George Carlin: Religion is BS

The world of Rumi is neither exclusively the world of a Sufi, nor the world of a Hindu, nor a Jew, nor a Christian; it is the highest state of a human being — a fully evolved human. A complete human is not bound by cultural limitations; he touches every one of us. Today Rumi's poems can be heard in churches, synagogues, Zen monasteries, as well as in the downtown New York art/performance/music scene." According to Professor Majid M. Naini Rumi's life and transformation provide true testimony and proof that people of all religions and backgrounds can live together in peace and harmony. Rumi’s visions, words, and life teach us how to reach inner peace and happiness so we can finally stop the continual stream of hostility and hatred and achieve true global peace and harmony.

In other verses in Masnavi, Rumi describes in detail the universal message of love:

Love’s nationality is separate from all other religions,

The lover’s religion and nationality is the Beloved (God).
The lover’s cause is separate from all other causes
Love is the astrolabe of God’s mysteries.

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I like to think of religion and spirituality as being two entirely different concepts.

I don't much agree with religion. For me, it's the dogmatic arm of spirituality. Religion is the set of rules that govern a person's action, not an effort to answer the eternal question of the meaning of life. Religion has been used throughout the ages by the most evil of people, those wolves in sheeps clothes that hide behind their robes and claim to be holier than thou, yet often are themselves the biggest hypocrites out there. Religion is basically a way for the ruling class to control the ignorant masses.

Spirituality, on the other hand, is the attempt to understand why we are here, and thus is a more noble and worthy pursuit.

I don't need to go to church I'll do it right here. I pray for everyone in the liberty movement every day.

If you want to know why they are born that way ask your father.

John 8:38
38 I speak what I have seen with My Father , and you do what you have seen with your father ."

some of your fathers handy work.
Luke 23:28-29
"Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children . 29 For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!'

This is how my Father feels about children.
Matt 18:12-14
12 "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? 13 And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

Luke 18:16-17
16 But Jesus called them to Him and said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

As for the question who is God.
Acts 17:22-34
22 Addressing the Areopagus

Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD .

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, "We will hear you again on this matter." 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

As for discribing my Father. I can do one better I can discribe both my Father and your father

Your father
Gal 5:19-24
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

My Father
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love , joy, peace , longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

As for why I pity George. I pitty him for wasting so much time becoming so smart that he believed that all the answers resided in himself. And that he was so sure in his belief of non belief that he did everything he could in his power to beat down others who had found a love greater than any love they had known. It is not a sign of intelligence to belittle someones spiritual beliefs when you have never been blessed with the experience yourself. A wise man would ask questions of how to gain this experience for himself. From the years I've noticed that George actually hated his father (at least that is how he made it apear). For this I pity him because Its a terrible thing to not have the love of your father. Of course if his dad was a bad person I can understand him not being close but feel sorry for him that he never recieved this most special bond between a father and a son. I would think that would make him want to know his Father who created him that much more to fill the void. I hope he did before he died. I also pity him because while he beliettles my Father who gives him life. He actually does his true fathers work and it shows by the words and actions coming out of his body. Every person has a father and they all while do the work of one of them there is no other option. one you chose the other is the default (original sin effects grown ups! Also most children with defects are the most sweet souls on this planet. Its a blessing God brings to them for the disfigurment caused by the work of your father. As for storms that kill people. Storms are part of the nature of this planet. They has many useful purposes. God only uses wheather to fulfill prophacy in the working of signs and wonders. also back to the ant and algibra. The ant might not comprehend algibra however that doesn't mean its not real. If an ant could talk he would tell you that you are ignorant there is no such thing but me and you both know there is. The ant could call you stupid and do everything in his power to refute the idea of algibra and me and you would just laugh. I find myself laughing quit alot in this thread.

I admired his forthrightness and humor but am always saddened by those who are blinded to faith.

Yet another wave of atheists swoop down upon us to whine. These people are not real America supporters. They are part of the zionist plan to break down society.

I would like to ask him how he feels about spirituality. Religion, to me, are the ridiculous rituals people feel they have to perform to be obedient to God, when in reality they are paying homage to the church they attend. Spirituality, to me, is acknowledging a faith in God and the communal spirit we all share and can learn and grow from.

I do not. You do not have to teach a child to lie. You do have to teach them to tell the truth...in my experience, which is really what your argument rests on, children for as adorable as they are, are born doing what is wrong.
I couldn't disagree with you more on this and I truly wish I could change your mind...but I do give you my word that I will fight for as long as I live for you to freely express your opinion.

peace and love

Since I actually agree with the person who posted about keeping focused on the prize of liberty I'm just going to say this. Christian theology holds that that sociopaths or those born with down syndrome or anything else, are all affected by Original Sin. We are conceived in the very thing that causes suffering. You don't have to believe it, Carlin didn't have to believe it, but you can't belittle other people because you don't understand it.
It is because each is born in sin, that Christians can say God is just in all his dealings. I don't particularly understand why little kids have to die in floods and I find it as sad as anyone. But I do understand that they were not innocent. Again, nothing you have to believe, but I think you should understand what Christians believe before you attack their God as unjust or incapable.

see this
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Why promote division among the ranks? There's enough bickering going on here about creationism. Many of the Founders were religious. Many were not. They got the job done. The prise is Liberty. Keep focused on that.

Thanks for your display of respect...

dailycarlin.com or something.
I watched the first 2 minutes or so and couldn't take it anymore. You want to know the truth? Real Christians give money because we understand our treasure is in heaven not on earth. Real Christians understand that suffering exists not because of anything God did wrong but because of what we did wrong with the freedom God gave us, precisely because were created in his image.
Real Christians understand that Hell is the eternal actualization of the bad (read sinful) choices we made with the freedom we were given. To imply that God's love is incompatible with Hell shows a failure to even try and understand real Christianity.
Honestly, if George Carlin wanted to sit down and have an honest debate about the existence of God and legitimacy of religion he could have made his points. But all this video demonstrates are the research methods and aptitude of the Fox News anchors. Carlin was afraid of the truth so he put the worst possible spin on God, and covered it with a joke. His comedy perish with him.

This is really sad. This is exactly why this movement will fail. Instead of focusing on the task at hand, there will be fighting about philosophical differences.

Alot of people in this movement praise Ed Griffin's book. And, in it he states that one goal of the NWO is to destroy the peoples belief in God, because they know that if people think this is all there is there is less resistance to their movement.

I find it quite ironic that those who are so hardcore in defending Ron Paul will, in the same breath, attack his, Ron Paul's, very own Christian beliefs.