9/11 "Official Story" believer challenge: WTC collapse

GO! Go find out. Do your own research. Don't just stew in your suspicions. Don't allow yourself to be "played" or "punk'd, or "duped" just because you rightfully distrust big govt.

When you find the answers, get back to me on my thread here: http://www.dailypaul.com/...

I would love to know the answers.

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

Well Iron-man01, I probably "don't do a good job debunking anything" because you refuse to read and watch and listen .....as you said yourself, you won't go to my debunking site, hence how can I to do a "good job" if you won't even go there?

Your first video has the archetic of the WTC quoted as saying the buildings where built to with stand plane hits of a 707. That one sentance is true. BUT, the movie used him, his authority, and his qoute as something to back THEIR claim that the buildings Could Not fall because it was designed to take plane hits.

As I said, context is everything. I may review a movie and say, "I can't believe they spent $9 million making this movie. It sucks Big Time" and the movie promoters quote me saying, "Big Time $9million dollar movie!" , but would you call that Misleading? Would you call that HONEST?

So Iron-man01, I researched him for you, found out what the WTC archetect really said and thought about 9/11. I put his words in context, gave you the full quotes and link to his 2002 essay. Fact, he is not a 9/11 truther. Fact, he did not say that the building COULD NOT have came down because of plane hits to the building. Indeed, they certainly COULD HAVE.

Now, where is YOUR simple honesty to saying, you know, you are right, those filmakers stretched the truth, they made it seem as if he was on the side of the argument that the video was making, they used his authority, they took him out of context. WHERE IS YOUR HONESTY SIR, on saying, you know, you are right and thank you for pointing this ONE thing out to me.

SO, fact ONE is debunked. Why should I or ANYONE bother with fact two, three, four, five, or a thousand other facts that your 9/11 truthers all string together, IF, you can't at the very least, admit just ONE fact is no longer, a "fact" in your quiver?

For everyone reading this, take note. When one fact after another is UNCOMFORTABLY challenged and removed from the table, what else is left?

Your hatred for big government and distrust of it, certainly. But the 9/11 truth conspiracy is all smoke and mirrors.

Look, even left wing Noam Chompsky does not fall for it, and millions of his leftist followers are SHOCKED and MAD at himf for not jumping on board. Look there is libertarian Penn & Teller, two Magicians who certainly know when a Trick is being Played on them or not.... they are used to doing "slieght of hand" work, heck that is how they make their living. Then there is Dr. Ron Paul himself, not a Truther, does not buy into a conspiracy.... but certainly would like a new investigation to see who BUNGLED it all: read Dick Cheney, Condi, and GW BUSH.

When we hang our hats on "evidence" that is NOT evidence, then we are being mislead or allowing ourselves to be mislead -- probably because it feels good.

I am a long time libertarian since 1979, so I hate and mistrust big govt. But I am no 9/11 Truther, and I look hard into the claims by JBS and Alex Jones types. They come up short..... long on fear and speculation, short on facts.

Go to my thread, read the debunking conspiracies sites. Its uncomfortable, yes I will agree with that. But its better to have your feet on the ground of reality and evidence, than to be going off have crazed because it Feels good. Don't be like Iron-man01, a true believer who is 100% convinced. So closed that he on the one hand, tells me to look at yet another video, but will not go to look at mine.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

Just who is he talking about? He is talking about the administration and the neocons who support them and the MSM which goes along with the War propaganda.

So, how in anyway does this address my response to your video that YOU ASKED to be explained?

I took the time to explain to you about your video that has you convinced. I researched it for you and explained it at length. I choose the first "fact" in the first minute of the video on the designer of the WTC and what he said and DID NOT SAY, I put his statements in CONTEXT, something your precious video did not do, and I laid it all out for you.

A thank you is I think, in order, EVEN if you disagree. I am trying to reach your rational mind you see.

YET, what I get from you is that you are going to place your hands over your ears, and close your eyes to my Conspiracy Debunking Thread.....why? Because you are simply "convinced" of your "years of research". Well if you were HONESTLY researching you would want to know if your facts are holding up, or if you and many others are being played, punk'd, duped into supporting a Conspiracy for the financial benefit of the makers of the Conspiracy Theories. They get you, (and Me initially) by appealing to our already strong inclination not to Trust the MSM, the Govt, and various authority figures because we have see through other lies, (WMD's) well ahead of time. But don't let this be YOU. Keep a rational mind.

"Trust, but verify" as Ronald Reagan once said.

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

In Peace & Liberty.

The only thing suspect is you. No, that not an ad hominem, that's fact.

I suggest you change your tag to the more appropriate:

In War & Tyranny,
Dreg

With all due respect, these are examples of straw men. You see, you have stereotyped a group and believe them to rely on these few people for their data. While it is possible that many "truthers" do listen to these people, it is irrelevant to the question of what actually happened on 9/11.

A cursory examination of the official story reveals contradictions that cannot be remedied. Some of these include the falsities told by top officials as to their whereabouts, including even Cheney.

If you would dismount your high horse of pretended "reason" and step onto the solid ground of reality and evidence, you might develop an entirely different picture. Tell me, for example, how a lumbering commuter jet could be piloted so precisely by a man unable to fly a tiny single engine cessna, through the best protected airspace in the country (possibly the world), over an hour after the military was on high alert. And how could this amazing pilot disable the Pentagon's anti aircraft systems? If you believe the official story, you have literally 100's of questions that you need to answer. Bush's Commission certainly refused to answer them, and the victims' families decried the failure of the commission to respond to the majority of their questions.

Time to swallow your pride and start thinking objectively.

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Then Iraq.

They knew after 9/11, they could get away with anything.

Here are four links (see bottom of this response) that give compelling evidence that thermite or the like was used to bring down the buildings. There's lots more available; all you have to do is poke around to find it.

As for your first question: the US gov (and the Bush family) has had close ties with the Saudis for years; this certainly suggests one reason why the hijackers were Saudis yet we attacked ANOTHER COUNTRY ENTIRELY after the terrorist events.

Also, as I point out in the column:

Our Constitution, our history, and international law all suggest that our response to the 9/11 attacks has been wrong and, once again, outright criminal – even aside from our systematic violations of the Geneva Conventions regarding torture. Furthermore, there exists a remedy that would have likely succeeded at capturing, killing, or otherwise neutralizing our enemies without causing all the needless death, destruction, and other negative effects of our 'Preemptive War' approach.

That remedy, listed by name in Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution, is the use of letters of marque and reprisal. Congressman (and now presidential candidate) Ron Paul introduced the Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 to deal with the problem of the 9/11 attacks by specifically targeting only the people responsible, rather than going to war with nations that had not attacked us. Early administrations in U.S. history successfully used letters of marque and reprisal to deal with piracy. Paul's legislation was ignored in favor of our present, incredibly disastrous course of action. Why?

Below, those links I mentioned about how the towers were brought down (and remember, my #1 reason for a new investigation -- that "the 9/11 attacks have been used, very successfully, as cover for tyranny and aggressive war" -- remains valid whether this or any other element of the 9/11 Truth movement is accurate; it remains valid even if the Official Conspiracy Story is completely true) --

http://www.prisonplanet.c...

http://www.rense.com/gene...

http://www.whatreallyhapp...

http://current.com/items/...

Here is one you can't explain

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

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