(Updated) R[EVOL]UTION Invading Owl Gore's Global Warming propaganda matrix.

Posted June 27th, 2008 by wninja

http://www.wecansolveit.o...

The We Campaign is a project of The Alliance for Climate Protection -- a nonprofit, nonpartisan effort founded by Nobel laureate former Vice President Al Gore. Our ultimate aim is to halt global warming.

What can I say. I'm as appalled as you are. But if we don't do something, these eco-freaks will be driving the bus of our demise.

*Update* I have committed to doing it. I'm going into enemy territory and I am invading wecansolveit. I started a group and posted a blog.

http://www.wecansolveit.o...

Please join and help out if you can fit in the time.

*Update*
Group: The R[EVOL]UTION
Handle: Paradigm Shift
http://www.wecansolveit.o...

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On July 3rd, 2008 wninja says:

Anybody interested in helping out what?

Commission on Presidential Debates - http://www.debates.org/pa...
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Some of these "global warming experts" scare me.

On July 2nd, 2008 freethepawn says:

I read an article by a leading global warming expert over a year ago (I wish I remembered where I read it), he said that what we really need is a pandemic to get rid of millions of people. It left me wondering which people were expendable.

One thing is for sure, the earth will still be here if there are people on it or not.

Natural things can occur to knock out the sunlight and cool us down. A couple come to mind: Yellowstone erupting or a giant asteroid hitting the earth. I remember some years ago a large volcano erupting half way around the world. We had two cold summers due to the ash blocking out some of the sunlight.

I don't think we have as much control over the climate as we like to think we do.

Yeah when you bring up

On July 2nd, 2008 wninja says:

Yeah when you bring up Yellowstone, that ones a dozy. Underneath Yellowstone is the Caldera. Look it up. The active volcanoes we generally acknowledge and observe look like pimples next to the Caldera.

During the tsunami in southeast Asia. Astronomers were tracking an asteroid the size of Texas. They were monitoring it to see whether or not it would pass threw an observable section of space that if it passed threw that section then it stood a chance at hitting the earth the next time around. I have no idea when that's supposed to be and the story was shelved in light of the tsunami. The asteroid was named after the ancient Egyptian deity Apophis the Destroyer.

I hear some things about the sun that raises concern as well. Solar storms and sun spots and such.

One thing

On July 2nd, 2008 Kemp says:

Why call Al Gore "Owl"?

Owls are a symbol of wisdom. Al Gore is not wise.

Just my two cents.
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My liberty-minded home base of thought:

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“This guy is so far out in

On July 2nd, 2008 wninja says:

“This guy is so far out in the environmental extreme, we’ll be up to our necks in owls and out of work for every American.” - Bush Sr. on Gore - circa 1992

BEFORE YOU POST - READ

On July 2nd, 2008 Athan says:

Ok, guys, this global warming issue is the wrong hill to die on.
I'll tell you why:

1. Its YOUR choice to support eco-friendly or energy sound policies. This is NOT THE RELM OF GOVERNMENT. The free market will handle this issue by your monetary support. If Joe wants to buy a fucking motorcycle or bicycle, why are you going to infringe on his freedom to make that decision?

2. We need to reach out to the eco-friendlies and inform them that when the government gets involved it gets worse than if associations and organizations did. Tell them something like "Green peace will do a better job than if it was handled by some dumb ass department like the FDA." and tell them to join the Revolution.

Then we need to reach out to the pro-energies, tell them to ignore the eco-friendlies, and help us remove bad government regulation so JOIN THE REVOLUTION. There WILL be people who don't wish to join us. Fuck them and their bitching because it will go no where and they are lost causes.

So before you review the bickering below and decide to join in, remember... THIS SHIT IS NOT THE POINT OF THE REVOLUTION. We need to ween off of these stupid mainstream media sponsored bickering that achieves NOTHING and gunks up our government. Hell, don't even post and let this topic die already.

Funny, but not really...

On July 2nd, 2008 wninja says:

How you've managed to make my point while simultaneously bashing my thread on how to get that point across. Somewhere in the midst of all this you have missed the point to this thread. Perhaps you only read the non-argument below. Well below that is more of what the point to all this is. Perhaps you just didn't take the time to get the point. IDK, but please whatever you do go out and get a clue.

Thousands of scientists have done the research...

On July 2nd, 2008 ggibson1@hotmail.com says:

When was the last time you global warming skeptics went to the north pole and did a ice core study? Never.. that is right... so unless you are willing to put up EMPIRICAL evidence like the scientists do then maybe you should concentrate on something else you have some real knowledge in.

You may not like the whole taxing pollution credits plan that the democrats have been pushing... but that doesnt mean the scientists and their evidence is invalid.... the scientists can be wrong but they at least have evidence backing up their arguments... what is backing up yours?

Actually...

On July 2nd, 2008 nidhogge says:

...NO.

There is no empirical evidence to support global warming, in fact, the scientific evidence strongly suggests otherwise. Many scientists are against global warming, however, global warming is being used as a global facade to pull the wool over the eyes of the sheeple to be used as another means of mass manipulation (global taxation incoming). Scientists that support the theory are getting funded to support the theory. Scientists aren't objective people more often than not, they're human...they want fame, and they want money. They are not beyond forcing square pegs into round holes to make a buck or media mention.

Wish I could find this article from this renknown scientist that exposed all this bullshit. Got so many bookmarks it's like searching for a needle in the haystack...

go ahead and show us...we want to learn

On July 2nd, 2008 JKap says:

Please share with us the incontrovertible, observable, empirical and measurable evidence that human activity is the cause of global climate change. And remember, correlation does not prove causation.

The onus is upon the government, not the people, to prove its case for "global warming" since it is they who wish to enact legislation that encroaches upon the liberty of the people to "save" us from global climate change. And that is not to say that I oppose scientific research and investigation of our environment, but that when it comes to codifying "scientific consensus" in legislation that restricts individual liberty we should all demand a high degree of scrutiny and clinical analysis.

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you bring up an important distinction

On July 2nd, 2008 JohnGalt300 says:

Fortune Favors the Bold

global warmning is an empirically observable fact, obtained from measures of average temperatures around the globe over time. The question of to what extent human activity influences it versus other factors, as well as the long term consequences, are debatable.

Ever hear of Google? Try using it.

On July 2nd, 2008 ggibson1@hotmail.com says:

Or if you dont know how to use Google just turn on Discovery Channel or History Channel where you will see the scientists actually doing the ice core drillings... or other work day to day to day gathering evidence.

Learn a little about science and you wont sound so ridiculous... empirical evidence is basically facts gathered... not opinion... the evidence COULD mean multiple things.. that is what science is all about... scientists trying their best to interpret the FACTS that they gather... people just going around holding Al Gore up as their counter facts is just ridiculous.

"Many scientists dont believe global warming..." Well thats nice and all but they need to do the research and publish their findings... just having opinions means nothing.

There are many many more scientists that DO believe it but their opinions dont matter either... there are thousands of scientists that their whole job is going around the world gathering evidence or gathering facts from satellites that they use to scan the earth and they DO think it is real and they have FACTS to back it up. Until some of these "I dont believe" scientists go out and do the same work I am not going to believe them... opinions are like ass holes... everyone has them and they all stink.

TV

On July 2nd, 2008 baileyjf says:

Nothing goes on the television unless someone has something to gain by you believing what you see. Television is "make-believe".

I used to like the History Channel until I woke up. They broadcast flat out lies. They aired a show one time that said the founding fathers created a mess that had to be cleaned up. That was the last time I watched that channel. In fact, I no longer have cable.

Yeah, I too used to love

On July 2nd, 2008 wninja says:

Yeah, I too used to love educational TV but then something happened.... oh yeah Ron Paul woke me up. Now the only TV I take in is threw Youtube links.

Ever hear of a rational argument?

On July 2nd, 2008 JKap says:

As I said, the onus is on the government, not people who are skeptical of "global warming." Skepticism is not responsible for the alarming trend toward infringing upon individual liberty--the government is.

If it is so self-evident as you seem to believe so wholeheartedly, then it should be no problem for you to provide a link to incontrovertible evidence as I mentioned above.

"Many scientists dont believe global warming..."

Why are you attributing that quote to me? Those are not my words.

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Couple of things

On July 2nd, 2008 JKap says:

Couple of things.

These Good "Green" Germans should be aware of the Japanese water-powered car reported by Reuters, that the Federal Big Brother Government has halted permits for new solar power plants due to "environmental impact" concerns, and the fact that the Federal Government is the single biggest polluter in the world due primarily to its expansive global military empire (which one Barack H. Obama intends to maintain).

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The first story is one that

On July 2nd, 2008 wninja says:

The first story is one that needs to get out. The second you can follow that story on the WE site although I'm not sure what's being spun over there yet. The 3rd is the type of angle we need to approach the GW eco-freaks with. And the forth is one we need to shove down the throats of the Obamunist GW eco-freaks.

Last winter I read that all the ice had returned

On July 2nd, 2008 RonPaulistheAnswer says:

that had melted during last summer.

Now I read that the ice cap at the north pole might completely melt this year totally for the first time ever. If that happens, it will be very difficult to convince anyone that warming is not real.

I'm not up there, but it seems like it either is or it isn't. For Pete sake, why can't a consensus be met?

Because it's been happening

On July 2nd, 2008 wninja says:

Because it's been happening for thousands of years. Global warming and cooling are a real phenomenon. The problem is that Mr Gore has blamed mankind for this warming. Man is guilty of pollution but not warming. That's just beyond our control. We cannot convince these eco-freaks that GW does not exist. What we can do is educate them on why, while giving them real solutions they can feel good about and keep them from signing up to give away our country to the UN.

There is a consensus in one area. That's fossil fuel and our dependence is part of what's killing us financially.

The issue has been coupled to energy alternatives. Clean energy alternatives in particular. This is that ball that they attempting to control, but for me and i'd think any free market capitalist would agree that more is better in this area. The more competition for alternative energy the cheaper it is. But the powers that be are trying to regulate this as well to maintain control.

The alternative fuel movement is on and going. The GW movement can seriously stifle alt fuels if they give into unjust laws and regulation. The committees, sub-committees, and bureaucrats will use GW to manipulate alt fuel initiatives which would allow competition to drive markets.

Of course many blame the "free market" for almost anything that ails them and I take those caveats. We cannot stop the ship of GW but we can keep it from setting a course for oblivion.

What

On July 2nd, 2008 Dale in Oklahoma says:

wninja said...and then some.

This would be nice wn, if

On July 1st, 2008 Crickett says:

This would be nice wn, if there really was a Global Climate Crisis. Since I just sent articles to my unbelieving Alaska sister who sees the North Pole melting, here they are for you:

http://www.aim.org/public...

http://ibdeditorial.com/I...

http://www.globalwarming....

The ice age cometh...

Well the object is not to

On July 2nd, 2008 wninja says:

Well the object is not to dispute GW. Only answer the concerns of those worried about GW and educate them on what can be done to answer their fears. While also not doing more harm than good by giving our sovereignty away to UN initiatives and taxation.

I'm not trying to refute their claims to science only their claim to principle. Much of the GW concerns are genuine concerns, but misguided. GW is symptomatic to bigger powers of nature. These people that have bought into it really believe mankind is to blame as Gore has suggested because when they look at the environment and see garbage everywhere it somehow all makes sense because Gore said so. These peoples true concerns are Global Pollution which is a very real concern. Gore just did a meaning swap and now people equate Pollution with Warming.

Most any Pollution solution that can be had answers the concerns of the GW sympathizer. What we should be trying to stop is GW initiatives that do nothing but further criminalize citizenry and allow for those who can afford the financial/legal/political tapdance to circumvent the system altogether.

These people are being sold "Cap and Trade" and without any alternative or other solutions on the menu, that is what they will order. We need to spread the truth of the dangers of such initiatives and continue to push alternatives that do not jeopardize Liberty.

I've created a group called

On June 30th, 2008 wninja says:

I've created a group called "The R[EVOL]UTION

A Liberty oriented Thinktank dedicated to the preservation of Liberty. Addressing Global Warming and Global Pollution policy and the effects on US taxpayers in light of an exponentially increasing deficit. Government Regulation and bureaucratic protections of established energy monopolies hindering forward progression of alternative energy initiatives. As well as present sound solutions that accommodate both energy needs and green solutions.

I hope this is an adequate mission statement and I hope you will join in helping me present the case for liberty to those joining Owl Gore on his misguided crusade. Now if we can just influence them and not get banned.

I posted some of Paul's

On July 1st, 2008 wninja says:

I posted some of Paul's writings on property rights and environmentalism.

http://www.wecansolveit.o...

Please rate it and keep the message alive. I don't want the eco-freaks to bury me.

Well the enthusiasm for this

On June 30th, 2008 wninja says:

Well the enthusiasm for this project is less than I had hoped for but No matter. I think I've got enough to get started. I'm going to invade We.

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

My feeling is that we need

On June 27th, 2008 wninja says:

My feeling is that we need to inject our views into his latest propaganda machine. I'm considering joining his little forum and start throwing around conjecture. I don't doubt there could be Global Warming going on but the idea that it's mankind's fault and that we can stop it absurd.

When you speak out publicly on GW, they try to say you don't care about the environment. Well for myself. My stance on the environment is that over all we should not be seeking to poison ourselves threw poison of our environment.

If you are reading this on your laptop right now here's some food for thought. Inside your laptop, Lead, Mercury, Hexavalant Chromium, Beryllium can be found. In a age when technology becomes obsolete after but a year. We have created a world of disposable electronics. Which end up in landfills where these toxins can leach out contaminating water supplies, or incinerated where they are released into the atmosphere.

Whether it's fluoride or chemtrails makes no difference and yet the eco-freaks have focused on carbon emissions and not even all carbon emissions just the ones most of us can't avoid. If carbon capture and sequester is their only big word issue. Couldn't they just grow a biomass that absorbs carbon? The answer to their issue is simple and we have the technology now. Hemp and algae can produce clean fuels, capture carbon emissions, and potentially save our economy. But again government is in the way controlling, manipulating markets, and screwing us all. And by that I don't just mean the American populace, but the global citizenry as well.

So check out Mr. Gore's new project site and snoop around. The site allows for community networking. If there is enough interest here. I'll join and we will go to war with Gore and the eco-freaks.

wninja

On July 2nd, 2008 JohnGalt300 says:

Fortune Favors the Bold

the thing is, you don't KNOW that human activty isn't related. What you csn point out is that evidence leading to such a conclusion is not as solid as some would have you believe (although this is sort of besides the point, since the real thing here is not about global warming, but about government intervention)

True, but if you consider

On July 2nd, 2008 wninja says:

True, but if you consider what area man kinds influence may have contributed. I think the GW pushers would say "deforestation" and i'd have to concede that fact. Since plant life a takes in carbon and puts out oxygen. Here we certainly don't need govt. intervention, govt. has already intervened with the prohibition and eradication of hemp. Another example of current govt. intervention might be big oil handouts or freezing the solar power plant movement.

So while I think mankind has made pour choices. I do not think any of these pour choices is the straw that broke the camels back.

ROFL Nicely put

On June 29th, 2008 bigmikedude says:

I agree with much of it but, hemp, in and of itself, is not worth a heroes mention as the potential savior of our economy. We surely won't fail without hemp. Yes there are widespread INDUSTRIAL uses for it, but as I said, it is absolutely NOT the sole dalai lama of economic prosperity although NORMAL would do their best to have you believe that, and we all know that in the end, the NORMAL members could care less about the industrial part of it.

How do you know?

On June 29th, 2008 wninja says:

There isn't anything you can make with oil that you cannot make with hemp. If you can fuel, that alone could save our economy.

But hey if you know you shit then here's some easy money for you.
http://www.hemp4fuel.com/...
100,000 challenge to prove them wrong.

Good luck!

sweet

On June 27th, 2008 social engineer says:

This forum looks like fun to attack.

Lately I've been thinking that the Revolution needs an organized way to spread out and attack every forum that we can find where our message could be heard.

Maybe I'll design a website in the future for that purpose.

I got this from the FFI website.

On June 29th, 2008 wninja says:

I think it sort of typifies how we should go about attacking GW. We have to disseminate the difference between Global Warming and Global Pollution.

Hello Mr. Griffin,
I read a few of the articles about global warming on your site, and it seems that there are many more people who oppose the idea than those who don't.

While I'm inclined to agree with the position of some who say the government is encouraging it as a way to enact more laws, hence reduce our freedoms that much more! However, I can't help but look at the issue from another standpoint, namely global pollution!

I don't think there's a soul who could deny that our planet is indeed polluted and that there is hardly a clean body of water anywhere to be found. I used to eat a lot of fish, but now refrain because of the Mercury contamination of sea life. There are toxins in our food supplies and industrial waste is everywhere!

So, while there may be a question about the veracity of global 'warming', I hardly see how there can be any question about global pollution. And in that context I believe human life is every bit as endangered......if not more so! Could this global warming be a red herring to take the focus away from global pollution? Something to think about!

Regards,
Mary Sergiacomi

This was my reply:

Hello Mary.
I agree that global pollution is a serious problem, far more serious than warming (which is a non-problem). The fact that the totalitarians are pushing warming rather than pollution is revealing. Pollution can be controlled by local ordinances and education whereas stopping supposed warming requires draconian measures that require the loss of personal freedom and mammoth intervention in our life styles, economic output, travel, and every other aspect of our lives. That is a dead giveaway that these people have a hidden agenda that has very little to do with the environment.

Thanks for really caring about our world.

very good post

On July 2nd, 2008 JohnGalt300 says:

Fortune Favors the Bold

It had occurred to me that under the federalist model, different states could enact different pollution standards. Some states might benefit economically, but become very polluted. Others may have poorer economies, but be greener, depending on what the people wanted.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

Check out this site as well. It too has an interesting community interface.

http://fora.tv/myfora/spo...

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