DEBUNK THIS *Update* 09/04/08

there was no firefighting because there was nothing to fight it with...no water

the distortions in WTC7 are fairly obvious well before it collapsed. That is not demolition, is it?

All 3 of the WTC's that collapsed were "built on the cheap" and, in retrospect, pretty shitty designs safetywise. When I look at how they are constructed it doesn't surprise me at all that they collapsed.

I am so sick and tired of new 9/11 truthers posting this stuff here...

YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.......MOST OF US UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED, or UNDERSTAND THE BULLSHIT BEHIND 9/11.

The reason why us long time Ron Paul supporters do not like this shit on this site is because of the thousands of guests reading these posts for the first time....

This just scares the hell out of people like my dad.......So do us all a big favor.......we understand your post...and we all, already got it.

YES, their was a bunch of BS with 9/11.....and we all get it....

Just do all of us a favor...and keep it off this site.....

We are trying to get people to understand the freedom and liberty that we desire......The truth will come out in time.......you know it...and I know it....
just keep it off the DP.

So I will ask you one time....can you delete this thread in respect for the good Doctor!

So when you say, not appropriate here, what in Gods name are you talking about?

How about we don't talk about the FED, or the International foreign policy,

what else would you like to cut out?

The patriot act is based on 911. It's VERY relevant.

This has nothing to do with Ron Paul or this movement. All these issues can do is distract us from the real mission and make us look like kooks.

I'm not attacking your beliefs, sir. But if you want to spread this information you shouldn't be doing it here.

understand WT7 is the ..."Smoking Gun"....and it can not be rationally explained by any of our government. But I do think we should keep the 9/11 stuff off this site.

I understand the twin towers came down...not from jet fuel!
No plane hit the pentagon....
Flight 93 did not crash nose first in Pennsylvania.....
And I know WT7 did not just magically fall.

Also...I know that war games were being played the same day 9/11 happened representing the exact scenarios that we witnessed....

All of this stuff will never come to the surface until we are all dead and gone.

Just as the "Gulf of Tonkin" or the "Reichstag Fires"

False Flags are a part of this government. So I understand your motives....and I wish we could convince all of the sheeple.....but your efforts need to be directed towards getting Ron Paul thinking type people into power.

Don't get me wrong.......after 5 years of research I can answer it all, in regards to 9/11. I have the videos, and the links to back it all up...but the average person will not hear these cries.............Let 9/11 go...and do not bring Ron Paul into it.

All this does, is make Ron Paul look less credible, and the majority of the United States does not understand what we know, or will just deny the facts when presented....

I have been through this frustration........just let it go and move forward!

Lots of activity since I last checked on this thread. I see the shills have been hard at work, alas, ultimately to no avail m'fraid.....

is the BBC broadcaster info-babe reporting the collpase of WTC 7 ....while it is in the background standing tall and looking good...before it's collapse! And of course Aaron Brown made the same mistake....guess that was ESP...talk about getting the early scoop. Reporting the collapse of a building before it collpased is some seriously good reporting. Love that live cam!

http://curtmaynardsblog.b...

3 minutes - excellent

Simple: If you were caught up in the moment of a terrorist attack, being a bystander, watching two of the worlds tallest building get hit by two massive airplanes, and you heard the rumbling, you saw the smoke, the fire, the people running....dont you think you would say something like "blow up"?

When I shake up a can of coke, and then open it, people say "Be careful, it might blow up."

Its just a phrase. And the pull it has already been debunked. Get a life.

Ruling by prayer
If Mr. Silverstein knew the building was coming down, he can be the starting pointing for determining how this was done. Why has he not been questioned? Who told him the building was coming down? Did he give the order "to pull it?" Maybe he knows who set the explosives?

Because we have Mr. Silverstein's knowledge of the impending demolition documented here, it should be easy to get to the bottom of this mystery. Am I missing something ?

Unlike a lot of people, I wasn't working the day of 9/11. I got to watch the entire thing on tv. I spent all day channel surfing, following the story very closely.

They talked about the fact that Building 7 was in unstable condition off and on all afternoon. They talked about the fires, and the moaning and creaking they heard from the building.

I've also seen the ENTIRE interview with Silverstein. The whole thing. It was about a year after 9/11 when I saw it, but I remember very clearly because it debunked the "pull it" idea that Truthers harp on all the time. He was talking about pulling the firefighters from the building. You'll notice the Truthers only show you a few seconds of the interview when they make their case. Also, why would he be talking to the Fire Chief about demolition of a building? Makes no sense.

If you'll watch these 2 videos, they will provide a good explanation for what happened to Building 7 that day...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Now, once again, I do not wish to side with the government. I am a Truther and I do want another independent investigation. I am pretty sure there was government complicity in the attacks.

But...

To run around spreading false theories is not helping our cause.

This is the stuff we need to be talking about...

http://www.wanttoknow.inf...

the thread dies?

Where are the debaters?

This thread has been going on for days... why stop now? Can't refute my debunking?

"The fire dept. could not have predicted that fire would collapse the building as it had never happened before in the entire history of the world."

As you can see in the news footage from early in the afternoon on 9/11, many firefighters did in fact predict that Building 7 was going to collapse...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Debunk that.

Like I've said before... I'm not on the government's side. But I also want to know the REAL truth, so I look at the argument from both sides with an objective mind. So many Truthers just don't want to hear from the other side.

Here's the best explanation I've heard, other than controlled demolition, for the collapse of Building 7...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

If you'll do a search at youtube for "9/11 debunked:" you'll find all sorts of good material that does a good job of debunking almost every one of the Truthers claims.

BTW... I'm not siding with the government on this one. I do believe there was some sort of foreknowledge within our government. But I also believe we need to concentrate on the facts, instead of spreading disinformation. It does not help the Truth movement.

The Silverstein quote has already been debunked. Look at my answer to a previous thread for my view on the subject...

I agree that the CT's use straw man arguments, shotgun methods, etc.

I agree that many of their claims can be debunked or easily refuted.

I agree that Loose Change, made by a bunch of teenagers... is crap.

I also agree that 2 pieces of real evidence out of 100 doesn't make a good case. The other 98 pieces of evidence make the presenter of the evidence look like a fool... which is a big problem that CT's have... they don't investigate both sides thoroughly enough to figure out what is fact and what is embellishment.

However...

Just because the 98 pieces of evidence don't hold up doesn't mean we should ignore the other 2 that do.

Governments have always lied to and oppressed their people. Most wars are fought for money... not because of "bad guys". Most governments throughout history have used propaganda to rally their people to support wars. Most wars throughout history have been financed by the same group of financially elite bankers.

You mention that a lot of times you ask for "proof" and some CT will give you a link to an Alex Jones site. And I agree, Alex exaggerates for effect and things aren't probably as bad as he says they are... but...

There is plenty of evidence from main stream sources that back up his claims. In fact, most of the stuff he talks about on his show is the result of an article published in a main stream news publication... he's just adding his own spin to it.

Take 9/11 for example. I can refute or at least put forth a plausible argument refuting most of the Truther's claims... for example, Larry Silverstein was not talking about demolishing the building when he said "pull it". He was talking about pulling the firefighter teams from the building. I've seen the entire interview, with that line in context. Most CT's haven't. They just keep spreading that little bit of mis-info.

But...

Why did Larry Silverstein buy these buildings? They were not in good shape and needed a major overhaul... to the point that they had been thinking about demolishing them for a while but the asbestos inside prevented them from doing so. (Asbestos is one of the many reasons the buildings were a bad investment.) The gov failed to mention this asbestos when the crews were cleaning up the site, you'll notice.

Also, if you want proof of government involvement... or at the very least complete government incompetence on 9/11, you don't have to go to conspiracy websites... you can get it through main stream media sources only.

This website uses ONLY main stream news articles to make it's point for government complicity on 9/11. No conspiracy theory websites... only ABC, NBC, Fox, Wall Street Journal, CNN and the like. It has a short 10-page timeline of events, a longer 25-page timeline, and a complete in-depth 60-page timeline. In my opinion (I'm not claiming to have "proof", you'll notice) this site makes a strong case that the government did have plenty of evidence the attacks were coming, and they did nothing to protect us that day or in the days leading up to the tragedy.

http://www.wanttoknow.inf...

So, whether they planned it or just let it happen... to me that doesn't matter... the fact is that we give them billions of dollars of our tax dollars every year for national defense, and they failed us. No one was fired. No one went to jail. Instead, many people got promotions and increased budgets for their departments.

So, if you believe the "official story", which I don't know if I do or not... then you also have to believe that $60 billion spent on defense is not enough to stop 16 cave-dwellers from Afghanistan from beating every one of our defenses that day and during the months leading up to 9/11.

Either way, shouldn't some heads have rolled?

But they didn't.

Even the "investigations" were whitewashed. The NIST report even debunks the pancake collapse theory put out by the 9/11 Commission Report and the Popular Science article. And none of them have an explanation for Building 7.

So, while I agree with you on many points, I'm still not going to sit back and bash the Truthers for their concern and investigation. I just think they need to look at both sides of every one of their arguments before spouting them out to the general public.

hahahahaha. I've heard they come out late at night lol

An out of this world explaination. Read down into the body of the text before you judge too quickly....

http://lightworkers.org/c...