Basic Emergency Firearm Preparedness
There have been a few topics recommending to buy guns over the last couple of weeks, so I thought I'd post some basic knowledge about the types and uses for the lesser-informed on the gun subject.
I'll touch upon each type in the order that I consider important, with the emphasis on effectiveness and versatility.
#1
Shotguns:
These are some of the most affordable and effective firearms available today for the widest range of purposes. Often costing as little as $250 brand new, or even less in good used conditon.
The reason I place the shotgun in the #1 position, is that it can be used for almost anything that a gun needs to do, all with one gun and a variety of ammunition. Nothing else matches this versatility.
Get a 12 gauge shotgun because the ammo is the most widely found and it is the cheapest ammo of all the gauges, due to higher selling volumes. Cheaper than smaller guage ammo. And more powerful.
It can be used for anything up to bear-sized animals with slugs, deer-sized animals with buckshot, smaller varmints and game with some of the medium shot sizes like #6 shot, and birds of various sizes with #7-1/2 shot(or other sizes of small shot).
The main limiting factor with a shotgun is effective range. It is only good with slugs to about 100yds, and much shorter ranges with various shot loads. Generally around 40yds max for shot. However, this is enough range for the average person's property size, and makes up for lack of range with being able to take birds in flight for survival purposes, which no other gun can really do unless you are Annie Oakley.
It is an excellent gun for defense and home protection and property protection, hunting land animals or birds, and is relatively cheap. For self defense, slugs or larger Buckshot like 000 or 00 will work great.
#2
22LR Rifles
The "king" of rifles is the .22LR, which is sort of funny when you consider it is a small rimfire cartridge that many think is puny. While it is the about the smallest and cheapest rifle out there, it can do amazing work with small game out to 50yds, and is cheap cheap cheap to feed ammo. You can get thousands of rounds of ammo for less than $100.
It is certainly not the best self defense cartridge, but it can kill or deter human attackers, but is not good at stopping a determined attacker immediately. However, 10 rapid rounds of .22LR into an attacker will probably stop him or make him want to go somewhere else immediately, like to a hospital. One well-placed round can stop him, if you have enough skill to do it.
Good .22LR rifles can be purchased for around $200 and up, and they can be stocked with lots of ammo for cheap. Any caliber that you haven't run out of is better than a bigger caliber ammo that you are out of. It sucks to be out of ammo. Remember that.
A Ruger 10/22 rifle is a semi-automatic 22LR rifle that is probably "the standard" in these types of rifles, and parts are easy to find.
#3
Center-fire Rifles
A center-fire cartridge rifle is a more powerful type of rifle for more hitting power and longer ranges. Deer hunting rifles fit this category, as to most other rifles that aren't .22LR. They are all powerful enough to quickly stop any human attacker, and gather larger game at moderate to longer distances. Skill is required for longer distances, and will require extra special practice for that.
Bolt action rifles work fine, and are reliable, with less moving parts. However they are relatively slower to get repeat shots off, compared to semi-automatic types. But they should not be ignored because they are quite effective and can be shot fairly rapidly with some practice. A Remington 700 is a good choice for this type, or a used Mauser that is in good condition. Lots of choices actually, so you should study up to see what you might like.
Lever action rifles like a Winchester 94 are what the cowboys used, and work fine, and are faster than a bolt action, but not as fast as a semi-auto. .30-30 is the most popular and useful cartridge for the lever action guns. Very good guns.
Semi-auto rifles are faster for follow-up shots and some are military type rifles which are hi-capacity magazine-fed rifles. These can hold up to 30 rounds(or more) in their magazines so you don't have to reload as often. Popular ones are SKS, AK47, AK74, AR15, FN-FAL, HK91, HK93, etc, etc. In my opinion, best utility for the money is an SKS with the standard 10-round fixed magazine. Replacement hi-capacity magazines often cause reliability problems in this gun, so the 10 round is just fine. Best bang for low bucks. Next would be an AK47(shoots the same bullets as an SKS), costs more, has reliable 30 round magazine capability. Others listed cost more than $600 so it will be an investment of cash. Spend what you feel is best.
Ammo for these guns are often military surplus and not too awful in price, but expect to spend at least $300 for a case of 1000 rounds of ammo for these. Possibly more, as ammo prices are increasing rapidly.
Recoil can be noticeable on center-fire rifles, so try to pick a caliber that is .308 or smaller, unless the primary target is large bear. Standard military caliber cartridges are good choices because they are plentiful and cheaper than sporting ammo is.
#4
Pistols
Pistols/handguns are for defense purposes primarily in close-quarters or when concealability is primary. They can be used for close-range hunting, if they had to be. They are not a good substitute for a rifle or a shotgun. Consider it a personal protection for urban carry or for a back-up to your rifle if you need it as a last ditch weapon to save your life. Pistols are "sexy" and people gravitate toward them, but they are generally the least capable form of weapon and the hardest to shoot well.
Probably the best bang for the buck is a Glock 19, which is a 9mm that carries 15 rounds of ammo in the magazine, and costs under $500. If you prefer a larger caliber like 45ACP, that's fine and there are some fine pistols(including Glocks) for that too.
I mention Glock because it is a reliable gun that is rugged, and is pretty inexpensive, and holds alot of rounds in the magazine.
If you're not urban-based and have no need for a concealable weapon, then the handgun can be deleted if the budget for firearms is very limited.
Special Note:
Body Armor
Body armor is available to the public, although you may encounter restrictions in some local areas, or certain stores might not sell it to you if you aren't LEO. But, you can get it, if you look hard enough.
And so can other people, who might intend on attacking you.
So, when considering that you might encounter an attacker wearing body armor, it affects the choices of firearms and calibers.
The "soft" body armor that is lowest cost, and more often seen, is generally rated for pistol calibers up to .44magnum, and will stop small rifle calibers such as .22LR, and also stop shotgun rounds.
You'll need to use a centerfire rifle cartridge to defeat this type of body armor.
The "hard" body armor seen on TV on military soldiers is a ceramic type that repels centerfire cartridges, and is very difficult to penetrate. It is very expensive, hard to obtain, and it is unlikely that you'll encounter anybody wearing it, unless they are military. To defeat it, you will need an unusually large and powerful rifle, such as a .338Lapua, which will cost you an arm-and-a-leg to buy and feed ammo to, and kicks like a mule. So, if you see somebody coming for you that looks like "The Michelin Man", wearing hard ceramic body armor, consider not engaging(and getting away), unless you can shoot the areas not covered by the body armor, from behind a solid cover protection like a dirt berm or something.
Summation:
To sum up, I think to be well-rounded in your firearms collection, it would be a very good idea to have a good pump-action 12ga shotgun with a variety of ammo types for protection, game, and birds, if you only could have one gun in your budget. Remington 870 Express would be a good choice, with replaceable chokes or IC fixed-choke.
The next one to buy would be a Ruger 10/22 .22LR, and a whole lot of ammo and spare magazines for it. You'll at least have a gun of some type that you won't run out of ammo with, to keep you alive.
Third would be a form of center fire rifle in a caliber, type, and price range that you feel comfortable with. An SKS would be my choice if budget was a concern.
Fourth, a handgun as a personal siderarm if you think it is required for your particular needs. Probably best lower cost gun would be a Glock 19 9mm.
In that order.
Spare parts such as springs, pins, firing pins, cleaning supplies, would be good things to have, to keep your firearms running. Get them before the world stops turning.
Oh, and one other thing to add.
Practice, and become familiar and proficient with whatever firearms you buy. Learn to operate it and shoot it well. Learn to maintain and repair it. Buying a gun and putting it in the closet until the day you need to use it to try to save your life is a very bad idea.
If anybody has any particular questions that they'd like covered, just ask them on this thread, and I'll do what I can to answer them.
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Now to stock up on ammo....
And practice more!
Father has a 12 ga., .22LR, and a SKS. I have a 20 ga. and a .22 revolver (needed to be able to use rat shot in it). I'd love to get a pistol, but should probably focus on practicing with what I have first.
Thanks for this post, BigT...
Very good advice - well thought out and well written!
I have to throw out one more reco, though - Springfield XD-40. Great all-around caliber, accurate and reliable, holds 12+1, grip and trigger safety, comes with 2 magazines, tactical holster, tactical 2 mag holster, and a lock - all for under $500... I've been carrying and shooting mine daily for a couple of years - never had a problem. I've carried a lot of pistols, and this one's become my (latest) favorite... My next purchase will be an XD-45.
...and for those who are a little more adventurous ;) - the Magnum Research .45-70 BFR (Biggest, Finest Revolver) with a 10" barrel is a beautiful piece of work, and a hooot to shoot!
Yours in Liberty,
Shovel
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote..." ~ Ben Franklin
"The 'cost of freedom' is risk and responsibility..." ~ Me
Sure, we all
have our individual preferences, and that's perfectly fine.
I carry a 1911 .45 personally.
I just made some suggestions of some guns which would work well, in reasonable price ranges, and the XD is another good choice in that category.
I think as people start to look at what's available, they'll begin to settle-in on what their personal preferences are.
I really just tried to be very basic in my outline.
Thoughts on an UZI
I currently own an AK, 20ga shotgun, 12ga shotgun, 9mm Sig pistol, Remington M70 rifle, but I think I want an UZI as well.
Thoughts?
Also, for those of you with little experience with firearms and not a lot of time to practice, consider putting Crimson Tracers (laser beam) or some other brand. Sure boosts your accuracy.
Good luck!
Collect Ammo, Not Guns
Most of us have limited resources to buy security.
I'd recommend getting as much ammo as possible for the guns you've already got.
There's an old saying: An amateur collects guns. An expert collects ammunition.
It has been REALLY hard for me to resist buying just one more gun, but your guns will be worthless if you don't have a substantial stockpile of ammo to feed them.
Also, an interesting concept I read about in the book "Patriots" is that during a really serious collapse -- where law and order completely breaks down -- ammo could become a form of currency (or "ballistic wampum") due to the fact that everybody always wants real security.
One last point. There's another saying: Beware the man who owns just one gun, he will know how to use it.
That's why I'm focusing more on getting replacement parts (including extra barrels), magazines, tools, and most of all TRAINING! (I'm a fan of Front Sight Firearms Institute, but pick your favorite, there are several very good ones out there.)
joelcusa
that is a terrific point you made.
you would be better off to
you would be better off to purchase a piston upper ar15.. see leitner wise..
highly accurate, cool and clean... www.leitnerwise.com
how far can an uzi actually shoot accuratly? it is a pistol round not a rifle.
if your going to be in combat at pistol range closeness your better off with a high capacity hand gun that is easy to combat reload quickly! my favorite pistol is the para ordnance p16 .40 s&w. the ar15 is used at pistol range out to 500 yards.. I have hit targets with an ar15 out to 725 yards..
firarms are tools and there is always a different tool for each different job you are doing..
Luv my
ar15. not too much kick. Lots of fun to shoot, Good size and weight for a woman or man. Mine's adjustable. Watch out though you can burn up some ammo real quick. 30 round magazine real quick. powpowpowpow. Recommend ear plugs for practicing.
My thoughts on an UZI
Always and only buy a model A never a B. The model A is exactly like the full auto version without the auto seer.
My personal opinion is the UZI is heavy and a bit cumbersome, it is reliable and effective for a 9 mm. But I much prefer a 7.62mm rifle.
First, I am of the opinion
that it's fine to pick whatever you like. It's a personal choice, and different people like different things, and you have the bases covered basically with your other firearms anyway. So I'd say if you want it, then get it!
However, from a strictly performance view, there are some considerations that I'd mention.
Unless you are going to buy a Class 3 Registered Select-Fire Machine Gun Uzi, then it is nothing more than a semi-auto 9mm, for all intents and purposes. It will do whatever your handgun will do, or if it is an Uzi carbine, it will have about 300 fps more velocity than your Sig 9mm handgun.
My point of view is that if you are going to carry a carbine or larger type gun, then I'd prefer a centerfire rifle gun such as an AR15 or your AK.
But, like I said, since your've basically got everything you need already anyway, it just comes down to what you might want, and an Uzi is a pretty cool gun.
best post of the day!
This should be on the front page.
Boston's Gun Bible
This thread is a fantastic summary!
If you want to buy only ONE book that summarizes as many aspects of guns as possible, I recommend "Boston's Gun Bible" -- it's a reference book, so use the information posted by BigT in this thread to help guide you to the pertinent areas within the book.
I've owned this book for several years and I'm always referring to it.
Here are some links to where you could buy the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Bos...
http://www.abebooks.com/s...
Joel Cannon
THANK YOU!!!
Thank you for your post...you insight and opinions on this ever-increasingly important topic. Keep your knowledge flowing, brother! Not all of us here at DP are survivalists or whatever, and I believe we'll need to learn some of those skills pretty soon. So, let the education commence! I have a few weapons in the house, but never use them so I'm not the marksman I was at 17. My wife and I moved to rural mountains last year...I have expressed that I want to start stock-piling ammo and food...she thinks I'm bananas. We don't make enough money to just go out and buy whatever we need...so I'm gonna have to do it in stages as the funds allow.
I currently own a 22LR semi, a 22Magnum lever action Win., and a 12g Mossberg. I need to get going on ammo pile for these. I was thinking of a Bushmaster or something to use as a long-range weapon. If the men in black come to my house, I'd like to be 800 meters away...and real quiet.
Sadly, I'm 48 and I see an Orwellian state of Big Brother in my lifetime.
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BC
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!
Ammo prices are increasing,
and in some calibers supplies are becoming more scarce.
Don't wait too long on the ammo purchases.
Regarding 800 meters away, that can be done with an AR15, but the energy remaining in the bullet at that distance is not much, so effectiveness is reduced.
The proper selection for a range like that would be a good bolt action rifle such as a Remington 700 in .308 caliber, with a good scope of at least 10x magnification. You will need to learn how to range-find and compensate for bullet drop for long distance shooting, as well as wind drift. It is a difficult skill, requiring alot of practice. But, it can be accomplished if you work at it, like most anything else.
This is the one I want...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
A double barrel shotgun and would like a 9mm semi automatic also.
And maybe a crossbow and a catapault...all I have now is a slingshot and some garbanzo beans for ammo
Cool, Liberty Belle!
For our lovely DP ladies, I might make a mention that a 12 gauge shotgun does pack a wallop of recoil, and might be a bit intimidating for learners.
So, If anyone wants to start with a .22LR, and work their way up to being able to handle the recoil of a shotgun, that wouldn't be a bad idea. Or else get several boxes of weak target shells for practice, to get you used to things as you work your way up to heavier loads.
BTW, is that an "assault slingshot" wiith "high capacity of garbanzo beans"?
:^)
Ruger 10/22 is probably the
Ruger 10/22 is probably the best 22 rifle you can buy.
I would also recommend an AK type or an AR 15 for a rifles as well.
I own a Mossberg 12gauge shotgun. I plan to buy a Ruger 10/22.
I would also like to get a AK. Perhaps a 9mm handgun as well.
Here is a great site for learning about guns.
http://www.survivalistboa...
Davy C Rockett
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I would not go for a
I would not go for a 9mm..... If you are going to buy a pistol, next to the 357 mag the .40 Smith and wesson cartridge is the best self defense hand gun cartridge... instead of a glock 19 get a glock 22.
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
If you can only afford one gun
get a shotgun. It was the most common of all guns carried west by the pioneers because it has the most universal usage. Winchester may have been the gun that won the west, but it was the shotgun that put food on the table and also provided self defense.
I have a ruger 10/22
and I recently got an Ak style Saiga 7.62x39. I bought it because I have read in many places that it is quite possibly the most durable and reliable platform ever built. They say you can submerge this thing in swamp water for 3 days and pull it out and run 1000 round through it without a jam. It is known to be less accurate than other rifles, but some AK styles are built much better and get better results. No matter what, you can hit a decent sized target at 200 yards. I took it to the range and it is alot of fun. It kicks hard, but not too hard, it was as loud as the guy's 30 06 who was next to me and at 100 yds was shooting very accurately through unadjusted iron sights. I just found out about a law though called 922r compliance. My Saiga is legal until I put a 30 round clip in it. Then 922r compliance says that it must contain a certain number of Americans parts, so the trigger and a few other parts must be swapped to make it compliant. I want to use 30 rd clips so it looks like I will be learning gun smithing now along with monetary policy.
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."
The 10/22 can be more potent
The 10/22 can be more potent than many realize- in fact Israel has used it for a sniper rifle and ended up categorizing it as "more lethal" than originally thought. See: http://www.ruger1022.com/...