Constitution Party question
I know RP said he went republican to get the media attention he wouldn't have gotten otherwise but how can we make the constitution party bigger than the republican party by next election? If we have the numbers we don't have to go through all the B.S. that we have to go through with the so called republicans. I'd like to get his son elected next go around. We have 4 years to do it. That's assuming he would want too.
I want an honorary shrine built in RP's name. He should be remembered for generations for all that he has done and continues to do. Matter of fact the Ron Paul Party has a better ring to it than constitution party because the constitution is implied.
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Pastor Baldwin
A Bible/Constitution based party with a Pastor running as its candidate will not appeal to anyone but the libertarian and conservative Christians. Other than that, I do like what he stands for.
It is a good name - the CP
I don't think younger ‘revolutionaries’ won’t vote for the CP for all the reasons on this thread. Just too religious.
Like BigT said, the CP probably like the platform they have. Problem is – they are using the wrong name! The Constitution doesn’t mention drugs or abortion. Wish they had picked another name.
I would happily vote CP but I am kinda conservative, not a Christian but pro life and don't mind Christianity and don't disagree with most of what is in the Bible. But that’s me.
So this is why I have a lot of sympathy with Barr supporters. He is NOT the better candidate, just his platform is more likely to succeed and it is truer to the Revolution in terms of it being *libertarian* and not *conservative constitutionalist*. The problem with Barr is he is not enough of a constitutionalist (and Wayne Root is a neocon).
I think if this movement is going to have any real traction, it must avoid religious talk totally.
All those stories about Dr. Paul appearing at college campuses and kids saying 'the only thing I disagree with you on is abortion'. That’s the reason the CP won’t get that much bigger imo. And it's not consistent - if you have religion in your platform, you therefore have a really good *reason* to be statist/coercive.
The reason Dr. Paul gets away with being pro-life is because his whole philosophy is consistent. And his pretty radical position on the war on drugs and gay marriage. And he never mentions religion or very rarely. They let the prolife thing slide - he gets one free one.
I think most young person will be lost if you are socially conservative on other things.
And if we don't have these young people we don't have a Revolution imo.
Anyone ever consider
the fact that they have that plank in their platform for a reason?
And that they don't expect, nor want, people in the party who can't abide by that platform?
I wonder how the
I wonder how the anti-religion people here would feel if Ron Paul was the CP nominee?
As with the Constitution
As with the Constitution Party, the American Patriot Party opposes government recognition of same-sex unions, and believes state and local governments have the right to criminalize "offensive public sexual behavior"; Homosexuality is termed as a unnatural and mentally destructive habit that violates the natural rights of another; as it's participants have the physical ability of natural relations as nature had intended, but choose or have been indoctrinated not to;
This is a voluntary relinquishment of a natural right and acceptance of such, which is inconsistent with the laws of freedom, placing it within the context of both voluntary slavery and slavery. The party further opposes pornography, believing the state and local governments possess the power to take a stand against it.
The party stand is to protect privacy, but also to promote local community laws that allow greater powers to victims in civil courts to prosecute sodomy and past indoctrination of the innocent so to create an unfavorable atmosphere for those who misuse, deal in and market the destruction human lives.
The party maintains that citizens, local communities, county and state governments have the responsibility in preserving standards of decency in America. This is a local community, county and state power to regulate the crimes of slavery, voluntary slavery, sodomy and prostitution.
This is my main departure from the Theocrats. They have endorsed states rights only for the sake of criminalizing "offensive sexual behavior". I am for states rights but that's were I get off. The state has no business legislating morals or criminalizing sexual behavior. This notion that you can decide for someone else for their own good what is best for them is a tool of collectivism.
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...
States rights - unless they disagree with you?
Quote from the Constitution:
Am I reading things out of context, or do you think that child-porn and NAMBLA should be considered Liberty? Isn't that criminalizing sexual behavior? What about rape?
BTW, your italicized text isn't from the CP, although you paint the picture as it being the CP stance. I don't believe that the CP would broad-brush disagree, it's a bit intellectually dishonest - like hearsay evidence.
RP is 99.999% in tune with the CP.
States Rights for EVERYTHING not specifically spelled out for the Feds to be involved with.
That means, yes - if RP would become POTUS - States would have the right to criminalize drugs... they would also have the right to criminalize abortion.
I believe RP would not morally object to either one being criminalized.
I used that text because it
I used that text because it it exemplifies the "Theocratic" stance. I'm not trying to generalize the parties position. I'm trying to understand where the philosophy derives from. The APP is like a hard line CP party. I never alluded to anything else. If I was being dishonest I would have removed APP from the text and made it look like it really came from the CP.
(You can't rape the willing) As for rape and other sexual behavior... where these things cross the line is when there is an unwilling participant. Now you're taking liberty away from someone else. I believe you and only you have rights to your body. The Theocrats do not believe this. This is where the bible comes in. They believe that you cannot separate your rights from yourself. Meaning no prostitution or same sex activity or any personal handling of what you do to your body deemed self-destructive.
Coercion of a minor to be willing is still trying to take away someone else's liberty. What do you do when a minor cannot be coerced and has sexually relations with a non-minor? These are hard questions but I'm willing to bet that the Federal government is not equipped to answer them. And still should be handled on the state level.
I believe that with states rights people will become less apathetic and more involved with the issues as it effects their state. I think the item of "coercion" in general needs to be answered not just as in pertains to minors in sexual activity but the public at large. These questions will never be asked unless the states have rights.
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...
By collecting signatures for
By collecting signatures for Baldwin if he is not on your states ballot yet. By hounding the media to cover Baldwin's race. By forcing media to let him in their debates. By attending Christian sponsored events and promoting the party.
After becoming more familiar with states rights doctrine. I am in favor of state parties as well. I'm researching different parties constitutional understandings of the positions they hold on various issues. Trying to create essentially a Ron Paul platform for a state party. I've dubbed it the "Bull Whip Party" project. The hope is to educate the public threw endorsements of liberty candidates. And field candidates where no other alternative is available. It will be used to "whip" elected officials when they fail to uphold and defend the constitution. The idea is to maintain control of the liberty minded voter block on a local level and grow it threw activism. Candidates seeking office should want a BWP endorsement because if you don't have it you are probably a target for removal in the political landscape.
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotp...
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocrac...
Constitution party platform problems (4 me)
The constitution party is only for Christian believers, you are going to have a hard time getting a broader base of people with that platform. Good luck! Maybe you can get Rev Hagge to promote the Christian constitution party.
Don't Think You Did Your Homework
you just sound anti - Christian and don't like the fact Baldwin is a Pastor.
CB follows the Constitution and acknowledges freedom of religion for all
and or no religion for those who choose that. You really have to read his
material and watch his speeches on youtube -
Of course, he will not be 100% like RP - (in that case - who is?)
but, Baldwin is the closest we have to RP Freedom Message -
I will be voting for him (my state doesn't allow write ins)
www.baldwin2008.com
Baldwin is light years from Hagge and Parsley -
I am sure other believers on this forum know what I am talking about -
if you go to his church site or personal ministry site you can find out
all about his doctrine beliefs etc...
Please don't try to lump CB with other Christian pastors!
Indeed!!
Hagee wouldnt agree because then we would have to pull all support from Israel and that would conlict with his plans to get the anti-christ back on earth so they can build that 3rd temple!
Honestly though...I wont vote for Chuck Baldwin because he uses Jesus Christ and Our Lord and Savior in context with the Constitution and Bill of Rights,,,,,
Beware of the christian fascists among us!
I see what you are saying.
I see what you are saying. My comment was out of line. I like most of the platform, but soaking it in Chrstianity makes me uneasy. Freedom brings people together, religions divide them up and I feel that is what the mention of Jesus throughout their political platform does.
Totally agree with you on
Totally agree with you on the religion dividing. I never even looked into the party just assumed it was just a pro constitution party. It's a great name for a party. It sucks that all the religion is involved. I don't think any religion is right mainly cuz your beliefs are strictly made according to where you grew up. If you were born in Iraq you'd be a Muslim and so would I.
One Last Comment
and then I am going away for a while.... most likely longer -
while I totally understand the uneasiness with the Constitutuion Party
using the name of Jesus - Savior and Lord ....
however, don't think for one moment you are the only ones that will attack
Baldwin - know that other Christians will find fault in him - maybe he
went to the wrong Bilble college - many may criticize noninterventionist
approach. So all of you Christians or non-Christians are going to spend all
of your time majoring on the minors -
You do realize there are far more greater issues in this election than
family values and if CB will pray in Jesus name etc... (which I hope he will)
He is against the UN being involved with the USA - he wants them out.
He is against NAU and Real ID
He wants this war to stop - and bring our awesome military home
From around the entire world.
Get rid of taxes - IRS
Defend our borders -
stop creating money out of thin air -
on and on and on and on ... you know, BIG issues -
and we are going to have people get in a hissy fit because the guy is
a Christian Pastor and the Party is based on Christian principles -
This shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone - and if it is a problem
thank God you can vote Libertarian or Green Party etc...
Last vent = remember what led you to Ron Paul to support him ...
(for me it was the Freedom Message and all these major issues and more
listed above) I have an opportunity to vote Constitutionally this year
and NOT vote for the lesser of evils (as we all know they are all evil)
For me, I am not real surprised that a Pastor would use such terms -
it doesn't bother me - especially when I know he is going to uphold the
Constitution and end this stupid war and not go into other wars and
police those nations etc...
peace to all dailypaulers!
You are not alone
I like the platform too, but after uncovering how much religion is in their platform I quickly moved on.
Yep, that turned me off...
...too.
http://groups.yahoo.com/g...
Moral fascism.......
is still fascism. Give me liberty or give me death!