Question about future interest rates and the dollar
So far the Fed has (unwisely) resisted raising interest rates, but by this fall they will start raising them as inflation accelerates and the dollar continues to fall. When we then enter a period of rising interest rates, isn't that going to push gold and silver lower? Why would gold and silver remain strong when rising interest rates start pushing the dollar higher?
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This question is exactly what is keeping the price of gold and silver at its current levels as opposed to higher. Fed action is already priced in. It (the price of gold) will continue to be volitile until the end of the year but the bulls will win this fight until next year. Look for $1200 dollar/ounce of gold by January 2009, with potential of plus or minus $200, so if you are looking for a short term investment this is a good choice.
If the world goes crazy and we are at war, all bets are off and gold will beat these estimates, by how much, only GOD knows. We will print money to finance these efforts.
If Ron Paul is elected president, then transparency in the gold markets will increase and again, all bets are off, the price of gold could go as high as $2000/ounce or higher.
Most likely, Obama will be elected, rates will go up slightly, and we will not be at war. Even if this happens, and the world markets stablize, we will have competitors like we never have before. This means a steady, but slow bull market in gold relative to dollars.
Unless you are investing in foreign markets, this is the lowest risk, bull potential investment that one can have.
Bring on the critical thinking. I am willing to admit when I am wrong.
WAHOR!!
The Fed is stuck.
Don't be surprised if rates stagnate for a while.
Dropping rates = destruction of the economy.
Raising rates = destruction of the economy.
This isn't the 30s or the late 70s/early 80s -- there is no longer room to maneuver. All hands have been played.
Add into this mix a silver shortage, gold miners suffocating under the weight of their hedge books, and international precious metal hording (Chinese, Russians, Indians, Turks, etc.).
We all have to decide for ourselves the road to take.
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Lisa C.
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Isn't that what caused...
the Great Depression?
The Fed kept printing more and more money, easy credit, for an extended period of time... then they cut it off. When they cut it off is whent the sh*t hit the fan.
I imagine the price of gold would continue to rise in that situation.
Bernanke's thoughts on Milton Friedman's
analysis of the Great Depression:
"Conclusion
The brilliance of Friedman and Schwartz's work on the Great Depression is not simply the texture of the discussion or the coherence of the point of view. Their work was among the first to use history to address seriously the issues of cause and effect in a complex economic system, the problem of identification. Perhaps no single one of their "natural experiments" alone is convincing; but together, and enhanced by the subsequent research of dozens of scholars, they make a powerful case indeed.
For practical central bankers, among which I now count myself, Friedman and Schwartz's analysis leaves many lessons. What I take from their work is the idea that monetary forces, particularly if unleashed in a destabilizing direction, can be extremely powerful. The best thing that central bankers can do for the world is to avoid such crises by providing the economy with, in Milton Friedman's words, a "stable monetary background"--for example as reflected in low and stable inflation.
Let me end my talk by abusing slightly my status as an official representative of the Federal Reserve. I would like to say to Milton and Anna: Regarding the Great Depression. You're right, we did it. We're very sorry. But thanks to you, we won't do it again"
Bernanke agreed w/ Friedman that a deflation was the major error behind the Great Depression. This doesn't mean that his opinion is all that relevant in the big scheme as I think he is more of a puppet than anything. But for those worried whether it will be inflation or deflation, I found this interesting to hear Bernanke give his opinion of the Fed's role during the GD.
http://www.federalreserve...
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"I killed the banks"
The dollar will continue to sink
Because the Fed will continue to inject cash into the system and the US government will run huge deficits. The current 2008 debt will probably end up in the $600 to $800 billion range. And the fed has given nearly $500 billion to banks in exchange for worthless mortgage paper. They plan to start giving banks credit on all types of consumer loans.
Mike
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Currently the Fed is in a
Currently the Fed is in a position where they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Raise rates and they risk causing significant damage to our economy. Lower rates and they risk significant damage to the value of our dollar.
My guess is that deflation of the money supply will not be what we see the Fed do. The Fed has a very long track record of creating money to solve problems, I believe they will do the same again this time.
I think you need to study what the Fed did to the interest
rates during the Great Depression.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin
The Fed can't move either way
If you think you've heard about rising unemployment and a low stock market now, just keep watching over the next few weeks and months. The Fed won't be able to raise rates in September either, and lowering further is problematic as well, of course. That's why there have been economic warnings on this site since last year, and warnings from Ron Paul for many years.
Factor in
Consider the fact that the current rate of interest and the current value of Gold (and commodities) are no where aligned.
Even IF they were to reign in the money supply, there is still too much money out there and inflation is in fact way beyond measure regardless what the current or future rate is going to be.
Or put another way, Gold is so undervalued, that it's deflated price is still very high.
There is $1500 TRILLION in derivatives which is going to want to find a home during inflation or deflation. Deflation will mean a lot of the derivatives become worthless even if the dollar were to strengthen.
(1930's dollar strengthened, values came down in price - opposite of inflation)
They've been at this for 40 years. All other episodes were only about 10 or less.
This is going to be the largest financial wipeout mankind has ever seen.
The Fed can very easily
send the price of gold lower. All it has to do is reign in the money supply. It could even bring in deflation if it wanted. Then you'd be better off holding dollars.
Is there any gold in Ft. Knox?
Is there any gold in fort knox and if there is does anyone know how much and who it belongs to?
WikiAnswers
Short answer: The treasury estimates 147.6 million ounces of gold are held at Fort Knox. The US government owns it. Both of those answers are controversial.
Long answer:
In 1933, the US government, on order of President Roosevelt, undertook to confiscate most of the gold owned by US citizens and exchange it for paper dollars within two weeks. Safety deposit boxes and vaults were sealed. Subsequently, US citizens were not allowed to own most forms of gold. The paper dollars were soon worth far less than the gold they were traded for. If that action is considered legal, the US government now owns the gold in Fort Knox. The vault was used to hold the treasure beginning in 1937. Before World War II, there were 649.6 million ounces of gold in Fort Knox. The treasury now estimates that only 147.6 million ounces remain. However, the gold has not been inventoried since the 1950's. Some believe there is far less gold in Fort Knox. In 1971, the US abandoned the last remnants of the gold standard. US dollars are now fiat currency, not backed by gold or any other commodity.
There was supposed to be an audit around 2004
but they didn't do it. Why not?
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Did KPMG do a legitimite audit of the gold in Ft. Knox n 2007?
http://www.financialsense...
Is a private consulting firm authorized to audit Ft. Knox?
I trust KPMG like I trust Arthur Anderson.
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Lisa C.
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Disinformation
The fed has no power right now, if they lower rates inflation soars and the repercussions will be huge in the future, if they raise rates more businesses will collapse. As long as the price of oil continue's to rise against the weak dollar, gold will rise. They will try time and time again to push it down but they are increasingly unable to do it. It hit $1000, pulled back for a while and now is moving toward $1000 again. Faith has already been lost in the dollar and it seems many are already shifting investments away from it. There's no way a deflationary force could counteract this. The scary part is that the election is going on right now and we have a pro-war policy all around us, it would be in their best interests to keep the people happy....the gas prices show that the forces are too strong for them to control. I've only recently become more educated in all of this, but some of it really seems to be somewhat obvious right now. After looking at several of your posts, it looks like you are here to provide disinformation.
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."
I own both
a little gold and silver but I am getting a bit nervous. Those in control could pull a fast one. They know we are buying and would love to mess with us.
I don't think I'm cut out for investing to much manipulations to consider. Peace
We have already been warned, in my opinion.
Greenspan sees double-digit rates
http://www.reuters.com/ar...
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin