breaking the law should not go unpunished. This bill gives IMMUNITY to the telecoms if they can show that the Bush adminstration told them that everything was legal. Well, duh, of course Bush will provide that. That will be a simple formality of granting IMMUNITY to them getting CAUGHT. This bill has questionable Constitutionality going forward, but it definitely steps on us citizens looking backward.
I NEED HELP!
Someone help. I called my Congressman"s office and this VERY intelligent person answered the phone and told me in no uncertain terms that this bill was NOT against the Constitution and was ONLY to let the courts decide if they were guilty or not. I had not researched it well, so I was totally unprepared for his questions of where EXACTLY in the bill were unconstitutional things, which he did NOT believe were in there. I mumbled angrily that I would find the parts in the bill that WERE, and call him back next week. God! I need some help..anyone?
Well, he may sound
Well, he may sound intelligent but I believe he is there telling everyone how good it is because he was told to. It is unconstitutional under the 4th Amendment which states,
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.".
This is why the government needs a warrant to eavesdrop on your phone calls. They are saying that bill H.R. 6304 is Constitutional because the phone companies, not the Government, are the entity spying on you. The phone companies are given incentives to record your PRIVATE conversations, which is ILLEGAL but then they will be given immunity to prosecution of any kind. Its just the way our Government is sidestepping the 4th Amendment to the Constitution. Even if this person insists it is Constitutional you can say you just disagree with the policy giving an entire special interest group immunity and incentives when we are supposed to be a nation of laws where everyone is accountable by the same standard of justice. It is just bad policy.
You can get details at the progressives site ThinkProgress.org
You can get details at the progressives site ThinkProgress.org
http://thinkprogress.org/...
This is a qoute from Russ Feingold of the McCain/Feingold campaign finance laws fame...
Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI): “The proposed FISA deal is not a compromise; it is a capitulation. … Allowing courts to review the question of immunity is meaningless when the same legislation essentially requires the court to grant immunity.”
I did go here, but this is
I did go here, but this is mostly quotes and opinions. My congressman's office had the bill itself..see above
Click the links
I assumed you would click the links provided on the website I linked to... try the Glen Greenwald one...
My own representative (McCaul) voted for it. He's
a die-hard neocon and is on a leash that is being tugged by Bush and his crowd. I've seen the letters written to him (congress.org) by others in the district and there was not a single letter written in support of this criminal act. All were against it. After all, we're only citizens and we must be "led" to the promised land, kicking and screaming. So far, the answers I've gotten from Senators Hutchison and Cornyn are all to the effect that they intend to support the measure as well. All are card-carrying members of the neocon-GOP element; not that everything they've done has been wrong, but they tend to go-along to get-along. Michael McCaul has never responded to a single letter that I have written to him, ever. Some representation. If you use downsize.org to try to communicate with them, be advised that many in congress have certain blocking or filtering mechanisms that will prevent such organizationally-generated messages from getting through, unless they are initiated from the web site actually operated by an individual member of congress.
My Representative Voted Against
Jerry Costello, my Representative voted against the bill. I am happy some people have the balls to stand up for what is right.
whats the HB #
I want to research it and see who from MO supported the bill so I can vote against them, if I have a good candidate to vote for. or I'll have to write in "none of the above"
Funny how....
the old, tired, inaccurate, corporate, lame-stream media omits important information.
Do they think no one cares? Or maybe, they would like to hobble those who do? Programming, indeed.
FSTV, LINK, DailyPaul, LewRockwell, etc...never that crap my parents (and I) grew up on.
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
FourWindsTradingPost
They decided to vote on this bill yesterday
They decided to vote on this bill yesterday without letting everyone know. Ron Paul didn't even have a chance to vote on this bill. The good news is the Senate hasn't voted yet and we need to bombard our Senators with phone calls and letters. How dare they just by-pass the Constitution whenever they like.
Calling Our Senators
Here is a list of contact information for all of the Senators. http://www.senate.gov/gen...
Why did Ron Paul
not vote on this bill?
Good question
I have no idea why. Maybe they pulled a fast one while he was away.
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shine a light:
on those who voted for this.....their arrogrance shows the need for our
lobby group.....Champaign for Liberty
Who voted aye?
Where can we get a list of who voted for this unconstitutional bill?
I want to know if my representative is one of the evil ones.
Throw the BUMS OUT!
I'll be sure to mention this on ODP!
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Operation Daily Paul"
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Money is being collected to make these people pay....
http://www.thestrangebedf...
This is a joint effort by the "Progressives" and the Ron Paul people to make those that supported this pay... by getting them replaced by others in Congress.
assuming we ever can fully
assuming we ever can fully expunge, how much damage will have been done before that can be accomplished? who the fuck are these people and how can they sleep at night?
I emailed my congressman too late
but i just finished a letter to my senator, told Clair McCaskill if she voted for the bill she was not honoring her oath of office or the constitution.
What a Joke!!
Lets just make sure to get the names of who voted for it!!! I wanna know so I can make sure that they know they betrayed their oath today and we will hold them accountable!
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Operation Daily Paul"
on revolutionbroadcasting.com
or visit www.mikeandjake.com
What a royal joke the Reichstag has become
There are only a handful who are not international criminals as far as I am concerned, including O-Bomb-a, McAIPAC, and Hitlery.
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looks like our congress
needs to read the constitution once in a while.