"Write-in Ron Paul" website redirects to Barr's website
Posted June 21st, 2008 by JKap
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I found something very ironic last night as I was researching writing-in Ron Paul. When I did a search of Google for "write in Ron Paul", this is what I found:
http://write-inronpaul.com/ (the sixth link listed on the Google search)...and here is the raw URL: http://write-inronpaul.com/
When you click the link, bobbarr2008.com is displayed.
Now tell me that there is not an organized, concerted effort underway, as I lovingly call them the "Anti-Write-In-League," attempting to discourage people from voting Ron Paul.
I hope someone with more technical expertise than I will investigate and ascertain who owns the following URL's:
http://write-inronpaul.com/
http://www.write-inronpaul2008.com/
Update 1: According to fanofwalt:
write-inronpaul.com was set up February 11, 2008, and updated May 27, 2008. That one lists SCHLUND+PARTNER AG as the registrar through a private registration proxy in PA.The write-inronpaul2008.com domain was set up May 17, 2008 by Marcus Belk of New Jersey. Since he is listed as the administrative and technical contact, his contact info is publicly available on the whois search. So, if you'd like to ask Marcus about his site, you can email him at: marcus. belk@mac .com (remove the spaces).
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The owner of the site switched it when Ron Paul said not to
The owner of the site switched it when Ron Paul said that it would not be a good idea to write him in.
Once again, the person
Once again,
the person running the site that redirects, is showing disrespect for folk, insinuating people are too stupid to think for themselves, so they will direct them to who they need to vote for. I find this very insulting, and it makes me more determined than ever Barr will NEVER get my vote. You people are really hurting his campaign by trying to force others to do as you want. Oh well, guess you must not really want Barr to win anyway,which suits me fine. He is someone not to be trusted, and the people supporting him are reflecting that very well.
"They" do not support Barr
If they did.. they would have realized they are not gaining support from the constant trolling on here and are responsible for turning more AWAY from Barr! That is counterproductive but they ignore the obvious and continue.
They support the establishment GOP and are here to divide and distract us...I am quite sure many here recognize this as typical neo-con tactics.
Here I am...
I redirected based on Ron's own words that a write-in is not the most effective way to support our progress. I listened to my leader.
I took Ron's direction to focus on the Campaign for Liberty.
Thus I am supporting Bob Barr instead.
Don't question my commitment to this movement. I maxed out on the Presidential Campaign, donated to the Congressional campaign, and contributed to other RP republicans.
If you want the site, I'll sell it to you and contribute the money to the Campaign for Liberty. Any questions?
You have proven your integrity
by coming forward. But it still isn't a foregone conclusion that Barr gets Ron Paul votes. Quite the contrary. I think he has given every indication of being a stealth neocon. If I had to select from the ballot candidates, Baldwin is a much more appropriate replacement for RP.
Thanks for your support of libertarian candidates
Don't pay any attention to those on this site trying to pick fights. I, too, maxed out on the Ron Paul campaign and supported other activities. I'm still wearing Ron Paul gear when I get a chance.
In my case, though, I am a member of the Libertarian Party, and I will support the most libertarian candidate, whoever that turns out to be. My state doesn't count write-ins unless the candidate files as one, and Ron Paul won't.
I'm rooting for Ron Paul delegates to nominate him, but if they don't, my message to the GOP is: I'd rather vote for someone who "can't win" but advocates small government, than McCain or Obama.
Freedom brings us together.
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Marcus
Thank you for your contributions and efforts to Ron Paul's campaign.
While I don't agree with the change to supporting Barr now, you have the right to operate your site as you see fit.
However, it does give a sort of shady appearance of diversion, so that might bear some looking into.
Wow, what a big surprise.
Wow, what a big surprise.
He's a liar, and he's for Bob Barr.
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A liar about donating to Paul's campaign?
Nope. Here's proof of $3276 of donations to Paul from him: http://fundrace.huffingto...
I think you owe him an apology (which I'm doubtful we will see, given your history of rudeness).
Why can't some of you people understand that a person supporting Barr does not mean their opposing Paul? Dr. Paul is no longer a candidate.
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unbelievable, troll
You are misrepresenting Ron Paul. Stop please.
I defy you to produce the source for your assertion that according to "Ron's own words that a write-in is not the most effective way to support our progress..."
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How are you going to get
How are you going to get Paul to file as a write-in candidate again??? I think I missed it the first time.
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Maybe I'll ask him in Washington D.C. on July 12th...
...but I have never insinuated that I would do such a thing.
How are you going to end Stalinist-style elections and black-box electronic balloting running proprietary software and ensure that votes for ballot-qualified candidates are quote-counted in secret?
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Well you're gonna have to
Well you're gonna have to ask him because unless he files a declaration of candidacy for each state the write-ins are no good.
We need to somehow stop black-box voting and make this a deal breaker issue. Though I doubt we'll see any daylight in the black-box. After the election we could see some rioting. If we could somehow elect a 3rd party candidate. The 3rd party would fix the election discrepancies. The two major parties have no interest.
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I don't have to do nada
....but you're gonna have to end Stalinist-style elections and black-box electronic balloting running proprietary software and ensure that votes for ballot-qualified candidates are quote-counted in secret if you want to elect a third party candidate.
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True anyway regardless of
True anyway regardless of who you back.
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Here's the source:
""I don’t think that’s very productive," Paul said of a write-in campaign. "They could do it, of course, but in most of the states it won’t count. If they can change the rules in a primary and not count all the votes, imagine what they could do with write-in votes!" http://www.reason.com/new... http://www.libertymaven.c...
And you knew the source existed, because it's been shown to you before. You're being disingenuous.
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unsupported tripe
That does not support the assertion "that a write-in is not the most effective way to support our progress" according to "Ron's own words."
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My first response is my last
My first response is my last response. Good night.
I didn't think so...
Just an unsupported assertion.
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Ron Pauls own Words
“I don’t think too many of them will vote for John McCain,” he said. “I think there’s a lot of support for Chuck Baldwin. He worked real hard for our campaign, so it’s going to be real hard for me to say I’m for Bob Barr.”
bottom of article ...
http://thefacts.com/story...
Great. Looks like he's going to be endorsing Barr.
Notice the words "GOING TO BE real hard to.."
We already know he SUPPORTS BOTH Barr and Baldwin: "I think [Barr's]running a very important race, and I'm encouraging him. I haven't endorsed him, but he's saying the kind of things I like to be heard and said. I hope he does real well. But, we also have Chuck Baldwin who runs on the Constitutional Party. His views are very very close to mine, and he worked very hard in my campaign. So for me to pick one over the other is not easy. I hope they both together get a lot of votes." http://www.dailypaul.com/...
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No...what he is saying
is that if "Bob Patriot Act Barr" was truly sincere about Constitutional Freedom and had the voting record to back it up then he would have been out supporting Ron Paul like Chuck Baldwin did!
actually
I think all we can truly surmise from this is that he doesn't feel that it would be right to put his support behind Barr when Baldwin had done so much for his campaign. He certainly isn't backing Barr here, nor is he backing Baldwin.
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Actually he's backing both
Actually he's backing both of them. Informally.
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Barr's other record
* "In the 107th Congress when Ron Paul stood up for our sovereignty against the United Nations (Roll Call votes 245 and 246), it was Bob Barr who supported him ... just as Barr supported Paul in cutting corporate welfare by limiting funding for the Export-Import Bank."
* "Barr is a co-sponsor of H. Res. 197, 'Stop U.N. Gun Ban.'"
* "Barr supports H.R. 2615 'Stop National Medical ID and the Patient Privacy Protection Act.'"
* "Barr is a leading defender of civil liberties. He introduced legislation that forces the National Security Agency's Project ECHELON to provide a full accounting to the Congress of their covert monitoring of millions of phone calls, faxes, and emails."
* "He led the fight against National ID Card proposals and introduced legislation in 1998 to check the federal government's abuse of wire-tapping laws — including the use of roving wiretaps — and also opposed governmental interception of cellular phone calls."
* "He introduced legislation to mandate that the federal government issue 'Privacy Impact Statements' every time it issues a new rule or regulation."
* "He was a chief sponsor of a law to limit abuses of the civil asset forfeiture statutes."
* "He fought against OSHA regulations and to limit small business vulnerability to frivolous labor litigation."
* "He is a board member of the National Rifle Association, and a staunch defender of the right of Americans to own and use firearms. He has introduced and sponsored legislation to block litigation against gun manufacturers for the acts of their customers and to limit any background checks and mandate they be conducted 'instantly.'"
* "Barr has succinctly advocated the principle that while criminals must be punished to the full extent of the law, their civil liberties must be protected with even more vigor."
* "He is a staunch defender of American sovereignty and opposes the executive branch's overzealous use of our military abroad he even filed suit against President Clinton's war in Kosovo without congressional approval."
* "He is a fierce critic of the United Nations — and to a lesser degree NATO — and has consistently supported efforts to withdraw U.S. membership from the United Nations."
* "He co-sponsored a committee amendment to withdraw the U.S. from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank."
* "Since his first day in Congress back in 1995, Barr has tirelessly fought to eliminate the Internal Revenue Code, supported the "flat tax" proposal, and consistently supported passage of a constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds supermajority of Congress to raise taxes."
* "He was an early supporter of lowering the capital gains tax and recently he introduced legislation to provide tax credits for educators: public, private, and homeschool!"
* "More than any other member of the Georgia delegation, Congressman Barr has parted with the Republican majority to vote against bloated "pork barrel" spending."
* "He has continually fought the unconstitutional [McCain/Feingold] 'campaign finance reforms.' Defending our fundamental rights, he has filed a lawsuit to prevent implementation of the recently passed legislation."
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mmmm...
Yummy shit-sandwich with "Patriot" Act and engineered war filling huh?
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Best shit sandwich you ever
Best shit sandwich you ever had. You want me to post Obama's record?
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Don't bother
Don't bother. I don't support candidates who have so little respect for the Constitution as to vote in favor of the unconstitutional "Patriot" Act.
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Barr DID step out and support Paul:
Watch this speech: http://youtube.com/watch?...
Barr also tried to draft Dr. Paul to run 3rd party Libertarian when his campaign was winding down. Barr only stepped up to the plate after Dr. Paul turned down the offer.
Someone
Fix this broken record. The sound is killing me.
Support Bob Barr
He has the greater chance than Baldwin getting into the debates. That requires 15% polling.
It doesn't matter who you vote for, but who you financially support and campaign for.
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15%
That is all we need. 15% to get Barr in the debates. I do not care if every single person writes in Ron Paul as long as they say the support Bob Barr and send him some money to get him on the ballot in Oklahoma and then get him in the debates. He will kick ass in the National debate.
I wouldn't support Bobber
I wouldn't support Bobber even IF he could get in the debates, which he NEVER will, as it is exceedingly unlikely he will ever poll that high, as the Powers-That-Be will never let him, just as they prevented Ron Paul's voice from being heard during the primaries. Nice try, but no cigar.
If you think the Powers-That-Be
would never let Barr poll that high, then it seems like a conspiracy theorist like you would be supporting Barr. That would mean that the elites that find Dr. Paul a threat to them also think Barr is a threat to them.
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Slimy ... but doesnt mean a thing
If it mattered which of the also rans that we voted for, than RP would have endorsed one of them.
Without that endorsement it should be pretty obvious to everyone that whomever we vote for will not effect the result ( at least not the way we would like it to) one iota.
So go ahead and show us your true colors all you "libertarian" minded individuals.
What with Bob Barr and Mike Gravel headlining the LP I am begining to think that the Libertarian party is to Libertarians what the Patriot act is to Patriots.
Not Quite
It is called a TRUE big tent. With people from all walks of the political spectrum coming in to fight the fight for Liberty with us.
Naomi Wolf was an adviser to Al Gore and now she is writing about the police state and fascism in America.
We have to let people in and build alliances. This prudish anti Barr stuff is foolish. Hooray for Gravel and Barr for joining the Libertarian Party! Maybe Bill Clinton will join and fight against NAFTA that would be great!
Barr has been fighting against his vote record once he woke up.
Why don't you wake up and see that Freedom is popular. Barr has been on the Libertarian National Committee for that last few years and he supported Ron Paul up until it was clear that Ron was not going to run as a Libertarian then he entered race. And Gravel has a libertarian voting record. He filibustered the Vietnam war. Stop bashing the Libertarian Party or go vote for McCain because if you do not want that party to grow you are no friend of Liberty.
Its a quagmire ..
One of the things I find most amusing about politics is the back and forth flood of "defectors" between the various parties as many seem to continuously position themselves conveniently within one party or the other based upon the pursuit of their own individual power.
As example of what I am driving at, look at the rash of people now leaving the sinking GOP. I have had democrats I know actualy boast about how great it is for them to have all these old repubs joining them now as dems, without stopping to think that all that is happeniong is that the brand they had supported is now become something entirely different than what it once was.
Any wonder why there is virtualy no difference between the two major parties with such a fluid system of allegiance with little or no core principles?
As far as the "growth" of the LP. Hmm ..
If you felt you could trust politicians in their actual intent then one might applaud the entry of former dems and neocons claiming that they had suddenly woken up. Or one might remain suspicious of the intent.
When you find someone in politics that you actualy respect and trust, someone who's lifetime voting record doesnt need to be taken with a grain of salt, than it may be wise to do as they do.
No endoresement is no endorsement. It is so for a reason.
Bicycle
It is like a bicycle Dr. Paul's peddle is is going down for the time being and Barr's is coming up. The force of Barr when he gets to the top will push Ron Paul back up and the Revolution will move on gaining speed.
YOu are right
Ron Paul is the best statesman to run in a long time and I understand why people would write him in. I may in fact write him in. But for now I want Barr in the debate and will do what I can to make that happen. Who else is going to ask Obama why he voted for the FISA crap and to keep funding the war and makes threats on Iran? Barr went to school in Iran and was born on Nov. 5th.
Who else will ask McCain about immigration? Barr is a not afraid to be the pain in McCain's and Obama's a$$ we need. Otherwise the debate will be a bunch of fluff and our ideas will be on the sideline. I am not endorsing Barr I am saying he will carry our ideas to the national debate where they belong in 08 and show that a 3rd party is needed.
you're really reaching now
This brutish Anti-Write-In-League stuff is foolish.
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"Anti-Write-In-League"
"Anti-Write-In-League" That's just collectivist propaganda.
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write-in Ron Paul in the general election
I'm not the one orchestrating what appears to be an organized campaign to attempt in vain to discourage people from voting according to their own independent thought, principles, judgment and conscience. In fact, I believe that it probably has the opposite effect with most Ron Paul supporters.
I encourage Ron Paul supporters to do just that--vote according to their own independent thought, principles, judgment and conscience. And I encourage them to get the facts (not speculation, guesses, and conjecture) about write-in voting in their particular state and write-in Ron Paul in the general election.
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If that were true you
If that were true you wouldn't be telling people what to do at all. The only logical thing any skeptics can do right now is wait and make an informed decision when the time comes.
And it is you who is labeling people as if they are part of some underground network of dissenters eking to derail the revolution with ninjas, wizards, and Chinese hackers.
You created that "league" in your own mind no one else. You still have no understanding for what liberty is and yet profess to support it. If you don't understand the first thing about liberty it just makes you look like a fraud.
Your problem is that no matter how many facts you come across that stymie the possibility of a write-in you're inclined to ignore them. Essentially all you're saying is, use your own judgment and write-in Ron Paul.
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Please cite the source(s) of your "facts"
"...no matter how many facts you come across that stymie the possibility of a write-in "
Please cite the source(s) of your "facts" that "stymie the possibility of a write-in" in all 50 states. But don't bother if your "source" does not cite corresponding references to support its findings.
I am encouraging people to write-in Ron Paul in the general election, continue the Ron Paul for President 2008 grassroots campaign and support the Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty. I am not telling anyone what to do.
You, on the other hand, choose to attempt to discourage people like me from writing-in Ron Paul at what seems like every opportunity.
I believe that individual liberty is the concept of self-ownership, that our unalienable God-given rights and freedoms should only be limited when they infringe upon the liberty of others. And that the government's primary role is to preserve individual liberty and freedom.
Because I have reported what I have observed on the Daily Paul, that there appears to be a systematic effort to discourage people from writing-in Ron Paul, regardless of their own independent thought, principles, judgment and conscience and given that effort what I believe to be an appropriate label, does not indicate that I have no grasp of liberty. On the contrary, I accept full responsibility for my words and actions.
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You forgot this one: "He
You forgot this one: "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression." - Thomas Paine
How many states would it take to filibuster the write-in? One? Two? Four??? A candidate is not eligible to be a candidate for write-in if he lost in the primary. This is the rule in some states. If i go out and dig this information up will it be enough? Surprising you haven't done this homework yourself, I certainly don't see you trying to find a way to circumvent this ruling.
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Just as I thought...
...no sources to support your assertions. As far as homework is concerned, I plan on doing mine, but I know of at least two websites that will not provide the information that I need to help make an informed decision:
write-inronpaul.com
write-inronpaul2008.com
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Hey shit head. I asked you
Hey shit head. I asked you how much information you wanted and how much would be enough. I'll get it straight from the secretary of the state in however many states you will need to be satisfied. If you can tell me what it will take to be satisfied. Can you??? I doubt it.
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since you didn't comprehend plain English the first time...
Please cite the source(s) of your "facts" that "stymie the possibility of a write-in" in all 50 states. But don't bother if your "source" does not cite corresponding references to support its findings.
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Any Secretary of State
Any Secretary of State website, for any state in the union douche bag. What fucking source do you want? It doesn't get any more sourcier than that.
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