US Halts applications for Solar Plant permits
Posted June 28th, 2008 by JohnGalt300
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The US Bureau of Land Management, overwhelmed by applications for large-scale solar energy plants, has declared a two-year freeze on applications for new projects until it completes an extensive environmental impact study. The study will produce 'a single set of environmental criteria to weigh future solar proposals, which will ultimately speed the application process.' The freeze means that current applications will continue to be processed — plants producing enough electricity for 20 million average American homes — but no new applications will be accepted until the study is complete. Solar power companies are worried that this will harm the industry just as it is poised for explosive growth. Some note that gas and oil projects are booming in the southwestern states most favorable to solar development. Another threat looming over the solar industry is that federal tax credits must be renewed in Congress, else they will expire this year."
Oh wise and all knowing government, please protect us from the evils of solar power! I'll be sure to write them a thank you note when I get my energy bill.
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The time for Marches and Petitions and Whining is over
When is enough enough? When we are starving to death and can't fight back?
I have a license...
for a high speed (up to 4K mph) ground-based transportation system. I expect to share in profits if we eventually get this system off the ground.
That's a much bigger motivation than a coupon for a system that may never be mass produced. It's also motivation for me to try and market the system to interested parties. I've put together "no-frills" slideshows for Disney, Russia, India, and the states of California and Hawaii.
There's already one company marketing a solar system for communities.
There's certainly nothing to stop you for establishing another one. One big contract might be all you need to get your mass production in place.
What's your motivation for?
Are you motivated to be a part of this for personal profit or because you think the world needs your product to avert a crisis? The reason I ask is because if your lifetime profits are 2 to 3 times what you invested, that's great, but not as good as what I offered. If you say you're looking toward more than 5X ROI or even perpetual income, then I would say you're causing undue expense in the retail system price of your product. What value do the investors add to the product ten years down the road to justify keeping it's cost so high? I'm all for profit and returns on your investment money, but a major reason products are so costly is that any large public company can never keep it's stock value constant. They are virtually mandated, by shareholder pressure, to always increase profits. How does that help our energy crisis when we need to get clean, renewable energy to the most people we can at affordable rates?
Another question might be what extra expense did this company incur to be able to offer you that license? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, just to understand. I don't really see how a license applies to someone not planning on building a product based on the licensed technology.
Yes, there are other solar companies, but to date, they are all based on old school, piecewise thinking or battery supported designs that doesn't really threaten the status quo. This is a whole house system providing all the energy the consumer needs, eventually including transportation.
Getting one big contract is easy. We've already got verbal 'letters of intent', provided we can produce the product as advertised. The problem is finishing the development details and setting up an assembly shop. Being so close is why we don't need so much investment (looked at as bad to an investor!) and don't want to risk it all by getting a vulture capitalist involved.
Why don't you ask...
daryl@et3.com? He has tons of technical data demonstrating proof of concept of his high speed transportation system. I don't know what you have. Am I driven by profit? Darn right I am, though I'm not greedy, either. No offense, but I'm just a little tired of being ask to donate for "this project" or "that project" that will "benefit mankind, only to find I have no input and see no proof of results. A good example is Lt. Col Tom Bearden. He received a patent on a "motionless electromagnetic generator," a "free energy device" in 2002. He whines all the time for donations, so he use the few hundred thousand he needs to finish the job; then gets downright irate when people suggest stock investments or license agreements. After six years, he still hasn't produced a marketable MEG, all for want of his pride; or, is it a hoax? I honestly don't know.
What would I do with a license? I might help you market your product, making you many times your investment in me and many, many, many times what I would donate, even if fully informed and convinced of the viability of your product. That's how free market capitalism works, and that's just the kind of thing Ron Paul advocates.
They HAVE to
They have to limit this or the sun will be depleted.
Yeah, solar is going to
Yeah, solar is going to cause global warming as well.
umm this smells dirtier than
umm this smells dirtier than a week old diaper. So lets see, we have record high oil prices. We have alternative energy via electrolyzed water being suppressed. We now have solar alternatives being suppressed. Yet we are subsidizing corn which has been and remians to be the most exploited plant in perhaps american history (used to be used as the primary source of alcohol during prohibition, essential for high fructose syrup found in most process foods, predominant food mandated to be fed to livestock in the US, etc etc). So instead of alleviating the price of energy in the way of encouraging alternatives, we prohibit them en masse and pay out the nose for foreign oil (of which fed gov receives a small portion of, not to mention the amazing tie ins between oil rich saudis and the oil rich administration in power today). Ontop of that we subsidize a skyrocketing-in-price crop, corn, to use as alternative energy, making corn used as a food source more expensive (feeding into all of your beef tenderloins and hamburgers and stuff) which makes food more expensive as a whole, and the federal government can then claim that its doing this all in the name of the best interests of the people?
how far is too far?
They can control corn
Make a profit like oil keep people from being energy independent.
Makes you sick as hell. I have gone from total excitment with the implementation of HHO on my car and at the same time morbid disgust with knowing the true nature of this reality.
It's already too far.
Why not issue licenses...
to private individuals? Allow those individuals and corporations to use the licenses for their personal use, just as software firms do now.
I'd also contact software developers to make your design part of their "Sim City" type programs. Then they can provide you with simulation models that can be used as hard data for large scale community proposals.
Don't fool yourselves. Donations most often come with some kind of strings. Anyone with enough money to provide you with a "no strings" donation is also smart enough to find some way to control or even steal your intellectual property. Offer individuals some concrete value for their personal use in exchange for their money and you may very likely find enough people who will do just that. It's worth a shot.
I don't quite see it
I don't see licensing it as practical because the cost is in the manufacturing process and that's only brought down by volume production.
I think the Sim City idea is interesting but at this point, we're trying to stay under the radar and not attract competitors so that sort of kills that. Good potential on this one for after we actually want publicity.
You do bring up a good point about offering value. What if I offered a coupon for X times their donation value off a future product? e.g. $100 donation today gets $500 off a system after we get them going. The problem is that I think the SEC might have something to say if I actually solicited donations.
PEAK OIL DEMAND anyone?
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I've said this would happen for years...
I've been trying to start something that attempts to solve our current crisis for 25 years. After technical analysis, the potential list was narrowed to only a few. After applying the possible government 'assistance' type of manipulation we see here, I've narrowed it to only one with the large scale potential we need. This system is virtually identical to the big solar plants in this article, except it is scaled down to residential and small business size. Doing that offers the consumer affordable electric plus double that quantity in free heat as well. And yes, it's viable way into parts of Canada.
I've been joined by a few others and we've built many pieces of the whole system. We now are all refinanced to the hilt, borrowed against our first 3 born and have a product waiting to get going. Here's the rub... we can't get any financing that will allow us to keep control of the company. All options have one or the other of the following stipulations. We either place a majority of 'professional' board members on our board, increase our startup costs 5-10 fold, and relenquish control, or we partner with some organization that has a majority of big energy types on it's board. Yes, this includes non-profit research since we've found them to just be more sneaky in their 'support'. Even government grants specifically exclude home solar thermal electric but if one comes up we do qualify for, it takes over control of our intellectual property.
I've come to the conclusion that the only way to get going is shoestring it from no-strings donations. I've considered starting up other businesses to fund it, but the timeframe just extends out way too far. Anyone else have any good ideas? I'm at my wit's end!
It seems that no one else has any good ideas. (bump)
What does everyone think of the idea of a company starting up from donations from people wishing to change the face of our energy crisis?
could you not issue a crap
could you not issue a crap ton of private stock up for sale and try to make investment go viral outside of the usual investment group and appeal directly to the consumer base of which you hope to, in time, provide service to? It sounds kindof far fetched but the tools with the internet exist today to get that going. its not like people would be donating their money for nothing to a presidential campaign or anything, its a real investment from which they can potentially financially gain. The average person may not realize that solar has been booming in very recent times and that it is potentially a hugely profitable investment, but i think with the right message it could work.
a strong web presence and clever viral videos would definitely be crucial to making it work.
That was basically the premise behind the donations *wink wink*
To offer people some value (the future coupon) for their donation now. To offer honest to goodness legit shares of stock (even private ones) requires jumping through so many SEC loopholes that we would have to add many so called professionals to the team that our startup costs increase a minimum of double. Once you add those types, they only want to finance it in more traditional ways which tie up more future profits with long term committments. It's a snowball scenerio which only ends one way - costlier for both us and the consumer.
What I'm asking is if people would be amenable to the idea of donating on a small scale (personally) for a discount later on. Every day, we hear of hundreds of thousands or even millions being donated to a cause without getting anyting, personally, in return. This would return a discount on a better alternative to oil/coal to society, much in the same way that an art gallery returns to it's local community. If we have to charge a high price and no one buys it, who benefits from that? (oil/coal)
Is this India?
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We beseech thee, oh great New World Order Leviathan,
Protect us from the sinful trepidations of Solar Power;
Succor us from the shame of those who would spurn Thy Holy Oil for Wind;
Shield us from the hunger pains of the mass famine caused by Ethanol;
Hide us for the evil incarnate that is bio-diesel or Bio-Willie (let us speak not his unholy name);
Yea, though we walk through the valley of the shadow of Dissent, we will fear no Conspiracy theorists, for thou art with us.
And we shall dwell in the shadow of Bohemian Grove forever and ever.
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haha.
haha.
If they can't..
.. control the product, delay and manipulate the delivery. Are they going to confiscate all the research in nano-solar technology for our own protection? God forbid us to actually make the process easier, cheaper and more available.
Abolish the BLM!!!
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dont bet on the gov allowing any real competitive competition
that would be the status quo i seem to be aware of! suppress all freedoms is the moto of a rouge gov! but again this is just some kind of conpiracy theory though so im a kook and should hop on my ufo and leave huh?
environmental impact study??
environmental impact study?? lol what a bunch of idiots!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Relegated to BLM land?
Is this moratorium limited to large-scale solar energy plants proposed to be built on BLM land, or, does this affect applications for all large-scale solar energy plants, regardless of their locations?
can't make this stuff up...
It's about time that Big Brother did something about all of these solar plants polluting and littering the globalists' private landscapes.
How dare the Proles attempt to harness the energy of the nuclear reactor in the sky.
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what endangered species...
will come from this...perhaps a desert cockroach?
good grief.
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
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U S halts solar
This is madness, one must presume there is evil method behind it.
ARRGGHH
600 million tons of hydrogen every second is what the sun is fusing to helium. We are but a speck of dust comparativley circling around this massive freaking energy source about 8 light minutes out.
And what are we doing? Stifiling scientific advance to utilize this emmense power source and continuing to burn crude fossil fuel that way a few thousand Psychopaths can live out their dream of being gods.
WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH... I am sick and tired of being looked upon by the elite of this planet as just one of their mother fucking sheep.
Just my .08 cents adjusted for inflaton.
pardon the language I'm pissed!!!
lol.......08 cents adjusted
lol.......08 cents adjusted for inflation?? let me correct you! try .18 cents!
to funny!
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One day I was going to have
One day I was going to have lunch with a friend and he says to me, "I only have 3 dollars can I barrow 5 bucks?" I say, "Sure, if you can pay me back at the rate of inflation." He accepts, reaches into his pocket puts his 3 dollars together with the 5er I just gave him and hands me back everything. lol
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Idiots!!! 2 years! WHo thinks BP or Exxon or some of our
exisisting power companies suggested this
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there is the saying
Fortune Favors the Bold
never attribute to malice what you can account for with incompetence.
However, in this case, one must be suspicious. With energy costs soaring, and the market prepared to innovate and adapt?