Computer Programmers Advice Requested - Revolution Project
Posted June 29th, 2008 by social engineer
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I think I have a way for us to turn our infighting into something much more positive.
It has to do with a program that I would like to develop for the Revolution:
The idea is to have a program that allows a user to post a URL to any conversation that is going on anywhere on the internet where other Revolutionaries should be joining to spread the message of liberty.
Anyone else who is also using this program will receive that URL in the form of a pop up bulletin.
This way we can take all of the energy that we have and use it towards arguing the message of freedom on every corner of the internet, instead of splitting hairs with each other.
What do you guys think of this idea? (I was inspired by a similar program that the Jewish community uses)
I would work on it right away, but I am busy with another big project for the Revolution which I will be revealing very shortly.
Does anyone capable feel like coding it themselves?
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Um...
How about a list service, like yahoo groups? Why re-invent the wheel? ( i say that as a professional programmer)
mailing list
I have been subscribed to mailing lists before, so I do have an idea of what you are talking about.
I'm asking myself to explain why I think that a standalone application would be so much better for the purpose of communicating these bulletins, and I'm not sure how to explain.
I don't know, it just seems much "cooler" to me, and I get the feeling that would make it that much more effective.
I will eventually have it created myself if I have to, how many hours do you think it might take a programmer to make something like this?
How about IRC?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
Who Governs the Governless?
IRC
Yeah, I'm familiar with IRC, but don't imagine using it for this project.
I do really like a web based javascript IRC client that just came out called Mibbit:
http://www.mibbit.com/
Have you seen it? it seems tremendously useful for putting a chatroom on a website.
The bulletins should be
The bulletins should be screened by moderators. If there is a heavy load of submissions then just setup the system so there can be any number of trusted moderators who can look at the master list of bulletins waiting to be approved.
I would not suggest allowing just anyone to post to the entire list. That would certainly be abused by spammers, etc.
100% correct
Perhaps I should have described that part in the initial post, but I too also realized that there should be moderation as well.
What I imagine is that basically an administrator is responsible for reviewing each bulletin before it is broadcast.
Could be a team of moderators, I'm not sure what it's "constitution" would be yet exactly, but I'll figure something good out.
I could do this
but it wouldn't be a program you install on your computer. It would be an email alert system, where you get an email. Many services like Yahoo also allow you to push new email alerts to your mobile device if desired. I even thought of a good name, and I could have it up by tomorrow. You could go to the site and submit the URL and any comments and you're done, the email goes out to everyone.
Could everyone please tell me if they would use this? Good idea?
Sounds good, but it should
Sounds good, but it should definitely be moderated. Otherwise it will be abused by spammers.
good suggestion
That's a good suggestion for an alternative, but I'm actually really excited about the full fledged application idea.
I'm not a programmer, but I will pay someone to build it myself if I have to, as soon as I get the resources, after I finish with my current secret project.
Here's the Wikipedia entry about the Jewish version of the software: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
The way I think I'd make it would be that any user could issue a bulletin about a discussion that is taking place anywhere on the internet where other Ron Paul supporters should be participating.
Then, the administrator of the whole program would screen the bulletins before they are issued to everyone else using the program.
If a user has real time receive option set, then the bulletin will just pop up on their screen, otherwise the user will see all bulletins once they open a window in the software.
Just some thoughts on it...
hmm
There are definitely different options or preferences for ways to implement it. I was just thinking of a way that takes the least amount of time to code, and people could just use MS Outlook for receiving desktop emails, or mobile alerts. If there absolutely had to be a local program I could do it with something like Adobe's new Air platform, but all that requires more than I might bargain for.
The real question I have is if enough people go different places to debate on the Net, and would sign up to use this.
My estimation:
I think if we build it, and then if if the CFL tells everyone to try it out, then yes, people will use it and it will have a big effect.
That's my guess.
Would the CFL get behind it if we go through all of the trouble of building it?
I'd hope so, wouldn't that be like their job?
We could always ask them ahead of time.
Yes, I think it might be a great idea
to run by them. They may already have the resources to get it done properly. Another, thing to consider is simply an attack on known forums. It's not hard to find forums with differing and "less-informed" points of view. :)
Will do
I just checked out Air.
Looks like a good platform as near as I can tell, I know I like Javascript anyway.
I wish I knew how to code myself, I can only do rudimentary things...
Sounds good
Yes, I think the Air platform (and those like it) are the wave of the future. If you build the program for windows, then it's limited to windows users and leaves out anyone on a mac or linux. Air is like Flash and lets developers cross operating systems.
Can you tell me the name of the similar program
used by the Jewish community? I could take a look.
found it
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
Thanks. I read the description. Neat little tool.
They send you a link, say to a site where a poll is being taken, and, if you click on the link, the software automatically casts a vote......the vote that the organization has pre-selected as being most favorable for the objectives of the organization. I like the functionality, but the idea that the subscribers will have their votes pre-selected for them does really fit my understanding of the CFL objectives and philosophy. Other than that, the basics of the application, from a client standpoint, are not complex. Either you click on the link or you dismiss it.
The Megaphone
Yeah, I wasn't really interested in the "ballot stuffing" aspect of the thing.
I just wanna make something similar that we can use to spread out over the whole net in order to engage the whole world on the topic of liberty.
I guess we can alert each other about polls too, but I wouldn't wanna automate votes for people myself.
We all need to focus on our strengths
www.dvds4delegates.com the newest and possibly the greatest weapon the Revolution now possesses.
it seems you got computer skills down to a science, so I will say it sounds great and you are heading in the right direction. Keep up the great work, I look forward to the finished product.
Thanks
I can't wait to show you what I'm building right now (within a week I hope)
What about a bunch of
What about a bunch of RonPaul underground cafes springing up all over the country..
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I think we need something
for new people at different stages of awakening. Today someone was asking questions that I learned about a long time ago but I didn't have any links or know how to guide them. It seems like it would be good to have something that is like stage one then two. Remember, how we first discovered Dr. Paul and the campaign and then one issue lead to another it was like a thread unraveling. People are asking questions and we need to be able to guide them so they can get real answers not MSM answers. The problem with us older folks by the time we have an answer we forgot the question. Peace
The Ron Paul File
just came across this wonderful site with all kinds of Articles by Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.co...
Well...
Once I get this program made (whenever that may be) then you'll be able to post a bulletin which describes the topic, and then everyone else who runs the program will get a little pop up telling them about the conversation and where it is happening.
Then everyone can help everyone with spreading info.
I know, you can do the same thing with a forum, but this will really streamline the process of spreading out all over the net to share the word, so hopefully it will work much better for this purpose.
Hey, now...
.....as the Bowery Boys, West Side Kids, used to say...."I resemble that remark...(about us older folks forgetting the question)......lol
Now that's old.........
Before my time
But appreciated nonetheless.
:)
Sounds interesting... CHeck out our great ideas
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Operation Daily Paul"
on revolutionbroadcasting.com
or visit www.mikeandjake.com
For the most part we can
For the most part we can already do that. You could post a link right here to any other forum and any of us at any time can follow the link and give our input about the subject the link directs us to. The problem is that people generally would rather post where they feel comfortable, meaning they like DP it's like home, they've already signed up, and over all feel some kind of security. Also, they would rather just argue. After all this is their favorite Paul site and they'll be damned if it gets taken over by other views. Which they could just as easily ignore, but can't let it go and have to chime in every time they're offended.
The only thing you need to do, to do what you are suggesting is to actively pursue the various missions other people post and keep those threads alive with updates. The free market completely rules here and you can see what's selling.
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Yeah...
In theory, any forum is capable of giving a community a way to share URL's for the purpose of going to other forums to spread a message, but my feeling is that an application like this could really streamline and enhance the whole experience, thus encouraging participation that much more.
I think I'll definitely create it as soon as I acquire the resources.
In the meantime, I'm just wondering if anyone else likes the idea, or if anyone who codes could give some technical thoughts on it.
Excuse me for asking a silly
Excuse me for asking a silly question, but what exactly do you envision? I mean, something like a gigantic forum that everyone would want to join because of its popularity?
Or do you mean that anytime someone posted an RP or Revolution link it would pop up on everyone's screen on the www?
Guess my thinking cap is rusty - what am I missing :-?
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a program
It would be a program that you install (very easily) and if you choose so, it would run whenever you start your computer.
So say you come home, then you could click on it, and then it would show you a bunch of bulletins (these bulletins are all broadcast by other Ron Paul supporters running this same program)
The bulletins would be a bunch of headlines, like say "Argument About Fed" or "Argument About The War" and when you clicked on one, then it would take you to a forum somewhere on the web where a Ron Paul supporter is having this argument with someone who is presumably not a Ron Paul supporter.
Now you can join that forum, and join that argument, so that instead of spending our energy arguing with each other we are spreading out to argue our common purpose ALL OVER THE INTERNET, so that we can draw as many new people into our world as possible.
(eventually every single person on the internet)
:)
Some good ideas
coming up here!
Yea, it's a good idea
But, I find signing up for other message boards a pain in the ass.
Anyone else agree?
Well Michael has them all
Well Michael has them all beat as far as functionality, display, and general loveliness I'd have to say ;-D
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Yes.
It is not the least bit cumbersome. Plus it looks as if an artist designed it.
The Daily Paul
What I'm talking about creating would not be another forum.
It would be a specialized tool for one particular thing that you could do on a forum.
Of course we'd still use the existing forums (Daily Paul is the only one I'm using) for basically everything that we already use them for.
This would just be to focus on one new thing that we should be focusing on a lot more (instead of fighting with each other)
Yes, but how do you plan to deal with having to register for all
these different message boards?
Do you any ideas on that?
Depends
If you don't want your email address all over the internet, then I can add a suggestion to the program advising users to create a dummy email account for this purpose.
But, if the concern is the amount of time that it takes to register on a forum, then I don't see anything that I can do about that at all.
However, the time that it takes to register on a forum is very small, and considering how much we could accomplish if we systematically converge upon the whole internet in this fashion, then the question is, why would a devoted revolutionary not wish to spend this small amount of time for this purpose?
Thanks for answering
That's a not bad rebuttal to my concerns.
Thx
Bump for positive input.
Bump for positive input.
Sounds like a great idea to me...
...don't know how to code (?)....sorry...bump, bump, bump
Thanks
So anyone have any idea what it would take to code this?
(I'm not a coder, I just manage guys I pay to build my projects)
Think about how the enemy functions
there is no infighting because the orders come down from on high and everyone does the job - no questions asked - they are obligated by bloody oath to obey. On the other hand, we here in the non-NWO camp are individuals all with differing opinions. They have an organizational advantage we will never have.
Now , the advantage that we DO have is that we work on truth and we can work out in the open.
There's nothing wrong with
There's nothing wrong with our factionalism. We aren't collectivist morons like the mindless lemming liberal Democrats or the goose-stepping neo-con Republicans.
The movement can still naturally coalition, and as the threatening nature of the NWO camp increases, we naturally will.
I will march with the conservative Christians in the Baldwin camp.
Others will choose to try to infiltrate the GOP.
Still others will fall into the Barr camp.
We don't have to choose one path or candidate, and I look with suspicion on anyone who tries to force that on others here.
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The Infighting...
On one hand I see no problem with us having various opinions and battling each other, but the truth is that our energy would be MUCH better spent if we were to focus on organizing and spreading the general message that we can all agree on over every corner of the whole internet.
Anyone could still argue any opinion that they want, and as always it would be up to each individual Revolutionary to support whichever position that they chose.
It would just be a good way for us to focus our massive potential energy as a movement in a way that would really help grow the whole Revolution.
Anything besides bickering amongst ourselves is a good idea.
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How about absentance?
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Not argue with ANYONE?
What fun would that be?
Thanks
I also just decided that the program should have a feature that can allow users to block receiving URL's from any other users in case they don't wanna associate with that particular users point of view exactly.
That way we can all work together for the general message of restoring the constitution etc and still be able to distance ourselves from each other when we really disagree eg. 911 truth battles...