I surely hope this Mexica movement is against the war in Iraq. If the members of this Mexica Movement have any principles they should be the first ones in line for any Anti Iraq-war protesting, but I have not seen that, have any of you?
If they truly believe that the Europeans illegally invaded North America by force, it really is no different than what the United States of America has done in Iraq, right? I would not believe that any members of this movement are in the United States Military, if so, I would consider them hypocrites. I went over this site, and it seems to be the most racist site I have seen. Seems like they want American born individuals of European decent to feel guilty for what happened to the original people of this Continent. I can understand why these individuals would be resentful, but at the same time I know that throughout the history of the human race this has gone on. I am not saying it is right, but I do not buy into their poor me, I am poor and dishonored because the Europeans stole my land mentality. Go ask Oprah how poor she is, or any other rich black individuals of this nation, and there many. These individuals have learned to rise above suppression, to be strong, and very capable of prospering in this country after being enslaved, and disrespected for generations.
My stance on illegal immigration is pretty strong. It is against our American law, and is a criminal act. The United States of America is a recognized, and lawful country with borders. I strongly believe our borders should be protected from individuals that are illegal to this now claimed land of America, and these United States. I am not prejudice, or a racist, I am an American citizen, and as such, will do whatever is necessary to defend my country, and it's citizens from foreign and domestic enemies. Sorry for the rant guys, and I hope I have not offended anyone too much.
Its so sad, very sad. I read it all and I just could not help but feel sorry for who ever wrote up and made that website. That person or persons that made this "Mexica" website up is so very mixed up. It rejects Latinos and Spaniards and Mexicans.....and yet has Indian blooded Argintine Cuban Communist Revolutionary Che as evil and handle bar mustached Spaniard Zaptista as a Hero. .......mmmmmm Ok....
Perhaps instead of feeling sad for them we should just all give them a big smile and a friendly laugh. They have it all so backwards. Its hard to know where to begin. The funniest thing is they call others "racists" for their blantantly racist cause..... a cause that calls for all European decent, including spanish mixes (most mexicans) to all return to Europe and return the contry to its 1492 "rightful owners", the indidinous indians. Racism? No not for them. Crazy? Absolutely. I can see from reading their words (In English mind you) that they have so much mixed up. Its like dealing with the mixed up 9/11 truthers and other conspiracy nuts....they have their theory and all facts will be fitted into THAT theory.
Here is a Choice Cut n Paste from their website for you:
"""BACK TO PRE-1492 BORDERS
If it's good enough for the Jews to regain their land after 2,000 years and return (mixed in blood for the most part), then it's good enough for us who only lost our continent 500 years ago. You can't have separate rules of logic: one for whites (and white interests) and an entirely different set for non-whites. That sort of illogical and immoral thinking is called racism. Racism has been the tool most expertly used by Europeans and their descendants all over the world. Racism justified the theft of our continent and the genocide of our people, and the enslavement of our people to European interests (and the enslavement of Africans). """"
But this is a dangerous war that the Govt has started.... "The Illegal Immigration War" that is. Today it is as silly and stupid as the "Hatfields & McCoys". The claims of "done me wrong" all lie in the past and go to no living sole, the claims of racsism and collectism are at work on both sides, its all an hilariously sad knee slapper. So we have racists "Mexica" indians calling the minutement racists....that is, two sets of racists pointing at each other, calling eachother RACISTS! Well I have news for you both, you are both right. Its so silly seeing one side calling this dirt here, "mine", and that dirt, there, "theirs". And what makes it mine and what makes it yours? Certainly noone of these two camps is reading John Locke.
Well it is all so lame, sad, and hillariously funny --- and very dangerous. Dangerous because historically, the reasons for war and violence always comes down to 3 things. Besides religion and women, "Historical Land Ownership" is the other stupid thing people fight over. And when it comes to land, claims to it often race back to real and imagined ancestors and eventually to claims that Gawd himself gave "my people" the deed. The Palistinians are still waiting for a Jewish Rabbi to show them their deed, meanwhile the Israelis have the upper hand and occupy and steal Palistinian land (with American tax money to boot).
But the Mexican War and the Gadsden Purchase has to be one of the most honest land grabs in World History. Certainly Senator Lincoln had it right, the US President had clearly lied and provoked the Mexican War in Texas claiming that Mexican troops had entered US soil and "violated our sovereignty". No, Bush was not the first to use "pre-emptive war" to gain resources the elites wanted. Mexico land claims which were from the vast claims of Spain's land claims, was in no position or might to fight about it. But in the end, the Mexicans did agree to a land purchase and get paid $15,000,000 -- in silver I think--- and that is more "honest" than most victorious victors do. At least we did not Rape & Pilage Mexico City, kill their young men and take their young women and try to occupy their country for 100 years....as most Nations try to do.
""By the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, signed February 2, 1848, at the close of the Mexican War, the Republic of Mexico was compelled to abandon its claim to Texas and to cede to the United States the territory now comprising most of New Mexico, Arizona, California, Colorado, Utah and Nevada. The territory ceded to the United States by Mexico constituted about 200,000 square miles or two-fifths of all her territory. In return for this vast territory, the United States gave $15,000,000 and assumed responsibility for paying $3,000,000 in claims of American citizens against the Mexican Government. A large body of public opinion in the United States had opposed the war against Mexico and felt that the Southern republic had been treated badly. The territory desired by Gadsden and his group was then a sort of no man's land, experiencing frequent Indian raids. The United States wanted to make certain "boundary adjustments"; Mexico needed money and wanted a settlement of her Indian claims against the United States; and Gadsden and his friends wanted a route for their railroad. In 1852 Gadsden agreed to pay Santa Anna $10,000,000 for a strip of territory south of the Gila River and lying in what is now southwestern New Mexico and southern Arizona. Many Americans were not especially proud of the Guadalupe-Hidalgo Treaty and considered the price of the Gadsden Purchase as "conscience money." The Gadsden Purchase has an area of 45,535 square miles and is almost as large as Pennsylvania.""
So Gadsden a railway land speculator needing a southern route to California and to States in the South, needed the land South of the Gila River, in my own State of Arizona. To do that, he later got the US government troops to round up Geronimo, not an easy task since he and his tribe knew all the hidden watering springs in the desert and in the mountains. Gadsden would make any Israeli government official proud at the way he treated indians as lessor mortals with no natural property rights,---- only the rights the Washington gave them, thats the same govt in Washington that has always done the bidding for big business, the elites and the Well -Connected... of which James Gadsden was two out of the three.
Well this history is nice, but not relevant to those of living today. We all start off with what we have, making claims to property that we earn or is given to us. This is the Lockian principle I would say or call it. It applies to black Americans today. It applies to all peoples who must start from what they have, just like all of us. Justice, is a claim from Individual Rights, being the right to ones Life, Liberty & Property. Clear chains of property title is crucial for "justice to be served". Yet I, a white American of German, Irish, Dutch, & English decent, have no claims against Italians for enslaving "my people" the Gauls 2000 years ago and or claims against the citizens of Tripoli for launch ships to the Irish coast to steal young Irish girls and take them into their slave harems. Clear land claims are important and should be recognized and respected. This is why property owed to the Jews, even if was a grandson, should be returned. This is also why, clear title and obvious ownership of land that the Palistinians have should be respected as just..... (if it were not for that Jewish biblical deed claim that Gawd gave "his chosen people" we could all go home. How long are we to wait to see Gawd's signature on a deed I don't know. But as long as Israelis get 30 billion in US subsidies and arms, they don't need too).
This issue of "illegal" migration versus "legal" migration is a PURELY subjective one, one that is, lets not forget, made in Washington .....and lets not forget, Washington is played for all its worth by big business, the elites, and the well connected. Migration, in or out of the USA should be under the libertarian "Blue Card" system, but that is another Thread.
So while I laugh, as should you, at this "Mexica" movement and ideas, I also refuse to go do Washington's bidding.
Treg: why would you post about something you obviously know nothing about. in your first few words you say che guevara is "indian blooded." bs. he is basque and irish. both of which are european. look it up. we indigenous people of anahuac do not need to look to europeans like guevara as heroes. we have plenty of our own. from chavez to evo morales to zapata to pontiac and tecumseh.
I went to this site a briefly looked it over. So sad. Cant get more racist than that. They are too stupid to realize we are ALL SLAVES. It wouldn't suprise me if the real owners of this country and the world for this matter, have a hand in this. For the record, I dont owe anyone shit. I have worked my whole life UNDER A SYSTEM OF SLAVERY. ANYONE who is brave enough to try to take anything of mine, will be greeted and well fed, with LEAD. One bullet at a time. Dont test my theory that all men bleed red.
his website but that, that site outlines the movement that has been covertly going on for years and he is now pushing it on DP. He wont admit it, but the proof is in the pudding. And it's not just illegals but also some Americans of Mexican ancestry.
"The day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the wicked will be stubble"
Really sad...
I surely hope this Mexica movement is against the war in Iraq. If the members of this Mexica Movement have any principles they should be the first ones in line for any Anti Iraq-war protesting, but I have not seen that, have any of you?
If they truly believe that the Europeans illegally invaded North America by force, it really is no different than what the United States of America has done in Iraq, right? I would not believe that any members of this movement are in the United States Military, if so, I would consider them hypocrites. I went over this site, and it seems to be the most racist site I have seen. Seems like they want American born individuals of European decent to feel guilty for what happened to the original people of this Continent. I can understand why these individuals would be resentful, but at the same time I know that throughout the history of the human race this has gone on. I am not saying it is right, but I do not buy into their poor me, I am poor and dishonored because the Europeans stole my land mentality. Go ask Oprah how poor she is, or any other rich black individuals of this nation, and there many. These individuals have learned to rise above suppression, to be strong, and very capable of prospering in this country after being enslaved, and disrespected for generations.
My stance on illegal immigration is pretty strong. It is against our American law, and is a criminal act. The United States of America is a recognized, and lawful country with borders. I strongly believe our borders should be protected from individuals that are illegal to this now claimed land of America, and these United States. I am not prejudice, or a racist, I am an American citizen, and as such, will do whatever is necessary to defend my country, and it's citizens from foreign and domestic enemies. Sorry for the rant guys, and I hope I have not offended anyone too much.
Los mohados abla mentiroso puro!!!
HYDROMAN
Hydroman from deep en estata de Coahuila .
Quienes son "Los Mojados"?
Quienes son "Los Mojados"?
That site called mexica and their movement is just SAD
Its so sad, very sad. I read it all and I just could not help but feel sorry for who ever wrote up and made that website. That person or persons that made this "Mexica" website up is so very mixed up. It rejects Latinos and Spaniards and Mexicans.....and yet has Indian blooded Argintine Cuban Communist Revolutionary Che as evil and handle bar mustached Spaniard Zaptista as a Hero. .......mmmmmm Ok....
Perhaps instead of feeling sad for them we should just all give them a big smile and a friendly laugh. They have it all so backwards. Its hard to know where to begin. The funniest thing is they call others "racists" for their blantantly racist cause..... a cause that calls for all European decent, including spanish mixes (most mexicans) to all return to Europe and return the contry to its 1492 "rightful owners", the indidinous indians. Racism? No not for them. Crazy? Absolutely. I can see from reading their words (In English mind you) that they have so much mixed up. Its like dealing with the mixed up 9/11 truthers and other conspiracy nuts....they have their theory and all facts will be fitted into THAT theory.
Here is a Choice Cut n Paste from their website for you:
"""BACK TO PRE-1492 BORDERS
If it's good enough for the Jews to regain their land after 2,000 years and return (mixed in blood for the most part), then it's good enough for us who only lost our continent 500 years ago. You can't have separate rules of logic: one for whites (and white interests) and an entirely different set for non-whites. That sort of illogical and immoral thinking is called racism. Racism has been the tool most expertly used by Europeans and their descendants all over the world. Racism justified the theft of our continent and the genocide of our people, and the enslavement of our people to European interests (and the enslavement of Africans). """"
But this is a dangerous war that the Govt has started.... "The Illegal Immigration War" that is. Today it is as silly and stupid as the "Hatfields & McCoys". The claims of "done me wrong" all lie in the past and go to no living sole, the claims of racsism and collectism are at work on both sides, its all an hilariously sad knee slapper. So we have racists "Mexica" indians calling the minutement racists....that is, two sets of racists pointing at each other, calling eachother RACISTS! Well I have news for you both, you are both right. Its so silly seeing one side calling this dirt here, "mine", and that dirt, there, "theirs". And what makes it mine and what makes it yours? Certainly noone of these two camps is reading John Locke.
Well it is all so lame, sad, and hillariously funny --- and very dangerous. Dangerous because historically, the reasons for war and violence always comes down to 3 things. Besides religion and women, "Historical Land Ownership" is the other stupid thing people fight over. And when it comes to land, claims to it often race back to real and imagined ancestors and eventually to claims that Gawd himself gave "my people" the deed. The Palistinians are still waiting for a Jewish Rabbi to show them their deed, meanwhile the Israelis have the upper hand and occupy and steal Palistinian land (with American tax money to boot).
But the Mexican War and the Gadsden Purchase has to be one of the most honest land grabs in World History. Certainly Senator Lincoln had it right, the US President had clearly lied and provoked the Mexican War in Texas claiming that Mexican troops had entered US soil and "violated our sovereignty". No, Bush was not the first to use "pre-emptive war" to gain resources the elites wanted. Mexico land claims which were from the vast claims of Spain's land claims, was in no position or might to fight about it. But in the end, the Mexicans did agree to a land purchase and get paid $15,000,000 -- in silver I think--- and that is more "honest" than most victorious victors do. At least we did not Rape & Pilage Mexico City, kill their young men and take their young women and try to occupy their country for 100 years....as most Nations try to do.
""By the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, signed February 2, 1848, at the close of the Mexican War, the Republic of Mexico was compelled to abandon its claim to Texas and to cede to the United States the territory now comprising most of New Mexico, Arizona, California, Colorado, Utah and Nevada. The territory ceded to the United States by Mexico constituted about 200,000 square miles or two-fifths of all her territory. In return for this vast territory, the United States gave $15,000,000 and assumed responsibility for paying $3,000,000 in claims of American citizens against the Mexican Government. A large body of public opinion in the United States had opposed the war against Mexico and felt that the Southern republic had been treated badly. The territory desired by Gadsden and his group was then a sort of no man's land, experiencing frequent Indian raids. The United States wanted to make certain "boundary adjustments"; Mexico needed money and wanted a settlement of her Indian claims against the United States; and Gadsden and his friends wanted a route for their railroad. In 1852 Gadsden agreed to pay Santa Anna $10,000,000 for a strip of territory south of the Gila River and lying in what is now southwestern New Mexico and southern Arizona. Many Americans were not especially proud of the Guadalupe-Hidalgo Treaty and considered the price of the Gadsden Purchase as "conscience money." The Gadsden Purchase has an area of 45,535 square miles and is almost as large as Pennsylvania.""
See map pictures here www.gadsdenpurchase.com
So Gadsden a railway land speculator needing a southern route to California and to States in the South, needed the land South of the Gila River, in my own State of Arizona. To do that, he later got the US government troops to round up Geronimo, not an easy task since he and his tribe knew all the hidden watering springs in the desert and in the mountains. Gadsden would make any Israeli government official proud at the way he treated indians as lessor mortals with no natural property rights,---- only the rights the Washington gave them, thats the same govt in Washington that has always done the bidding for big business, the elites and the Well -Connected... of which James Gadsden was two out of the three.
Well this history is nice, but not relevant to those of living today. We all start off with what we have, making claims to property that we earn or is given to us. This is the Lockian principle I would say or call it. It applies to black Americans today. It applies to all peoples who must start from what they have, just like all of us. Justice, is a claim from Individual Rights, being the right to ones Life, Liberty & Property. Clear chains of property title is crucial for "justice to be served". Yet I, a white American of German, Irish, Dutch, & English decent, have no claims against Italians for enslaving "my people" the Gauls 2000 years ago and or claims against the citizens of Tripoli for launch ships to the Irish coast to steal young Irish girls and take them into their slave harems. Clear land claims are important and should be recognized and respected. This is why property owed to the Jews, even if was a grandson, should be returned. This is also why, clear title and obvious ownership of land that the Palistinians have should be respected as just..... (if it were not for that Jewish biblical deed claim that Gawd gave "his chosen people" we could all go home. How long are we to wait to see Gawd's signature on a deed I don't know. But as long as Israelis get 30 billion in US subsidies and arms, they don't need too).
This issue of "illegal" migration versus "legal" migration is a PURELY subjective one, one that is, lets not forget, made in Washington .....and lets not forget, Washington is played for all its worth by big business, the elites, and the well connected. Migration, in or out of the USA should be under the libertarian "Blue Card" system, but that is another Thread.
So while I laugh, as should you, at this "Mexica" movement and ideas, I also refuse to go do Washington's bidding.
In Peace & Liberty,
Treg
che is 100% european
Treg: why would you post about something you obviously know nothing about. in your first few words you say che guevara is "indian blooded." bs. he is basque and irish. both of which are european. look it up. we indigenous people of anahuac do not need to look to europeans like guevara as heroes. we have plenty of our own. from chavez to evo morales to zapata to pontiac and tecumseh.
Dont forget Treg.
I went to this site a briefly looked it over. So sad. Cant get more racist than that. They are too stupid to realize we are ALL SLAVES. It wouldn't suprise me if the real owners of this country and the world for this matter, have a hand in this. For the record, I dont owe anyone shit. I have worked my whole life UNDER A SYSTEM OF SLAVERY. ANYONE who is brave enough to try to take anything of mine, will be greeted and well fed, with LEAD. One bullet at a time. Dont test my theory that all men bleed red.
How do you know that this site
belongs to atrickpay and/or that it's his movement?
I didn't mean it was
his website but that, that site outlines the movement that has been covertly going on for years and he is now pushing it on DP. He wont admit it, but the proof is in the pudding. And it's not just illegals but also some Americans of Mexican ancestry.
"The day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the wicked will be stubble"