A SIMPLE SOLUTION THAT YOU CAN DO ALL BY YOURSELF: SPENDING SILVER EAGLES
Posted June 28th, 2008 by GREEDisBAD
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A conclusion that I just came up with is that there are two main things that are wrong in this society. One is GREED and the other is the debt based money system. These two things are interacting with each other and making things worse and worse.
But, I just realized that you can stop it all by yourself. Assuming this is legal, you can spend Silver Eagles (yes for $1 each). I know it sounds so stupid, but it's super GENEROUS and you are using real money. Of course, you can't do it everyday, but maybe once in 3 months. Even if only once in a year, you made a serious attempt to stop the evil, not just talk on the net. And maybe this will spread and eventually more people might become generous and they might chose to use real money and eventually the country might decide to go back to an honest money system. But, someone has to start somewhere and this can be you and I.
So, for example, I have an idea that if I buy something for $5, I might give $4 FRN and $1 Silver Eagle. Or, I might tip with Silver Eagles. Of course, I cannot do it often, but if I do it once in three months, it's still better than not doing it at all, I think.
However, I want to make clear that I don't think any of this will solve or even help anyone's personal finance issue. I only think that this will help us returing to a sound money system in the long run. I personally worry much more about DEFLATION than Hyper-Inflation. Therefore, I don't know about your situation, but in case of my own personal finance, I believe it is extremely important to save enough U.S. dollars to pay bills and taxes.
Anyway, here is an additional idea. If I spend Silver Eagles, I might also give this note and explain why I am doing it. Just so you know, I am not affiliated with the person who is selling this CFL note.
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And here is George Carling on Voting, but to me he is basically saying it's us who suck. And I get a sense of hope when I watch this because if it's us who suck, then we should be able to change this on our own.
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PLEASE, LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
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no need to take a loss
If someone with expertise tells you I am wrong, believe them - I am not an expert! However, here is my understanding and personal plan currently underway: The requirement is that we use legal currency. The value on the face is a recommended exchange rate, not a legally ordained one. Cultivate a local retailer, independently owned. If you can get one store to give you a dollar for your silver dime, or else agree to a neutral party to assign value (kitco.com's published value, for instance) and then do enough business with them to make sure they keep silver coins in stock to trade with you, you are still using legal tender. Taking you change in pennies, nickels or regular dimes and quarters still keeps the hated "legal debt notes" out of your interaction.
Boycott money. I will keep mumbling this, and perhaps one day someone will hear. If we all just did a few simple things: Fill gas tanks, pay all the bills and withdraw all the cash we will need for a month on one day, then spent NO MONEY the rest of the month, we would begin to regain control of our lives. Just go ONE DAY without spending any money, you will be amazed how liberating it feels. There is no need to suffer, just plan ahead. And it DOES make a difference, I have plenty of financial stress, but only on "money day." Nothing I can do the rest of the time, and I have other things to do. As for effecting the NWO, well, if I freed my mind for a few days out of the week, that is a blow of a sort, too.
It is time to stop MERELY spreading the word - now we have to bring the message HOME.
Have you been to your County Central Committee meeting? Will you be spreading the message on Independence day in your town, if you can't be in Sturgis? Will you be at a supportive event on July 12th if you can't be in DC? Much to be done, but look how simple it is to be REALLY effective in decapitating the NWO: Stop spending their money. I know, mortgages and all - I got 'em, too. Just get as close as you can. They need constant consumerism, 10% of the population only consuming once a week is a helluva start.
That's interesting.
You wrote, "The value on the face is a recommended exchange rate, not a legally ordained one."
That's interesting. So, does that mean I can spend Silver Eagles at a higher dollar amount than $1?
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
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Libertatems
Libertatems are one-ounce pure-silver medallions minted exclusively for Freedom Force International. Each medallion features eight symbols illustrating the ideological concepts of individualism as expressed in The Creed of Freedom. They are a storehouse of value, a hedge against inflation, and a teaching aid to popularize the laws of liberty. For an explanation of the symbolism, click here.> http://www.freedomforcein...
Libertatems have a mirror-like surface behind the images that creates a stunning contrast and a beautiful work of art that can be used for savings, gifts, or barter. As inflation erodes the value of government money, they will maintain value or even gain in purchasing power. There is a new issue each year and, in time, Libertatems could acquire collector’s value in addition to their intrinsic silver value. The first year of issue was 2007.
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That's a very good looking piece of silver, but it's not
a legal tender, so what can I do with it? I guess I can give as a gift. Maybe, I can give as Christmas presents this year. But, it's expensive.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
An ounce of silver is still
An ounce of silver is still an ounce of silver. The question is do you trust the weight is accurate? To trade silver all you need is 2 parties to agree to use them. That is it. If you have 4 ounces of silver, say 2 suisse credits, 1 suisse pamp and, 1 Libertatem. Sure the Suisse credits can be traded anywhere in the world. But the melt value is no different than the Pamp or the Libertatem. It all comes down to who will accept what. If someone agrees that all 4 silver pieces are weight accurate their is no reason to not accept them unless they plan to trade them internationally. What you really need to be aware of is the true intrinsic value, the melt value.
Silver bars and medallions have no numismatic value only intrinsic value. If you know what silver is trading at from day to day then the silver in your hand changes value from day to day in regards to FRNs. If all you can use for legal tender is FRNs then you will need to trade silver for FRN,s in which case to must know the weight/melt value each day.
If you use coinage with numismatic value that has a higher melt value then what do you do? If it is a legal currency you can't very well negotiate return change if you use a silver dollar to buy something that is worth a dollar. On the other hand if I give you a 1 ounce silver to pay for something that costs a dollar. You should expect change in return. Either 15 or 16 FRN's or so. Or silver which corresponds to the weight in change.
If you accept this as true then you will need to acquire a scale and become familiar with weight conversion used with precious metals.
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OK. I'll keep that in mind.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
WHERE CAN I PURCHASE THE SILVER ROUNDS?
I know it's been posted on this site before, but I don't know where I wrote the information down. PLEASE HELP!
try here thay are very reputable and they have almost everything
http://www.apmex.com/
Try a local coin dealer and build a relationship.
There are silver eagles and there are silver rounds. Which are you after?
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I agree with dcarter9's comment below: Give them a choice.
If you offer a choice of FRNs or 90% silver coins worth the same amount, it causes the recipient to consider which payment is more enduring and therefore valuable. They may on their own look up the price of silver and gold and read some opinions online about what's happening to the dollar.
My favorite coin to use
is a 64 Kennedy half dollar. I will sometimes use one to give a tip to a waitress and launch into a short spiel that in 64 when the coin was made the price of gas was 30 cents a gallon and the coin would buy one and two thirds gallons of gas. It would also buy a gallon of milk and give you change or two loaves of bread and give you change. But this coin is also the last year that coins were 90% silver meaning that this coin contains .36 ounces of silver worth about $6.20. That means I can sell the coin for the silver content and that it will still buy the same things because prices haven't gone up - the value of the currency has gone down. It is fun when sometimes you can see the light bulb come on over their head.
That is freakin' awesome!
Can you get these from the bank or what? How do you get them?
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I think what you are doing is great!!!
Do you know if many other people are doing something similar?
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
No
I am an army of one. I WILL change the world one person at a time.
That's great! I like your attitude!
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
tipping
>> I might tip with Silver Eagles
This is a great idea.
Thanks!
If I do this, I need to save more money, though. But, since I end up spending money on something foolish once in a while, doing this once in 3 months or so isn't too bad for me.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN GREED AND SELF-INTEREST
And, I believe it is up to you to define the line for yourself. Enforcing your values to others by laws can be very evil, in my opinion.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
There is nothing wrong with self-interest.
Enforcing "values" is a different concept and is definitely evil.
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I'm having difficulty
I'm having difficulty figuring out what your point is. You do realize that greed, the word, like any language, is just an approximation of observed events, approximations of thoughts, and approximation of directives, inquiries, ....
in other words, language is imprecise.
therefore I'm cutting you some slack in your rebuke of the concept: greed.
greed is just another way of saying "self interest"
are you aware that Ron Paul, Ayn Rand, and a great many people that form this movement are agreed that self-interest is at the heart of a successful society?
if everyone was self-interested, it would be a helluva easier time working all this stuff out.
but we have people who are interested in all sorts of things other then themselves.
people who want to save the whales, save the snails, save the environment, save society, save us all, save us from drugs, and save us from immoral behavior, and save face, and save the status quo.
pure greed on everyone's part would be self correcting.
but what people do is take their interests in other things, external to their lives, and disguise them as something for the good of all.
this is pure evil.
your self interest stops at controlling other people.
and this is a self-policing construct...as other self interested people will stop you from expanding your self interest to include control of others.
but, if you decide to cloak your desire to control others in utopian ideals, then you can convince people to give up their freedom.
your focus on greed as the problem, is the problem.
focus on liberty, and who's trying to take it away, and then you've made progress.
i.e. don't sacrifice liberty, no matter what good intentions are promised. be greedy with your liberty, even when people promise you that they'll save you, save your children, make you more comfortable, make you more safe, even when they promise that they'll keep the world a prettier place for you and your children to live.
utopian ideals put forth by individuals who think they can accomplish them are arrogant, and filled with visions of grandeur.
the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Greed is good
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Wednesday, April 26, 2006
Greed is good
John Stossel
"Who's John Stossel?"
That was Virgil Rosanke's reaction when "20/20" interviewed him for one of my TV specials. Without Rosanke and others like him, I couldn't have a steak dinner tonight, but I and most of the people he makes dinners possible for are unknown to him. He makes our dinners possible anyway.
Is Virgil Rosanke a philanthropist? No. Is he a government worker? Not that either. He's just a guy who delivers propane to heat water for cattle to drink. Why does he do it? To make money.
If pursuing profit is greed, economist Walter Williams told me, then greed is good, because it drives us to do many good things. "Those areas where people are motivated the most by greed are the areas that we're the most satisfied with: supermarkets, computers, FedEx." By contrast, areas "where people say we're motivated by 'caring'" -- public education, public housing etc. -- "are the areas of disaster in our country. . . . How much would get done," Williams wondered, "if it all depended on human love and kindness?"
Greed gets people to cooperate. If you want to benefit from other greedy people, you have to make sure they benefit from you. Consider one of the wonders of our age, the supermarket. There are thousands of products on the shelves. How'd they get there?
When I posed that question about just one of those thousands of products -- a piece of beef I bought for my dinner -- I found a trail back to an Iowa farm. That's how I learned about Virgil Rosanke, and how he learned about me.
We taped David Wiese and his family, farmers in Manning, Iowa, as they put in 14-hour days fixing fences, digging ditches, harvesting hay, and feeding the cattle. They don't do it for me and my neighbors -- but I'm glad they do it.
"Do you think it's because they love people in New York?" Williams asked. "No, they love themselves. And by promoting their own self-interest, they make sure New Yorkers have beef."
The Wieses are just the first in a long series of people who, by caring about themselves, make sure I get my steak. Wanda Nelson keeps the packing house clean. Rosanke delivers propane. Other people slaughter the cattle and butcher the beef; they rely on people who make their knives, their overalls and their protective gear. Then there are the people who make the plastic that seals the meat, who run the machines that do the sealing, who pack the meat in boxes, make the boxes, inspect the boxes, and run the freezer facilities. Still other people track orders by bar code, which means they need the people who make the bar code machines. Eventually, packed steak is delivered to Randall Gilbert, a truck driver, who hauls it to New York.
No one person made my dinner possible. It took thousands of people to get me the food. And none of them did it for me. As economist Adam Smith put it, "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest."
Rosanke and the others don't particularly care if some TV correspondent gets his steak, yet they cooperate to make it happen, motivated by self-interest -- what many call greed. Think about that next time you listen to my colleagues sneer at the "greed" and "selfishness" of private business. They don't realize that the institution they celebrate, government, is far less effective at serving humanity.
"In a free market, you get more for yourself by serving your fellow man," said economist Williams. "You don't have to care about him, just serve him. I'd feel sorry for New Yorkers in terms of beef. If it all depended on human love and kindness, I doubt whether you would have one cow in New York."
Does anything get done based on "human love and kindness"? Well, a nonprofit group called City Harvest collects donations of restaurants' surplus food for the poor. But where does that food come from? Greedy people like Virgil Rosanke produce it, and greedy restaurateurs buy it. Kindness can only give away the goods self-love provides.
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nice article. I think we see
nice article. I think we see eye to eye on this. ;-)
After the great news from NV, this is the post of the day.
Great job.
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Don't confuse hunger with greed.
As for debt based money here is a good lesson to learn.
“The Money Myth Exploded” was one of the first articles of Louis Even, and remains one of the most popular to explain how money is created as a debt by private banks. It is available in the form of an 8-page leaflet (tabloid format) that you can order from the “Michael” office, in several languages: English, French, Spanish, Italian, German, Polish, Portuguese.
http://www.michaeljournal...
Giving someone a silver coin when they don't understand
or appreciate it is a waste of silver, It takes more than a note for someone to fully grasp the meaning and history behind the white metal. You would be doing them a bigger favor by leaving them a copy of "The Revolution: A Manifesto" by Ron Paul -- about the same price as a silver eagle.
You want to give people a fish. Ron Paul wants to teach them to fish for themselves.
BTW, greed is not inherently bad. Seedlings are greedy for light, so they turn toward the sun. A newborn mammal is greedy for milk and will fight his siblings for a suckle. If you do not have a certain level of greed in your makeup, you would not be able to survive from day one.
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Define your terms, greed vs right to pursuit of happiness
A distinction needs to be made here. IF you are unwilling to give to a cause another promotes you might be called greedy because you want to keep what you have earned or dispose of it as you see fit. I would say you have a right to the use and disposal of your own productive effort. Greed should not be confused with desire for things and their honest pursuit.
A greedy person is one who claims a right to the unearned, acts as if he or she is entitled to something to which they have no just claim. They not only simply want more than they have earned they are willing to use force or fraud to get it dishonestly.
They might try to induce guilt in someone in order to get them to give up something.
The use of the concept greed to include actions taken in the pursuit of values by honest production and trade is a mistake. It undercuts legitimate claims
Wm.
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine" Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged p731
It's not so clear cut. If a person takes money in an unethical
way, but within a legal limit, can a person be greedy? I think so. I don't think it's ever so clear cut.
But, I gree with your sentiment. It will be nice if we can make the distinction. At least people should try, in my view. But, I think it's not so clear cut.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
Agreed galtgulch.
Not all causes are worth supporting financially. That doesn't make me greedy (except, perhaps in the minds of the moochers and looters), it makes me a good steward of my earnings.
The person who thinks I'm "greedy" because I do not donate to his/her cause does not know my personal circumstances nor, perhaps, my need to use my money for an even more worthy cause, say, medicine for my sick child.
The only legitimate use of greed I can think of at the moment is if I agree to partake in a collective or group event -- such as going to a birthday party -- where I proceed to eat all of the birthday cake. That, to me, is greed since I accepted an invitation to be a member of a group of party-goers. On a larger scale, the collective becomes "the decider" and one person's self-preservation is another person's greed.
The problem today is we have those who mooch and loot from us yet we never entered into any agreement with them. No matter what the cause, this is theft.
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Wow Lisa...
You just read my mind...Better get outta there fast...It's a dangerous place to be! LOL
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I love you kat.
Must be the drugs talking or that mind-control thing you do to people.
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Mind control? Alright!
Lisa C. You must send all your silver to Kat in Mississippi...Lisa C. You must send all your silver to Kat in Mississippi...Lisa C. You must send all your silver to Kat in Mississippi...
Is it working? Are you packing it yet?
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"I have once heard that the ability to resist temptation is the truest measure of a mans character."
Dustin Hoffman to Steve McQueen
"Papillion"
Uh huh, the container ship is on its way, kitty-kat.
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Girl...After being an importer for so many years...
I would love to see what those customs bastards would do with that!
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"I have once heard that the ability to resist temptation is the truest measure of a mans character."
Dustin Hoffman to Steve McQueen
"Papillion"
I will sometimes use silver coins
in personal business transactions. For example, last month at the barber shop. The normal cost of a haircut is FRN $12. I told the barber, "Would you prefer $1 in real money or $12 in FRNs. I then offered 2 walking liberty half dollars. When he took the walking liberty halves, it gave me an opportunity to also say a few words about how sound money is the hallmark of an honest business transaction.
I think that is great.
A bit different to leaving a coin with some cash and a note.
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